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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 3, 2008, 5:48 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

WHEN are people going to be held accountable for their actions? All actions have consequences.

Bad behavior should not be rewarded.  Kids are making their own rules as they go along and have no guidance, essentially learning from each other instead of being taught what is proper and acceptable.  Adults have been remiss in teaching, advising, and leading.

 

What message is being sent to the kids who ARE trying to follow the rules, do the right thing, become respectable young adults?!  WHERE IS THEIR REWARD?   They aren't getting the help THEY need to continue on their path, and they will eventually give in to the acceptance that it's okay to be loose. 

 

When the acceptance stops, the attitudes will change.  When the supervision and guidance is returned to the school system AND the free time at home, there won't be a window of opportunity for kids to misbehave.  They are bored, so sex has become an extracurricular activity!

Replace the acceptance of immorality with intolerance and then provide a better way for them to spend their time.  The issue of passing out condoms in the school won't continue to be an issue. 

 

 
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March 3, 2008, 5:52 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

I get really bored of this idea that some how once you get married you are saved from all the hurts that sex can cause. Or that sex has no negative consequences.

That is really untrue.

Just because people are married it doesn't mean they SHOULD be having sex or making babies.  It doesn't mean they will always be a perfect family unit. It doesn't mean that sex will never be bad, or that sex will never have bad consequences. It also doesn't mean that sex is a free for all.
 

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March 3, 2008, 5:53 pm PST

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I am FUMING mad about some of the opinions I heard on today's show.  While I do agree that it is the parents' responsibility to educate their children about sex, I think that Bishop Jakes is making a HUGE assumption that all or even most parents have the time, energy, and willingness to do so.  Also, because I am a social worker by trade, I have seen  hundreds of parents who are abusive and neglectful of their children.  What are those children supposed to do?  Where should those children turn?  Although it is sad but true, there are many children for whom school is the only source for which to turn.  Look at how many children have to attend school just to guarantee one or two meals a day.  If kids can't get fed at home, what makes Bishop Jakes or anyone else think that they can get the information necessary to practice abstinence in that same home?

I grew up in a Roman Catholic family and sex was not only not discussed period, it was also not even a remote possibility to get any form of birth control.  I also attended and graduated from Catholic school, where abstinence was the only option in the schools' view as well as a majority of the parents.  I also know that quite a few of the student body was sexually active and had no means of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies or STDs.  This left almost all of the sexually active students defenseless against life-changing consequences.

For my internship as a social worker, I worked at an agency that focused on parental education, specifically at the adolescent parenting program.  Out of dozens of teenage girls that I worked with, I can only remember two that came from a two-parent home.  Most of the girls came from single parent, low-income homes.  Many of the girls' parent(s) were working multiple jobs to provide for their families.  Unfortunately, this left several girls to raise themselves and some to parent their younger siblings.  I feel that these students shouldn't be left without information or contraceptives when they have no say in whether or not their relationship with the parental figure allows for discussions about sex or birth control.

While I was frustrated with the idea that the schools should not be allowed to educate and/or provide birth control, I was FURIOUS with Shelly, the parent who believes that high school mothers should not be allowed maternity leave.  This is so ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it.  First of all, the statistics prove that most mothers who fall into the low-income category and/or receive public assistance have never finished high school or received their GED.  The best way to insure that these mothers become successful is to make sure that they graduate. 

Secondly, Shelly clearly shows that she has a VERY limited knowledge of the workings of public assistance.  If she thinks that these teenage girls possess the knowledge to apply for and receive housing, food stamps, Medicaid, and financial assistance, she's living in a dream world.  If she thinks that ANY of these benefits can be processed quickly, she's clearly never known anyone who has tried.  Nothing in the social services system is expedient or provides for such a surplus that those receiving benefits to not want more for themselves.

Shelly also said that teenagers' bodies are more resilient.  What about those girls' who have had C-sections?  What amount of time should those girls be allowed to have?  What about those who have stitches?  At what age do you stop becoming resilient?

One thing that was not brought up but is immenently important was child care for the girs' babies.  Most day cares won't take a baby under six weeks old.  What should those mothers do?  We had a terrible predicament with some of the schools in North Carolina, as most of the schools did not provide ANY leave at all.  The girls were allowed to miss 10 days of school through the whole school year, period.  If you missed more than that, you failed the year.  This left our girls in a terrible predicament.  Shelly stated that the grandparents were going to raise the babies anyway.  This is not necessarily true.  Only one or two of these girls had a parent, grandparent, or guardian who stayed at home during the day and could watch the newborn babies until they were able to go to daycare.  The other girls that had not received special consideration from the school had to choose to stay home with their child and fail the school year or endanger the baby by making unsafe choices.  Adult mothers are protected from this by the FMLA.  Why should teenagers not be provided the same protection?  I would think that the government would provide more protection for teenagers, but sadly, they receive less.

I am sorry that Shelly had to return to work only two weeks after having her baby, but I don't think that it is fair or even reasonable of her to assume that everyone should conform to her experience.  She thinks that maternity leave is all about the mothers, when in reality it is more about the babies.  I'm not fighting for the rights of teen mothers soley for the benefit of the mothers, but also and more importantly for the rights of the newborn babies.  They didn't ask to be born, let alone to a teenage mother.  These babies deserve to have all of the rights that babies born to adult mothers receive.  If people want to break the cycle of poverty, then the first step is to allow the mothers a reasonable amount of time to recover from the birth and to graduate high school.  The second step is to give those babies a running start in what is going to be a more difficult life than those babies born to adult mothers.

Wake up Shelly.  The next time you appear on national television, you might want to do your homework first.

To Bishop Jakes, I would try to keep in mind that however wrong it is, some families depend on the schools to help raise their children. 

I grew up and am still practicing Roman Cathollic . The church has changed and  does talk about sex and 20years ago when I confessed to my priest about losing my virginity I was not condemmed to  hell.
He asked if I loved the boy. Talked with me about love, some about abstinence and then asked if I used a condom. I asked why he asked that if it is against our doctrine and he stated that "in this day and age, the reality is you are going to do what you will, but I would hate to see you suffer from teen pregancy or die from AIDS."
He also talked with me about doing research, and why our doctrine states God wants us to wait. There was no judgement made. When I got pregnant at 19 and gave birth 1 mo before my 20th birthday, my mom (avid Roman Catholic, actually was baptized Bizitine Catholic which is much more traditional) she told me I did not have to get married, even on my wedding day. None of my Catholic or Mormon side of family expressed that I had to get married, never referred to my child as a "bastard" i
it just bothers me when people portray a specific religion in such a bad light.
Also if the "system" ensured better foster care and educated the foster parent that these kids have problems, if not symply as a result fo their life, they might be more patient and not 7 day them so fast at the first sign of trouble. At least in LA coutny in CA they decline to educate the fo parents of this fact. I know this because I am a therapist in the state of CA and i work with all Medi-Cal clients.
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:53 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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You're right on. Just what we've been trying to tell you. But you just don't get it.

Yes, we do experience love making all the time. You are so missing out!

Get it??

I am the mother of 4 children ranging in age from 23 to 16.  I myself was a teenage mother.  My son was born when I was 16 and my husband (his father) was only 18.  Don't get me wrong I love my family with all of my heart but things were just so hard.  Teenagers are going to experiment with many things including and not limited to sex.  We have always talked to our children about sex openly and this started as soon as they started asking the small questions in kindergarden and we have found that because of this the communication between us as parent and the children has been very good.  My husband and I always knew we wanted our children to know more and be comfortable coming to us about anything.
What I do know is that not all children have parents that can speak to them about uncomfortable subjects such as sex and these are the kids that usually need to know.  I was one of these teens.  Someone who can be informitive. letting them know the pit falls to teenage sex as well as how to protect themselves if this is something they choose to do.  
I have found after raising my children, as well as there friends coming in and out of our home, that teens  want to  talk  about  this  with  someone  they  trust .  In an ideal world that would be a parent but that is not the world our teens live in so our schools and/or other responsible adults are left holding the bag in order to protect our teens from themselves. 
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:53 pm PST

Parents Teach Kids How to Be Parents!!

       You can tell you child everything there is to know about sex, STD's, and teenage parents. Kids make thier own choices! But if those choices land them in maternity clothes at 16 you better hope you have shown them what being a parent is all about. At seventeen when I had my son I took care of him I supported him, I raised him to be a very smart well behaved boy!!!!! My mother DID NOT raise him. She did her best to show me how to raise my own child. Preach all you want to kids about sex but its how you raise them FROM DAY ONE that will decide what kind of parent they are at 15 or 51!!!
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:54 pm PST

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I'm from Canada and have never heard of such a thing. Where are you from? They may have them in major cities, but in smaller ones, such as where I am, there is hardly any pregnancy at all and there is certainly not a school full of teens with that problem.
 Yes, "actress for life", you're right.  I should have clarified my comments.  I am from a major Canadian (prairie) city & smaller communities do not have the same resources.  I should also have stated that these "special high schools" are very small - usually only one or, at most, two classrooms (held in a building usually used by some form of social service activities).  The general community rate of adolescent pregnancy is very low - as in your community - but for those that do become pregnant, this support is there.
 

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I completely understand the meaning of this broadcast but I have several questions.  However, where is the education in rape?  Many young girls grow up understanding the meaning and necessity of birth control.  I was by far one of those girls.  I, myself, waited until I was out of high school to have sex.  My brother got his girlfriend pregnant and I was always scared I would end up like them, though they are now happy and successul and caring for their children like one could only wish.  However, when I reached college and in a relationship with a young man since I was 14, I was suddenly raped.  I felt suddenly that everything I was ever taught was wrong and that men only wanted sex.  It completely changed all of my future relationships - and then I found out my boyfriend of 7 years cheated on me because I wasn't having sex with him enough .  When I was younger, I was never taught the consequences of all these psychological influences.  It's sad that my life wouldn't have been so careless after all had I been warned about the psychological issues that accompanied sex - not only that sex causes pregnancy or STDs.  I thought he and I would be together forever but I was sadly wrong.  It's important for teens to know though, that even if you are abstinent, doesn't mean  you are safe from all forms of sex.  Children need to  be warned not to trust too much.  Your closest friend, and even a stranger, can change you and change you forever in the eyes of "sex".
I think part of sex ed is not only adding in abstinence as an option but also the  psychology of it all.
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:57 pm PST

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WHEN are people going to be held accountable for their actions? All actions have consequences.

Bad behavior should not be rewarded.  Kids are making their own rules as they go along and have no guidance, essentially learning from each other instead of being taught what is proper and acceptable.  Adults have been remiss in teaching, advising, and leading.

 

What message is being sent to the kids who ARE trying to follow the rules, do the right thing, become respectable young adults?!  WHERE IS THEIR REWARD?   They aren't getting the help THEY need to continue on their path, and they will eventually give in to the acceptance that it's okay to be loose. 

 

When the acceptance stops, the attitudes will change.  When the supervision and guidance is returned to the school system AND the free time at home, there won't be a window of opportunity for kids to misbehave.  They are bored, so sex has become an extracurricular activity!

Replace the acceptance of immorality with intolerance and then provide a better way for them to spend their time.  The issue of passing out condoms in the school won't continue to be an issue. 

 

I would say the reward for following the "rules"...(I assume you mean not having sex until married)...would be that they don't get pregnant or ill. Isn't that the reward?

There is nothing anyone can do that will stop teens from having sex. NOTHING. They might as well have easy access to condoms and they might as well KNOW how to use them.
 
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March 3, 2008, 6:00 pm PST

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The 14 yr old girl acting all grown up about her "choice" to be sexually active and her mother proud that she got to be put in the loop. That whole three month waiting period wow a mama should be proud. I say to the mother your daughter should be able to do the other grown up responsibilities such as working, paying rent, buying groceries, paying for her own birth control, driving a car...Oh wait a minute she is not old enough to drive a car or work, but she is old enough to trust her mind and body and have sex.  I was a teenage mom at the grown up age of 14, started having sex at 12.  I had my daughter August 31, 1974 and trust me there was no conversation about maternity leave or support from the school, as a matter a fact I was almost expelled.  So I started my freshman year 2 weeks after giving birth. I ended up dropping out in my senior year just shy 5 mo to graduate.  I was on my own and the load was just to heavy.  Anyway I just feel so strong about parents being there kids friends and not being there parents. Not willing to risk there kids hating them to save them from making life altering choices. These kids think that information is what educates you, but it is not just information alone it's experience that teaches and we as parents have that.  Parents need to take back there power to parent. My daughter didn't wait till marriage but she did wait until college to have sex and until marriage to have kids. My daughter is now 33, married and has two children, a daughter 3 yrs and a son 6 mo. All this with some sex ed and me talking with her at every stage of her growing up years and boy did I talk and listen and talk and listen.  I am not against sex ed in the schools I think we can utilize the information from the schools offers, but mostly kids need there parents. I viewed all the sex ed curriculum so I knew what she would be viewing and when.  We beat the odds my daughter and I, because the statistics show that history just repeats itself and it did in my case. My mother was a teenage mom her mom was a teenage mom and I am not sure of my grandma's mother actually I think back then you did get married at thirteen and have 20 kids by age 20?  What I am saying is that if I at 14 with no sex education, or support and a single parent understood my power as a parent to influence my daughter to wait why can't these parents see there power?

  

 
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March 3, 2008, 6:00 pm PST

It's Not All About Education

 I saw the episode about teens and sex, and it solely focused on educating or not educating our teens.  Where was the discussion about some teenagers having sex because they are trying to fill a void?  For me, I had sex and got pregnant at 17 because I did not have a good relationship with my father and was seeking love from any male figure who gave me attention.  As a social worker, I strongly believe that these types of situations need to addressed.  Also, the show seemed to focus only on females.  I believe that is the other problem, it is almost like all the responsibility falls on the girls, especially when talking about pregnancy. 
 
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