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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 31, 2008, 2:37 pm PDT

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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This isn't new and it's not mainstream in the least. I wouldn't worry. It's a fetish that I think kids pick up on to laugh about. And yeah, some people DO like to dress up as animals when they have sex.

It's not a common thing though.

I was what we called in my school a "goth-tart"...I was gothy but I wore brightly colored clothes. I was also a cutter. While it's unhealthy and it's really seriously a concern kids like that aren't scary. I promise. They are usually kids who feel out of place and that GIVES them a place to fit in.

The "furry" thing is distasteful to most folks, but it's not anymore harmful than any other sexual kink. I don't find it scarier than "regular" teen sex...JUST as scary though!

"Furries" don't have sex with animals..they just like to dress up as animals. Just like some people like to be tied up, some people like to be spanked, some people like to role play....it's not what 90% of people do sexually, but they aren't hurting anyone.

Yeah I am not concerned much about *furries*, heard about them on You tube...

 

hopefully the teen *furries* have access to comprehensive sex education and protect themselves IF they are going to engage in wild animal sex.

 

I did read somewhere they bark and howl etc........ a bit strange, but whatev???  So long as no ones being injured, I have no problem with it.

 

Sounds like a phase that will pass to me tho.

 

 

 

 
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March 31, 2008, 2:46 pm PDT

Gothy...

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O.K. all those who know how to research peculiar things...help!  Has anyone heard of the newest teen phase...the "Furries"?  My son told this to me last night after dinner...a group of kids in his High School have become "furries"...my 70's mindset went one direction..I was wrong.  Along with the "emos', Goths and cutters, we now have the furries...teens who are interseted in the sexualization of little furry animals...they depict themseves as charicatures of the furry of choice and either find another furry to play act with in actual sexual context, or they do the cyberspace thing of fantsy...like you put yourself into character of Alvin from the chipmunks and do a virtual sex tour with him.  I asked him if he knew any of these furries personally...said yes. this "couple" I'd know since freshman year...all of them are now seniors...and these two kids were the nicest, active in the theater groups...did annual performances at school...come from good homes.  The reason I was finally told...I had been very annoyed that my son, along with three other boys and two girls had been excluding these two from recent outings...and I thought it to be mean.  I learned that the group has split...the "furries" have gone their way, the other members of this group have branched off and my son is counting the days till graduation in June.  This is no joke, and I'm very upset...FURRIES?  Yes, I knew of the Goths, the Emos, the Cutters...they scared the crap out of me.  Thought I'd pass this one on in case it was not known to parents or it has yet to hit your area...coming from New York...furries...we have a lot more to worry about than I thought.  My son and the other kids walked away...what if they hadn't?  I'd have a "furry"?  What next?  This is too scary...what can we do, and I'm in it if there is something...Even though my son is not into it, if it takes off, his life , as well as the lives of this generation could be effected by it...not in a positive way.

Teen sex is one thing...this is going into the fringes of beastiology..in high school!  I'm very upset.  This is not sex as I knew it...it's into deeper darker waters.  I feel sick today!

 

I was a cutter in high school and I wore dark clothes and makeup, but really, I wasn't a threat to anyone (i'd hurt myself before i'd hurt anyone else).  Most of the Goth kids at my high school were nice, smart and interesting.  They were actually less scary than some of the "jocks" anyway. 

 

Furries just sounds like a fad, kind of a dumb one, anyway.  I really doubt teen sex is going to drift towards furry fetishes, and I think it'll pass in time.  I think most teens look at that and think "That's stupid".  There's been fetishes that came before and ones to come that most people don't get into.

 
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March 31, 2008, 6:55 pm PDT

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Yeah I am not concerned much about *furries*, heard about them on You tube...

 

hopefully the teen *furries* have access to comprehensive sex education and protect themselves IF they are going to engage in wild animal sex.

 

I did read somewhere they bark and howl etc........ a bit strange, but whatev???  So long as no ones being injured, I have no problem with it.

 

Sounds like a phase that will pass to me tho.

 

 

 

Wow I am sorry I should have been clearer in my post.  When I said about the *wild animal sex* I was being very figurative.

 

As far as I understand it's exactly what you stated Penny, that this fetish has NOTHING to do with bestiality whatsoever.

 

Just a weird costume phase IMO.

 
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April 1, 2008, 10:22 am PDT

Thanks for the respone

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This isn't new and it's not mainstream in the least. I wouldn't worry. It's a fetish that I think kids pick up on to laugh about. And yeah, some people DO like to dress up as animals when they have sex.

It's not a common thing though.

I was what we called in my school a "goth-tart"...I was gothy but I wore brightly colored clothes. I was also a cutter. While it's unhealthy and it's really seriously a concern kids like that aren't scary. I promise. They are usually kids who feel out of place and that GIVES them a place to fit in.

The "furry" thing is distasteful to most folks, but it's not anymore harmful than any other sexual kink. I don't find it scarier than "regular" teen sex...JUST as scary though!

"Furries" don't have sex with animals..they just like to dress up as animals. Just like some people like to be tied up, some people like to be spanked, some people like to role play....it's not what 90% of people do sexually, but they aren't hurting anyone.

Well, I feel better.  Thought my kid was in a school that should be on Animal Planet...but if it's a known phase, and it's not new, I'll chalk it up to another lesson learned.  I am a "worrier"  by nature, especially where my kids are concerned...so it's a relief of sorts to at least know my research into his school's background wasn't sloppy.  Guess it's just a phase...Now I know why parents look to retire after the kids move out!  We've earned it.

I am very grateful that our communications about sex have become more opened...had I not read this board, I think I'd be a lot more concerned.  Appreciate the info!

 
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April 1, 2008, 11:51 am PDT

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Well, I feel better.  Thought my kid was in a school that should be on Animal Planet...but if it's a known phase, and it's not new, I'll chalk it up to another lesson learned.  I am a "worrier"  by nature, especially where my kids are concerned...so it's a relief of sorts to at least know my research into his school's background wasn't sloppy.  Guess it's just a phase...Now I know why parents look to retire after the kids move out!  We've earned it.

I am very grateful that our communications about sex have become more opened...had I not read this board, I think I'd be a lot more concerned.  Appreciate the info!

I think it's ok to be a worrier when you have kids! LOL  And yes....my kid is only 3...I can only imagine how tired I'll be once she's an adult! These first 4 years have been quite hard enough already!
 
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April 2, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

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It's wrong to keep people ignorant of their own bodies.  Sex ed is a must, but also keep that ongoing talk and expand on it as they grow.  Teens are going to have sex, it's pretty much a rule.  I'd like to think that knowledge is protection.  Doesn't the pastor want kids to be protected?  HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and Syphilis are 10x more horrible than premarital sex.   It's preventable if they have the info- and there is a myriad of it now- and info is control, control is empowerment. 

 

I don't think the stigmatization of virginity is fair, either.  You can focus sexual energy into immense productivity, which can help achieve your goals.   But it should be a personal, private, informed choice, not something you swear to in public.  It can be a beautiful, spiritual thing if it's kept a personal matter, IMO.  Don't share your sex status with a fundamentalist, NEVER a good idea....

I am rather amazed that people are surprised at the current state of our young people.  If I have processed my information right, our kids are obese, sex-crazed, disrespectful, and stupid.  But, I think most of us so-called 'parents' have the situation reversed.  These children are doing exactly what they are allowed to do.  And, a lot of them are copying what they see mommy, and daddy doing.  Are you really surprised that a school is thinking about giving out birth control?  Think long and hard about it.  When these kids come home from school, who is there?  Mom's have to work these days just like Dads do.  If you were a teenager coming home to nobody, what would you do?  The possibilties are endless.  Some kids are going to do the right thing.  Some kids are going to some of the right things, and one or two wrong things.  Some kids are going to do whatever they want, and that includes drugs, sex, and nothing to do with school studies.  Is it any wonder kids are making bad choices?  Who is there to guide them?  A lot of people think that when a kid gets the word 'teen' in his age description, you can kind of let them go.  I think you have to guide, and teach them how to make the right choices.  In order to do that you have to be there.  A lot ot the problems that we are having with our youth come down to one thing.  A lack of supervision.  I remember being a teenager during the 80's, and you talk about fast times.  Drugs, sex, and rock n' roll were a way of life for a lot of my friends.  Their parents would be at work, or whatever, and these kids did whatever they wanted.  But, not me.  My mom would be sitting there on the couch waiting for me almost every day.  I had to be home by 3:30 p.m.  I had to tell her where I was going.  She would go in my room to make sure there was nothing in there that shouldn't be in there.  I had to be accountable.  As a teenager, I hated it.  Why couldn't she mind her own business?  But, now that I am almost 40 years old, with a daughter of my own, I thank my mother for what she did.  She saved me from  a lot things that I saw my friends go through.  I was not pregnant at umpteen years old; I was not hooked on alcohol, or drugs.  I was a supervised child, and as things came up, my Mother helped me through it.  I can't thank her enough.  I have seen a lot of my peers deal with everything from having babies to soon, to drug addiction, to AIDS.  I have at least ten friends who were dead by 1999 as a result of decisions they made in their teen years.  Kids need truthful information, guidance, and parental supervision all of their young lives in order to have half a chance of getting through the minefield of the teen years.  I, also, emulated what I saw in my home.  My mother did not drink, or do drugs in front of me.  She was married to my father, and acted the way a married woman should act in front of her children.  You can't get drunk, and stoned in front of your children, and then try to tell them that they should not do the same thing.  It doesn't work that way.  You, also, can't be out of touch with your kids, and then be surprised at the things they chose to do without your guidance.  A lot of these kids are operating on their own.  The schools are going to be the first in a lot of cases to see whats going on.  That's why this particular school is even talking about the birth control issue.  Some kids don't want to talk about sex with their parents, others can't talk to their parents for whatever reason.  But, it just seems to me that a lot of these kids are on their own.  I don't know what the answer is to a lot of this, because it costs so damned much to live these days, and mothers have to work in a lot of situations.  But, I do know that our children need us, and our wisdom.  A lot of them are not getting it.  I don't like judging people, because I don't know what a lot of people's deals are, but I just see a lot of kids on their own, and making some horrble mistakes.
 
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I was a cutter in high school and I wore dark clothes and makeup, but really, I wasn't a threat to anyone (i'd hurt myself before i'd hurt anyone else).  Most of the Goth kids at my high school were nice, smart and interesting.  They were actually less scary than some of the "jocks" anyway. 

 

Furries just sounds like a fad, kind of a dumb one, anyway.  I really doubt teen sex is going to drift towards furry fetishes, and I think it'll pass in time.  I think most teens look at that and think "That's stupid".  There's been fetishes that came before and ones to come that most people don't get into.

Quarrier, There's something I'm curious about. Does the "Goth" in Goth kids have anything to do with Golgotha (scull shaped hill where Jesus was hung on the cross) I notice the Goths like sculls. Am I just really confused or what?
 
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April 3, 2008, 5:50 pm PDT

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Quarrier, There's something I'm curious about. Does the "Goth" in Goth kids have anything to do with Golgotha (scull shaped hill where Jesus was hung on the cross) I notice the Goths like sculls. Am I just really confused or what?

 

Well, as far as the origins of Goth, it refers to a literary style from the 1800's:

 

"Gothic: Of or pertaining to a literary style of fiction prevalent in the late 18th and early 19th centuries which emphasized the grotesque, mysterious, and desolate: a gothic novel. [This is the relevant definition in the dictionary. Think of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and the works of Edgar Allen Poe.]"

 

The date of origin is usually placed in 1979 when Bauhaus released the song "Bela Lugosi's Dead." The band originally intended the song to be tongue-in-cheek; however, many young fans latched onto this mysterious, eerie sound as inspiration for the budding gothic subculture.

 

Recently, widespread mainstream interest in the gothic subculture is apparent. Many gothic cultural quirks have filtered into mainstream culture, such as an interest in the supernatural and dark aesthetics. Historically, a dark leaning is prevalent towards the end of a century. That leaning has been more pronounced due to the close of a millennium"

 

http://www.gothicsubculture.com/origin.php

 

 

So, from what I gather, it derives from  literary form and was revived in musical form in the late 70's.  Now it's just a social group/clique like any other.   But to answer your question, I haven't found where Golgotha played a part in it's formation.

 

 
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April 6, 2008, 6:12 am PDT

PATERNITY TEST KITS - OVER THE COUNTER

Paternity test kits are the latest example of how genetics testing is pushing into the consumer marketplace, fueling competition not only in paternity issues but also in ancestry research (many purchasers are adults who still have questions about who their parents are or were).  Genetic paternity tests are widely available online.  Experts are warning consumers that some laboratories doing the testing are not required to meet federal or any genetic testing standards.

 

Over-the-counter test kits are now available.  These over-the-counter test kits are now available in some local stores - except those in New York, where state law requires a court order or medical prescription. 

 

www.dnatesting.com 


The kits cost about $30. They contain cotton swabs for taking cells from inside the mouth, which are then placed in sealed plastic bags and sent with a consent form and an additional fee to an accredited lab.  Results are available in three to five days and can be accessed on
line.  Assuming that the information listed on the form sent in with paternity kits is correct, the test is 99.9 percent accurate for paternity. 


The tests cannot be used in legal proceedings because there is no verification that the samples come from the people who are listed on the forms sent to the laboratory. Legally valid tests cost about $350 with Identigene. 

 

With some paternity tests advertised on the Web for as little as $89.  Buy from a company whose laboratory is accredited for crime scene processing and by the American Association of Blood Banks, which set standards for handling and processing samples.

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

 
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Paternity test kits are the latest example of how genetics testing is pushing into the consumer marketplace, fueling competition not only in paternity issues but also in ancestry research (many purchasers are adults who still have questions about who their parents are or were).  Genetic paternity tests are widely available online.  Experts are warning consumers that some laboratories doing the testing are not required to meet federal or any genetic testing standards.

 

Over-the-counter test kits are now available.  These over-the-counter test kits are now available in some local stores - except those in New York, where state law requires a court order or medical prescription. 

 

www.dnatesting.com 


The kits cost about $30. They contain cotton swabs for taking cells from inside the mouth, which are then placed in sealed plastic bags and sent with a consent form and an additional fee to an accredited lab.  Results are available in three to five days and can be accessed on
line.  Assuming that the information listed on the form sent in with paternity kits is correct, the test is 99.9 percent accurate for paternity. 


The tests cannot be used in legal proceedings because there is no verification that the samples come from the people who are listed on the forms sent to the laboratory. Legally valid tests cost about $350 with Identigene. 

 

With some paternity tests advertised on the Web for as little as $89.  Buy from a company whose laboratory is accredited for crime scene processing and by the American Association of Blood Banks, which set standards for handling and processing samples.

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

Hi.

 

I was wondering, do you work for Dr. Phil?

 

Marie

 
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