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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 3, 2008, 1:16 pm PST

Lets talk about sex

We have talked to our 15 year old about issues facing teens since she was a very young child.  We got all the books and used the age appropriate resources that were available.  We had told her about the fact that as a young child (and our bodies are not ready until we are in our late teens) that boys would only use you, and that love is more then a physical relationship.  We had explained that while sex was wonderful and felt good that our body wasn't ready nor were our emotions.

 

Then our child met a boy that started to pressure her.  He used all the cliched lines about love and blah blah blah, and then our child gave in.  She was convinced by this boy that this was going to be forever and they were going to get married.  The boys mother allowed them to have sex in her home and even though she was telling us that it wasn't happening they had went from 0-100 in a matter of a couple of weeks.  Then the inevitable happened, they broke up.  And this boy passed her along to a friend and she was again pressured into a sexual relationship.  She was 13 years old.  Then she started using drugs and her behaviour changed completely.  We were in our own fairy world and took her word that nothing was going on.

 

The girls her age shunned her and the boys started to chase her.  She had a horrible reputation and was getting into fights.  We had no idea that she was having a lot of sex until she ran away and we found out on a website that she thought she was pregnant.  That was the day we took her to have a pregnancy test and got her on birth control.  Now 2 years later she has had percancerous cells removed and will have to have a pap smear every 3 months for the next 3 years.  The "abstinence" talk would do nothing because she was swearing that she wasnt having sex until she thought she was pregnant.  All of her friends have either had an abortion or a baby and this does not scare them.  They want a baby that will love them and they can look after.  We offered her a kitten instead.  While most teens do not have sex until they are older, with the images these kids face daily and the pressure of friends and boys, more and more are racing into relationships they arent ready for.

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:17 pm PST

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What I am saying is real. You are the one living in fantasyland. Condoms aren't safe. They leak, break and slip off. Neither you nor anyone else can predict when one of these things will happen, but happen they will. That's real.

 

Birth contol fails, does not prevent STD's, and is unhealthy. You cannot put chemicals in your body without consequences. That's real.

 

I know teens who do listen to their parents. So you're wrong about this. That's real.

 

If teens already know about sex then why have sex-ed teachers push their immoral lies on the students about condoms and birth control and sex outside of marriage? Telling students sex is safe with condoms and birth control is a lie. That's real.

 

Sexually immoral behavior is destructive to the individuals and to society in general. Almost always fathersless children end up being raised in poverty by mothers who are little more than a child themselves. That's real.

 

Then they expect the government to step in and pay for the all the child's necessities in life. Guess what? Government must take money from working people who are trying to pay for the needs of their own children to pay for these things. That punishes families because they have to survive with less income because people practice irresponsible and immoral sex. That's real.

 

People need to be held responsible for their actions. If you want to engage is sex then buy your own condoms and birth control. It is not my responsibility to pay for it. That's real.

 

Don't force me to have my children indoctrinated in your immoral and irrational beliefs as I do not accept them. That's real.

 

Do not force me to pay for the food, clothing, housing, medical care, etc., of your fatherless children or because your sexual immorality partner is a deadbeat sperm donor. It's not my responsibility. That's real.

 

When you and others like you choose to have irresponsible, immoral sex the conseqences are your responsibility...not mine or anyone elses That's real.

 

Your admission that you are scared to tell your parents points out another negative about teens having sex. There are enormous emotional issues that will result from teens having sex. Parents are devastated when they find out. The very act of rebellion itself tears families apart. Trust is gone. Teens who engage in sex are not open with their parents because they know it is wrong. Then they try to excuse themselves by blaming their parents. The teenager's bad behavior causes the lack of communication and parental anger. These things are the result of the teenagers immoral behavior and their guilty conscience...not because their parents don't love them or won't  listen. So don't try to blame it on them. I'm sick and tired of parents getting a bad rap by society becasue their children rebelled against their authority. Teens who choose to rebel against their parent's teachings are solely to blame for their actions and the resultant consequences. That's real.

 

Parents are devastated, and rightly so, when their children rebel and choose to have immoral sex before they are married and ready to assume responsibility for their lives and the lives of their children. They know the devastating consequences of sexual immorality so they have good reason to be angry and upset. That's real.

 

Most parents want their children to grow up to be moral, civilized, and productive citizens. Teenage sex, in most cases, produces the exact opposite. Teenage sex proves the child is immoral and rebellious. And most who practice teenage sex are almost wholly dependent on society to raise and nurture their children. That's real.

 

It's not surprising that you're scared to tell your parents about having sex (this proves to me they told you not to do it), but it still shouldn't stop you from telling them because most likely it is your parents who will pay for all the expenses of children you conceive as a result of your immoral choices. Not to mention they will probably end up paying all your health bills if and when you contract a disease. And it the disease is deadly, they will most likely pay for your funeral. That's real.

 

I am not the one who needs to get real...you do. That's real.

 

My reason for righting this is because alot of parent on here seem totally oblivious to the fact that alot of teens have sex regardless of what people tell them. First of all i agree with you that condoms are not completely safe. Trust me I know about std's and pregnancies both my sisters got pregnant before 16 because of  condoms breaking. I also agree that abstinence is the best choice BUT some teens ( not all ) are just going to have sex no matter what you tell them! its better to be protected than not. Oh and i also agree that it is immoral to have sex before marriage( thats why i said it was a mistake) but it happens. I also know that rebellion tears families apart.. i don't deny that abstinence is the best option but thats not always reality!  The most important thing that a parent can do is be there for there child no matter what and not preach to them all the time about how bad sex is because then if they do have sex they can actually  come talk to you instead of being scared that you will make them feel more ashamed than they might already feel.
 
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As a sixteen year old, I obviously know all about the conflicts that the US is having with teen pregnancy and sex at too early of an age. It IS a big problem, whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Hell, just this week there was chaos at my school when a girl in my grade (sixteen years old) made a sex tape with her boyfriend BEHIND THE SCHOOL STAIRCASE. Then the tape was sent throughout the school via cellphones and youtube.

 

Honestly? I don't think that teens are smart enough to have sex while fully understanding what the are doing. I'm a virgin and plan to remain that way until I found someone truly love when I'm out of highschool. I'm not religious or something, and I didn't have abstinence drilled into me since I was young. I was simply taught not to have sex, and that was the extent of it. However, I have enough self-worth and self-respect that I know I shouldn't give into peer pressure.

 

I think that's the problem. The girls don't have any self-worth. They think that it's normal to have to do these things, and that they should since others are doing it. It's ridiculous, in my opinion. They should have more respect for themselves than to do something that they can't even fully comprehend at their age.

 

I apologize for typos, this website makes my keyboard skip for some reason.

I'm also 16 and I agree with you to some extent about the girls that have sex to just get attention/feel pressured, the girl at your school sounds like a slllllluuutttt. but i mean i'm sexually active too but my bf and i have been going out for 2 years and no one at our school even knows that we have sex (imean beside like my best friens). we waited a year before we had sex and talked about it ALOT before we did. we decided together and it had nothing to do with him pressuring me or my friends pressuring me either, honestly none of my friends had had sex then. it took MORE respect for my body to have sex, he makes me feel comfortable in my skin and i honestly feel so much better about myself when we have sex.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:18 pm PST

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Your morals are not the only morals on the planet. I do not think that premarital sex is immoral.
I don't think that giving birth control out to teenagers is telling them that its ok to have sex. If someone has decided they are going to have sex then that's what they are going to do. We should give them birth control so that if they do make the choice to have sex, then they will atleast be protecting themselves.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:19 pm PST

no no no

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Dr. Phil had on a girl who was a 15 and pregnant, and in part she blamed her mother for not talking to her about sex. Kids need sex ed so they aren't getting information off the street. Not all teens are having sex, but lets face it many of them are. Who is this guy talking about how you can die if you have sex? Ok, whatever. These people are just getting on my nerves. They just preach and on some level it is a religous stand point.

My Mother did not teach me about sex and I dint run off to have sex  just because I wasnt taught! thats not an excuse to have sex!  Yes,many teens are having sex. They do because they want to,they know what the consequenses are (unless they are blind,deaf,dumb and/or illiterate).  So kids shouldnt blame their mothers. Although parents should talk to their children about this.

 Note that I'm not trying to preach here but you will not die if you have sex. But you will go to to hell if you do fornicate and/or adulterate.

with that said,I think it goes back to peer presure. If you have are strng willed and you will not fall into peer pressure but if you decide to have sex at 13 because your bf of 16 wants to  then you are stupid(sorry for being harsh here) because if he really does love you,he wouldnt be asking you to do it. On the other hand,if you decide on your own to do it,then you should accept all the concequences that goes with it. And do not blame anyone else if you get preggers or something.

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:19 pm PST

same standards for all

The first thing that needs to be done is dropping the double standards that seem to haunt girls.  It is NOT OK for a boy to "sow his wild oats" while a girl remains a virgin until she marries.  BOTH need to be more modest and conservative with their bodies, and treat them as though it is the only body they will have because it IS.  When children begin asking about sex, the parent(s) must be honest and up front describing sex in an age appropriate way.  Children look to parents for all of their needs including delicate questions about sex.  If a parent is too embarrassed to educate their own children, then they must get the information from SOMEWHERE.  At least the school would teach them the proper way so as not to confuse them as they would be if they asked their friends.  Both of my Godchildren have come to me to ask me about sex, and I answered their questions honestly, and age appropriately.  Some parents reading this I am sure are shocked that I did not tell my Godchildren to go to their parents-I did and the children wanted ME to tell them because they knew I would not give them a line or blow it off.

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:19 pm PST

Coming from a teen mom

I get so tired of hearing people say that teens w/ kids do not raise their children or will be on welfare and/or government assistance.  Who are they to cast judgment on others? 

 

I was a teen mom.  I had my child when I was a senior in high school. The father was in his first year of college.  We met in high school and started dating.  When I got pregnant, I had no support from my school.  Actually the only support we did have was our family.  Anyway, the father and I married after our child was 9 months old.  We went to college, stayed in married housing, and raised our child together.  There were times when we needed childcare, and our parents provided it.  However, they were paid for it.  They did not raise our child, we did. 

 

My husband and I have now been married for 13 years.  I have a Master's Degree and my husband is a physician.  We made it w/ the support God, our families, each other, and student loans.  There was a time that our kids received a medical card, but no other welfare was received.  We either worked while going to school or took out student loans to help us make it through.  The assistance that we may have used from the medical card will most likely be paid back through our taxes this year.  W e did not take advantage of this.  We only had it and used it when ultimately necessary. 

 

So, not EVERY teen w/ a baby ends up on permanent welfare or having their parents raise the child.  People need to stop making these acquisitions.  Being a teen mom who has overcome this obstacle still gets very upset when people come down on teen parents.  What they need is support.  What's done is done and everyone needs to make the best out of it. 

 
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March 3, 2008, 1:19 pm PST

Yup.

Quote From: verisimilitude

As a sixteen year old, I obviously know all about the conflicts that the US is having with teen pregnancy and sex at too early of an age. It IS a big problem, whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Hell, just this week there was chaos at my school when a girl in my grade (sixteen years old) made a sex tape with her boyfriend BEHIND THE SCHOOL STAIRCASE. Then the tape was sent throughout the school via cellphones and youtube.

 

Honestly? I don't think that teens are smart enough to have sex while fully understanding what the are doing. I'm a virgin and plan to remain that way until I found someone truly love when I'm out of highschool. I'm not religious or something, and I didn't have abstinence drilled into me since I was young. I was simply taught not to have sex, and that was the extent of it. However, I have enough self-worth and self-respect that I know I shouldn't give into peer pressure.

 

I think that's the problem. The girls don't have any self-worth. They think that it's normal to have to do these things, and that they should since others are doing it. It's ridiculous, in my opinion. They should have more respect for themselves than to do something that they can't even fully comprehend at their age.

 

I apologize for typos, this website makes my keyboard skip for some reason.

As a fellow 16-year-old high school virgin, I agree with everything you say. I just think that our Sex-Ed classes should actually be SEX-ED classes. We need to know exactly what we're getting ourselves into before we start getting into it. They should be teaching us everything about sex when we're 12 or 13 years old; I know people who lost their virginity at TEN. Yes, ten years old. It's scary to realize this people; a motiviational speaker came to my school and asked everyone (9-12 graders) if they knew somebody who had sex while their parents were in the other room. THE OTHER ROOM. Everyone rose their hand. Every single person in my school knew somebody who had sex while their parents were practically right there. I myself know a few people. We need to be taught this stuff and hell, if your kids are open with you about what they're doing, then let them do it! Keeping us from doing things just makes us want it more. My parents know about the oral sex I have and I let them know what goes on because I want them to trust me and I want to know that if anything bad happens, they're going to be there.

 

As kids, we need to be taught everything there is to sex and it's consequences. Don't hold back; give us the NC-17 rated talk because we need ALL the details. We may be kids but we sure as hell don't act like it anymore.

 

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March 3, 2008, 1:20 pm PST

Teens

 I successfully raised two daughters, who are now young adults.  Neither one of them had sex until after they graduated high school.  Why?  Because I talked to them (not preach), watch them 24/7 and didn't let them date until after they were 16 and driving.  I talked about sex with them, when they started asking (about 6th grade).  They are both still single, one graduated college and the other Tech School.  They both hated me at the time but thank me now for not giving up on them.  You need to be a parent when their teens and a friend when they become adults.  Todays show really upset me.  I do think they need sex education in the schools, BUT DON'T PASS OUT CONDUMS WITHOUT THE PARENTS PERMISSION OR APPROVAL.  I do think they need time off of school after having a baby but 6 weeks is a little long.   The 14 year old that is having sex is just wrong.  That mother has no control over her daughter, so she just gave into her.  I would not let my 14 year old date.  Why is the parents today giving all their control over to the schools and other people.  Be a parent and take charge of your kids lives.  So many parents give up as soon as their kids become teenagers.  I guess it's because they lose control and get tired of fighting with them.  That's why America is going to _ell in a hen basket. 
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:22 pm PST

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  He was not her boyfriend and that was not an affair.  Her unckle would be a childmolester not a boy friend and it would be rape not an affair. . .
Thank you very much, that story was about child abuse, rape and molestation, NOT about normal teen sexual urges and romantic relations.
 
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