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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 3, 2008, 1:07 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Dr. Phil, I disrespect you for bringing religion into psychology. Having the minister as a guest for his opinion, fine, but as a ‘helper’..? As well, Dr. Wallace’s opinion that a 14-year-old’s brain is not developed enough to have sex is his medical opinion – not gospel, so to speak. We all know that a 14-year-old’s brain is not as developed and that they are overwhelmed with the hormones from their bodies telling them to mate – as one mother pointed out. As for ‘controlling’ teenagers ... control? Most parents have no idea what their kids are doing. There is no such thing as control, never mind over hormonal teenagers who have their own lives to live. Is abstinence worth while encouraging? Of course. Enforcing through fear? Of course not. What’s important here is information, encouraging kids to discuss it – with experts, parents and each other – and giving them honest support rather than deceiving, intimidating or attempting (and failing) to control them.

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:08 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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Sex education needs to start at home with the parents.  It's time for the parents to take responsibilty for their children.  Parents need to be proactive in their kids lifes.  I think schools should require kids to take a sex ed class.  I do not see a problem with handing out birth control either.  Sex ed in schools....that is for the kids with deadbeat parents by the way.    I do not agree with kids getting maturnity leave. Its like telling your child its ok that you got pregnant, a slap on the wrist.  If you don't have time to talk to your kids.......make time.           
Thank you, yes...it is ideal for parents to teach this stuff....unfortunately many kids have parents that don't give a damn.

As for not giving a teen mother maternity leave? Why the hell not? It's a little late for lectures...and her CHILD and SOCIETY will benefit from her further education. Stripping education as a punishment is really a bad bad idea.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:09 pm PST

What about self respect?

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       When I was in school, we did not have sex education.  We had something better.  One day an obstetrician, a doctor who specializes in childbirth, gave us a lecture and answered the questions we had the nerve to ask him in a co-ed setting.

       He told us that there are times in our lives when we need a professional.  For this reason, I do not believe that schools have any business practicing medicine.  A 13-year-old girl has a big problem when she is pregnant.  I remember the doctor explaining that young girls have a difficult time carrying a pregnancy to term.  "The worst thing that can happen is not having a baby, it is suddenly not having a baby."  One of the boys asked him for further clarification.  And, we all learned that the miscarriage rate is much higher for girls under 16. 

     I personally knew a 13-year-old who discovered she was pregnant.  Her "boyfriend" told her to wait before she told her parents.  And, two months later, she had a miscarriage.  She was relieved, and happy.  She thought she had been unbelievably lucky.

    Two weeks later, she developed a raging fever--over 105 degrees.  The emergency room doctor asked her if she wanted to live.  "Then, tell me the truth:  Have you been pregnant?"  It was all she could do to force herself to nod yes.  And then he went into the waiting room, explaining to her mortified parents that either they would agree to an emergency hysterectomy, or he would be forced to obtain a court order.  (Their daughter would be dead by morning without the operation)

   No parents should have to face something like this.  It is almost cruel.

   Her "boyfriend?"  He was her 37-year-old married uncle, and their "affair" had been going on since she was five.

    

Why can't schools teach about self-respect, about treating others well, about how to have expectations of others in a healthy way. I totally understand that there are kids who don't have parents that they can talk to sex about and for those people, I think we should provide a number of outlets for discussion and information but the value judgement is one that each person has to make for themselves really needs to be based on the values the family holds.

For the mother who is letting her 14 year old daughter have sex with her 16 year old boyfriend - you are really doing her a dis-service long term. You have sent her down a road where she is ill equipped to deal with the consequences of her decisions. Ten, fifteen, twenty years from now, she will look back and wish you had been less permissive and taught her about how to be a self-respecting woman.


 
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March 3, 2008, 1:10 pm PST

A Teenager's View.

I am a sixteen year old , female, sophomore at high school and I am sexually active. I have only been so for 8 or 9 months now, and when I first started, I was confused. I didn't know what to do, what was going on, what the best things to prevent certain things would be. When I was younger, I didn't even know how to put a tampon in. I've experienced tons of Health Classes since the 6th grade and still didn't know that you couldn't get pregnant from digesting sperm. Health Classes in the United States are bad enough that we don't know what to do and how to prevent things. I have made a mistake in my life (not pregnancy, no) because I didn't know all the information. Thankfully, my mother is a nurse and whenever I need to know something, I have somebody I can go to. Many children can't. I am fully against TEACHING abstinence. I read an article in Seventeen Magazine about a high school that had one of the highest teen pregnancy rates and guess what. They tought abstinence. Only problem? They didn't teach their kids ANYTHING about sex. They didn't know about condoms, they didn't know about spermicide, they didn't know how to prevent anything. Sex has been going on since the dawn of time. How do you think we all got here? It's a natural part of life that you can't try to hide from your children. Be open with your kids and let them know all the facts. I didn't have to be sexually active; I could have chosen to stay in the clear. My parents scared me with the Maury Show, so I am proud to say that I am still a virgin. I love my boyfriend as much as I can right now and you may say that I'm too young, but who are you to tell me what I feel and what I don't? If I have never done anything with any of my other 10 exes, what made me do it now? Peer pressure? From who. Nobody in my school knows because I've always been against sex at a young age. I think me being almost 16 when I first had my sexual anything is pretty damn good. You may not think so, but I do. As a teen, I wish I didn't have to always go to my parents to ask them certain questions. I have only had one Health teacher who would teach us everything we asked and I only had her for one semester. I still have to ask her sex questions because I still don't know everything. Has anyone even touched Anal Sex in their Health Class? I doubt it; if us kids knew how positively deadly that is, we wouldn't think it was so much safer than regular sex. Yes, it's true. Tons of kids think that anal is better than vaginal because you can't get pregnant that way when, in reality, you can. (If the spermies slip down into your vag' and then you get fingered or the body poundin' agaisnt ya, then yes, you can get preggers).

 

I know a lot of people are going to throw the whole Christianity bull at me and I'm going to tell you now, don't bother. God knows that kids are having sex and if you can't stop them, then tell them everything so they'll stop spreading AIDS or any disease that sometimes have no symptoms. Please don't throw religion into this because I don't believe in religion. Yeah, I think something is probably out there but I don't believe in the Bible because people have completely turned it into a giant ridiculous thing. Don't get me started on it, I won't stop.

 

So there's what I think, a normal, happy, 16-year-old girl who is in high school and plans on going to college. I plan on staying a virgin until I'm 18-years-old at the least. Thanks.

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:15 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

I am a young mother living in Canada. I believe that sex-education should be taught and birth control handed out. I believe that knowledge is power and by giving teens all the information about sex, pregnancy and STD's, we give them the power to make educated decisions. Parents need to become more involved in their children's lives. My parents and I never had the sex talk. My school had a sex-ed class but it didn't teach us about being sexually active. It taught us about puberty. I think that if teenagers, including myself, had more knowledge about being sexually active there wouldn't be so many teen pregnancies and we could lower the rate of STD's.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:15 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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  Children should not be encouraged to have sex,period!  Having condoms and contraceptives available to teens because it gives them the allowance to have sex and think it's ok to have sex just because they have condoms! Just wait! You will not die because you are not having sex. America today has lowered its standards and everyday it lowers exponentialy. Soon there would be no standards to go by and that is not good at all.

     It's sad to watch a 14 year old saying that she became sexually active at 13. Just because she's using condoms doesnt make it alright at all!  Even though she is mature,she shouldnt be having sex. I'm dissapointed with her mother. She is only 13 and disgusting. Yes,13 year olds in my country r married and it's their custom. But they are married,not single.

    I dint have sex until I was 21. And that was a year ago... I wasnt taught sex ed. in secondary school and that didnt make me ignorant about sex. I know what sex is  and what sex is for... Not one day did I decide to have sex because I knew the consequences...Abstinence people!!

   

 

   

Studies say you are wrong. Kids who learn abstinence only do not remain virgins anymore than those who do not learn abstinence only...AND they are 1/3 more likely to have UNPROTECTED SEX.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:15 pm PST

sex and condoms

Just so you know you can still get pregnant with a condom.  I was 24, and my husband and I were almost ready to start a family--almost.  We both have college degrees and know how to use condom correctly.  Used condoms %100 of the time.  However, we ended up having a baby.  So, don't bank on the condom!!!  Love my baby girl, glad that we both had good jobs and were able to support this little surprise.   Abstinence is the only way to not contract STDs and to not get pregnant.  You have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life!!
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:15 pm PST

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Quote From: montescm

Sex education needs to start at home with the parents.  It's time for the parents to take responsibilty for their children.  Parents need to be proactive in their kids lifes.  I think schools should require kids to take a sex ed class.  I do not see a problem with handing out birth control either.  Sex ed in schools....that is for the kids with deadbeat parents by the way.    I do not agree with kids getting maturnity leave. Its like telling your child its ok that you got pregnant, a slap on the wrist.  If you don't have time to talk to your kids.......make time.           

While I agree that sex ed should start at home with parents, I do not think every parent knows how to go about having that conversation which is why they rely on schools... that does not make them "deadbeats." 

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:16 pm PST

Teens and Sex

Im 23 years old and I can remember starting to have sex at a young age. I was raised very strongly in the church, and not educated on sex by my parents. I was not allowed to recive sex education at school due to my religon. Somehow, I still fell into the trap of teen sex. I belive that education would have been better than what I had. I obviously didn't do good without knowing about protection, teen pregnacy, and STI's. I never got the chance to make a relevant, educated decison.  Since the beggining of time, teens have had sex. I do not condone it. I know people that have waited, and they are strong in their beliefs why. I have not and now feel that if I had recived education it would have at least been a decison made knowing what I was getting into. I am thankful that I did not have a teen pregnacy or contract a disease, but now feel "icky" thinking about all the bad sexual decisons I made. Bottom line, its going to happen with some people, so at least educate their decsion. I was not educated so you cannot blame my decison on the school "condoning sex".

PS. Hopefully Ed never gets another job teaching abstinance. Teaching about abstanance is fine, but that man is too far gone!

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:16 pm PST

info ignored --even when made available

The daughter of a former Planned Parenthood employee is now the mother of a son ..pregnant on  high school graduation day .  A beautiful 20 year old has herpes cause her boyfriend didn't wear a condom.  The sores were visible....she had sex  with him anyway.  These ladies had the information  and full access to protection but were emotionally unable to say "no."  Their need for emotional 'connection' overode their reasoning. and logic.

 

 

Bishop Jakes is absolutely right...parents have the most important role to guide their teens and their failure resulted in the  sad, negative and permanent consequences of premature sex.

 

 
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