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Could a grave danger be lurking in your home? If you believe the headlines, you know that catching the Superbug can have deadly consequences, but should you be concerned? How can you spot the danger, and what can you do to stay safe? Dr. Phil gets to the bottom of these questions and others. Melissa's son, Mark, was just 13 when he went to the hospital and wound up with MRSA, also known as the Superbug. Learn about Melissa’s tragic loss and why she thinks her son’s death could have been prevented. Then, 19-year-old Stephanie has been battling the Superbug for almost a year. Get a firsthand account of her experience with the disease, and find out what advice her doctor gave her that has Dr. Phil shocked and concerned. Even doctors aren’t immune to the Superbug. Dr. Drew O’Neal had an accident while on vacation, and what happened next changed his life forever. He shares his valuable insights as both doctor and patient. Plus, two years ago, Glen was your average sophomore playing on his high school football team -- until he contracted the Superbug right from the team’s locker room. Find out what important lessons he learned that could help protect you and your children from the disease. And renowned pediatrician Dr. Jim Sears weighs in with the latest information and shows off products to keep on hand that could save your life. Join the discussion.

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March 31, 2008, 5:00 am PDT

MRSA

My father in law has MRSA. So far it has gotten his left leg and part of his right foot.  This started in 1999 and we know one day it will take his life.  He went in for out patient surgery on his left toe.  The day after the surgery his foot started swelling and turning red.  The doctor even made a house visit and said it was cellulitis and ordered hyperbarics.  His foot was not getting any better so the nurse in hyperbarics got a different doctor to order a test and it came back MRSA. By than his toe turned  black and was sluffing off.  We got him to Jackson MS. and that is when they started cutting off.  First it was his big toe, two days later it was the next toe,  than the rest of his toes and foot. In between cutting they where giving him IV's with all kinds of meds. and washing out the part of the foot that was still sluffing. They finaliy decided to cut off his leg right below his knee trying to get ahead of the MRSA.  They sent him home with a IV.  I was taught how to give the IV two times a day for six long months.  We thought his was find than a year later it showed up again in his knee.  This has been going on for 8 yrs.  He is in a wheel chair but he is so depressed.  The doors in the house are not wide enough so everything is banged up.  He can not get in his bathroom.  he has to hop to the tolet and tub.  He trys to do for himself so much.  Last year we rowed him a garden and he planted every seed by sliding on his butt.  His does not want anyone to think he is disable. He is a proud 70yr old man.  We take him hunting and anything else that he thinks he can do. His wheel chair will not go every where because it is not equiped for outside in the dirt and we can not load it.  He goes to church every day. 

 
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March 31, 2008, 6:17 am PDT

MRSA..BACTERIA NOT VIRUS

Dr. Phil,

MRSA is a bacteria..methacillin resistant "staph" aureus. The key word being "STAPH". That is a bacteria. I am shocked that as much research you do on a subject you could make this big of a mistake.

I know first hand about this awful bug. I contracted it from a spider bite. I was bit by a brown recluse several times and developed terrible abcesses all ober my body for over 2 years. I took multiple antibiotics, both oral and IV. Eventually I over came this, but not before it disfigured my body. I have horrible scars on my face, legs, arms, and hips. I feel for anyone who has had this or has this. It is an uphill fight all day everyday. The sadest part is the pain and scars that this causes. I have been hospitalized multiple times for this and I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

 
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March 31, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

MRSA can kill.

Back about 6 years ago, my husband underwent emergency back surgery when he lost the use of his legs because of a herniated disc. His surgery went well, and he was home and feeling better in just 2 days. After the second night, he got a fever so bad that I had to change our sheets from his sweating several times, as well as add every blanket that we owned off and on because he was so chilled.  In the morning, his insicion site was hard and very hot to the touch, and it looked as if someone cut a square out of a 2 x4 and inserted it under the insicion site. I took him to see the surgeon at his office, with 5 children that I cared for in my home daycare, expecting him to be prescribed an oral antibiotic at the most. He was immediatly readmitted into the hospital for a post operative infection. That was on a Thursday. By Friday evening, my husband didn't know where he was, or who I was. He was at the hospital but getting worse. The doctors were giving him oral antibiotics every 6 hours and he had an IV for fluids. I decided to call another hospital in the city a couple hours from where we lived, and they told me to immediatly transfer him to their hospital. I made the arrangements for their ambulance to pick him up the next day. At the hospital where he had the surgery, his doctors tried to tell me that I was discharging him AMA, and that our insurance would not cover the ambulance ride to the hospital that I was taking him to because I was moving him AMA. (against medical advice) At that point I told the doctor that I would rather carry him on my back than leave him in his care where he wasa rapidly getting worse. When he arrived at the new hospital, a much bigger one that was also a teaching hospital, there were several doctors and other people in his room immediatly and for over 2 hours. They reopened the surgical site, did a swab of the inside of the wound, and told me that they could not make me any promises. I may have to start thinking about making funeral arrangements for my husband. I was a young mom of 2 daughters, and could not believe what I was being told. I did what the doctors told me, took care of my husband, and now I was being told that he may die? The surgeon at the new hospital came in to speak to me, and brought with him the infectious disease doctor. They explained that my husband had a MRSA infection in his back from the surgery. It was the type of infection that they would normally discuss amputation for, but in his case it was in his spine and also in his blood stream, so that was not an option. The hospital he was previously at was not giving him an antibiotic any where near strong enough,. and that is why he had gotten worse instead of better. The surgeon said he would reoperate, clean up the site, and need to leave his wound open to debreed the infection over a period of time. Again, they could not make me any promises if he would survive. The infectious disease doctor told me that she would try to find a medication that would attack and hopefully kill the infection, but that this strain of infection was resistant to almost all antibiotics. My husband had 2 additional surgerys, and was put on an IV antibiotic , the strongest one available, called vancomyacin. It went through a pic line from his arm directly into one of his heart valves. The wound was left open and packed with 4 feet of 4 "gauze. This was put in wet and ripped out dry, 3 times a day to try to remove as much of the infection as possible, allowing new healthy tissue and skin to granulate and fill in the hole. I must say that this was the most barbaric and torturous thing that I have ever witnessed, but unfortunatly had to be done this way to actually work. My husband was in so much pain from this, that he got to the point where he would not allow anyone to touch him but me. Now I was the one having to perform this torure on him. I can say that I am not sure how I did it, except that I wanted him to live and would have done whatever the doctors told me to do. After several  weeks of this, and being told several times that I needed to plan his funeral, his infectious disease doctor told me that she thought that they had finally gotten enough of the infection to send him to a rehab to recover and continue his care there. It looked good. They had no idea how much nerve damage he would have, or if he would ever be able to work again, but it looked like he was going to live! I had been doing home based daycare for 9 years, and was at home all day, so the doctor reluctantly allowed him to go home, instead of to a rehab. I knew that my husband would get better faster at home, with his family there with him. I also knew that it would be difficult, but I wanted my husband home. I had not been working for this time in the hospital, and needed to get back to my job for our finances, as well as have time to be with our young daughters. When we came home, he had nursing care 2 times a day, and I continued his debreedment of his wound 3 times a day. I had 6 toddlers in my care all day, and their parents were all aware of my husband's health situation and were all very supportive. It was alot of work, and at times I felt as though I would lose my mind!  He was in bed for the first couple of weeks, unable to care for himself at all. He still had the pic line in his arm, and was getting his antibiotics as well. We drove 2 hours several times a week to go to his appointments with his surgeon and infectious disease doctors, and over time he got better. He had almost a year on antibiotics, after the IV one came a combined dose of 2 oral ones. Those made all of his body fluids red. (good to know ahead of time so I didn't think he was bleeding!) In the end, my husband recovered. He was able to return to work after 2 1/2 years. Our family is still recovering financially. He has a hole in his back to this day that reminds him of this ordeal. There are very few things that he remembers from the whole time in the hospital because of the many medicatons that he was on. He continued the medications at home, me giving them to him 4 times a day. I still have the 3 ring binder that I used to keep track of his meds. I was so afraid of overdosing him because he was on so many pain medications. I am grateful that he only remembers part of what he went through, unfortunatly I remember it all, and wish that I didn't. My kids were not with us in the hospital, but even at their young ages, they had some lasting effects from the situation. Our youngest has anxiety and panic disorder, and our oldest daughter became our little "mom" and unfortunatly grew up much faster than I would have liked. They are both doing well today, but I still wish that I could take away all of the pain that they had to endure because of this. My husband is ok now, and unless he gets sick I don't think about his ordeal. He really can't take many antibiotics anymore, because his system will get used to them and if he ever really needed them again, they may not work. I know that he is my miracle, and am very blessed to have him here with us now. I have been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease in the same part of my back that he had his surgery on since then. I will not have surgery for it because I am colonized with MRSA from the time that I cared for him prior to knowing what type of infection he had. Once the doctors knew, he was in quarenteen, but I basically lived in his room. It made no sense for me to worry at that point, I would have already been exposed. I have had some strokes recently and have a damaged corotid artery that may need surgical repair. I am very hesitant to have the surgery because of the risk of infection. I am currently weighing out the options. It is a very scary and deadly disease, and seems to be running rampant these days. It should not be taken lightly! I can tell anyone first hand of the damage it can do, and how deadly it is. My husband was just VERY lucky, and I was lucky to have found such talented and knowledgeable doctors to care for him and save his life. He surely would have died if I had left him in the first hospital. Make sure you have good doctors and they know how to treat this bug!! Your life can depend on it!!
 
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March 31, 2008, 11:49 am PDT

VRE

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Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus (MRSA) is fairly common in hospitals now and a small percentage (about 8% I believe) of hospital workers are colonized with it.  There are other variants of resistant bacteria such as Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus (VRE) and Vancomycin Resistant Staph Aureus (VRSA). Resistance is an inevitable result of developing and using antibiotics. 

 

It's always easier to blame somebody instead of dealing with your own grief.

My Mom was admitted to the hospital approximately 6 weeks ago with an upper res. infec. While doing blood test and a million other tests, they found that she had colon, liver and lung cancer.  Our family was devastated to say the least.  While visiting my Mom every day my Dad and me were pulled aside and where told that we had to wear gloves and gowns when we entered her room and if we left her room we would have to take the old gown off along with the gloves and put on a new gown and gloves if we went back into the room because she had VRE.  When I asked how in heavens name did she get that they said they were  not sure.  What they should have said was "it's from the catheter they were using for her."  I was told by a doctor that was the absolute cause.    Cathethers grow bacteria when not cleaned properly. 

 

If using a catheter is one sure way of getting VRE, then don't you think that there should be safer ways of eliminating urine like a bed pan.  I realize that if a person is bedridden and cannot move from the bed or other serious issues are going on, then better and safer care should be taken.  My Mom is home now with the help of an Aide who comes 4 days a week, 4 hours a day and we all have to use gloves and gowns.  My Mom doesn't need this extra crap to deal with in the short time that she has left to her life. 

 

Why are hospitals and nursing homes so lax in their responsibilities to take better care of patients. 

 

By the way, I do not believe for one minute that I am blaming someone else for my Mom's illness.  If better precautions were taken I would not be having this conversation.

 

Why don't we start by looking at all the foreign travelers coming into this country with all the different diseases, bugs, superbugs, etc., etc., etc.  When I fly anywhere, I sit in my seat with a mask on my face, take a can Lysol and spray everything around me.  I was in the grocery store last week when a lady actually sneezed and coughed all over the APPLES.  I said excuse me cover your damn mouth and turn away from the fruit when you have to sneeze or cough.  What the hell is wrong with you.  She looked at me  like I had 5 eyes and walked away.  What a JERK.  So, tell me if I hadn't seen that and purchased some apples and decided to eat one on the way home what do you think would have happend to me. 

 

People are getting worse and worsr every single day.  They just don't care about anyone let alone themselves or they have become so self centered that nothing around them matters.

 
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March 31, 2008, 2:43 pm PDT

MRSA and ME

I did not contract MRSA for an over abundance of anti biotics.  I did however, contract it at the workplace from a co-worker.  My first disappointment was in letting my workplace know that I had contracted it there (co-worker admitted and showed me their sores/uncovered and had worked in my work station long before I knew they had it) and they did absolutely nothing to discourage any spread, etc.  Not even something as simple as purchasing hand sanitizer.  I brought my own to work after that but is somewhat like closing the barn after the cows get out.  I was put on one month of anti biotics and provided no information about what I really had or what to do other than take the pills.  After the month on the anti biotics three days later it flared up once again with even more vengence.  They then put me on 2 anti biotics for yet another month. 

I truly wish someone would tell the public the truth about this stuff and get the same story from any doctor.  I have visited with 4 doctors about this and they all have different opinions and suggestions.  I feel like I have some sort of cooties that I can spread even when I don't have any outbreak.  I have started washing/showering and cleaning with a product called Hibiclens...supposed to be what doctors and nurses scub with prior to surgeries.  I have replaced all my cosmetics, never use the same linens twice, NEVER allow anyone to use something I've contacted...I feel like I am living in some sort of bubble.  If I could get some HONEST STRAIGHT answers and precautions I would feel much better.  I've been told that MRSA is similar in behavior as herpies.  Once you get it you always have it.  I so hope tomorrow's show will help shed some light on the truth to this stuff.  Anytime I get a scratch or a blemish I worry that its another flare up and panic so as not to potentially infect anyone around me.

 
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March 31, 2008, 3:48 pm PDT

I almost lost my Husband!

About 2 1/2 years ago my hubby became infected with mrsa. We had heard of the super-bug but had never heard the term mrsa. It started when he was at work one day and felt a bug bite his leg (on the front of the shin bone). A couple of days later it had swelled up so huge, it was about 8" around, red, hot, and had a head on it. He thought it was just a bad reaction to a spider bite and tried to drain the fluid. He couldn't and it was incredibly painful. I took him to an emergency care where they diagnosed him with an infected bite, lanced it and gave antibiotics. The amount of icky fluid that came out was unbelievable and it was so deep that it left a deep hole. He still has a crater there after it has healed. Anyway, these eruptions started popping up all over his body, sometimes 2 at a time. His legs, his arms, his neck, you get the picture. I took him to the ER many times and to a Dermatologist many times and they kept lancing and giving more antibiotics. Nobody EVER came up with the correct diagnosis. This went on for a year! What makes this extra scary for us is the fact that my hubby has an enlarged heart and calcium on 2 heart valves that need to be replaced. The mrsa could so easily have caused pericarditis and killed him rather quickly. The whole time we didn't realize this. Finally, my hubby went to his Cardiologist to get a prescreen for hip replacement surgery and when the Doc took a look at him he sent him to an Infectious disease doctor immediately. He was finally diagnosed with mrsa. He was treated correctly and responded well. Luckily he was able to have his hip surgery a few months later but the hospital had him in an isolated room and wore special coverings every time they entered his room so they would not pass the infection to other patients just in case he was still contagious. Everything worked out well in the end but I still can't believe how easily and quickly I could have lost my husband to this. Why wasn't he diagnosed sooner? It's scary and I have lost some faith with the medical community over this.
 
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March 31, 2008, 3:58 pm PDT

I know it's hard to believe..........

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I did not contract MRSA for an over abundance of anti biotics.  I did however, contract it at the workplace from a co-worker.  My first disappointment was in letting my workplace know that I had contracted it there (co-worker admitted and showed me their sores/uncovered and had worked in my work station long before I knew they had it) and they did absolutely nothing to discourage any spread, etc.  Not even something as simple as purchasing hand sanitizer.  I brought my own to work after that but is somewhat like closing the barn after the cows get out.  I was put on one month of anti biotics and provided no information about what I really had or what to do other than take the pills.  After the month on the anti biotics three days later it flared up once again with even more vengence.  They then put me on 2 anti biotics for yet another month. 

I truly wish someone would tell the public the truth about this stuff and get the same story from any doctor.  I have visited with 4 doctors about this and they all have different opinions and suggestions.  I feel like I have some sort of cooties that I can spread even when I don't have any outbreak.  I have started washing/showering and cleaning with a product called Hibiclens...supposed to be what doctors and nurses scub with prior to surgeries.  I have replaced all my cosmetics, never use the same linens twice, NEVER allow anyone to use something I've contacted...I feel like I am living in some sort of bubble.  If I could get some HONEST STRAIGHT answers and precautions I would feel much better.  I've been told that MRSA is similar in behavior as herpies.  Once you get it you always have it.  I so hope tomorrow's show will help shed some light on the truth to this stuff.  Anytime I get a scratch or a blemish I worry that its another flare up and panic so as not to potentially infect anyone around me.

But don't worry so much about it. My husbands been through it, a year also and many different diagnosis until he finally got the right one. It's been over 2 1/2 years now and he's doing fine. He even had major surgery and everything went well. read my post under jewelsf, I tell the story there. We made love throughout the whole time that he had it, we shared almost everything except towels, and I never caught it. Due to a disability I have a very low immune system and the specialist said that I was alright. I know that it's VERY hard to deal with but ease up on yourself. You don't have cooties and I would shake your hand and give you a hug anytime. Good luck and I hope you feel better. Julie
 
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March 31, 2008, 4:13 pm PDT

Yes she was rude but............

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My Mom was admitted to the hospital approximately 6 weeks ago with an upper res. infec. While doing blood test and a million other tests, they found that she had colon, liver and lung cancer.  Our family was devastated to say the least.  While visiting my Mom every day my Dad and me were pulled aside and where told that we had to wear gloves and gowns when we entered her room and if we left her room we would have to take the old gown off along with the gloves and put on a new gown and gloves if we went back into the room because she had VRE.  When I asked how in heavens name did she get that they said they were  not sure.  What they should have said was "it's from the catheter they were using for her."  I was told by a doctor that was the absolute cause.    Cathethers grow bacteria when not cleaned properly. 

 

If using a catheter is one sure way of getting VRE, then don't you think that there should be safer ways of eliminating urine like a bed pan.  I realize that if a person is bedridden and cannot move from the bed or other serious issues are going on, then better and safer care should be taken.  My Mom is home now with the help of an Aide who comes 4 days a week, 4 hours a day and we all have to use gloves and gowns.  My Mom doesn't need this extra crap to deal with in the short time that she has left to her life. 

 

Why are hospitals and nursing homes so lax in their responsibilities to take better care of patients. 

 

By the way, I do not believe for one minute that I am blaming someone else for my Mom's illness.  If better precautions were taken I would not be having this conversation.

 

Why don't we start by looking at all the foreign travelers coming into this country with all the different diseases, bugs, superbugs, etc., etc., etc.  When I fly anywhere, I sit in my seat with a mask on my face, take a can Lysol and spray everything around me.  I was in the grocery store last week when a lady actually sneezed and coughed all over the APPLES.  I said excuse me cover your damn mouth and turn away from the fruit when you have to sneeze or cough.  What the hell is wrong with you.  She looked at me  like I had 5 eyes and walked away.  What a JERK.  So, tell me if I hadn't seen that and purchased some apples and decided to eat one on the way home what do you think would have happend to me. 

 

People are getting worse and worsr every single day.  They just don't care about anyone let alone themselves or they have become so self centered that nothing around them matters.

Do you have any idea what those apples went through before they received a little sneeze? Why do you think they have to be thoroughly washed before eaten. Do you know that field workers urinate and defecate on produce while it's still in the field. What about the people that have a bowel movement and don't wash their hands afterwords. It's on your shopping cart, on the door handle, on the apples that they picked through, everywhere. I'm very sorry that your mom is so terribly ill and I assume that it's the real reason you blew up at the woman in the store. Just wash your produce, wash your hands for at least 15 seconds, and don't worry about the sneeze or the people coming in from other countries. You kind of sound like you have a case of obsessive compulsive disorder. I'm not putting you down, I have lived with it for years now, luckily I don't have a real severe case of it. Have you been diagnosed with it? Please let me know. God Bless your Mother and may she get some peace at this time in her life. I'm sending you best wishes also, I know how hard this to go through since I lost my father when he was only 47.
 
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March 31, 2008, 4:22 pm PDT

You could have been a little kinder!

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Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus (MRSA) is fairly common in hospitals now and a small percentage (about 8% I believe) of hospital workers are colonized with it.  There are other variants of resistant bacteria such as Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus (VRE) and Vancomycin Resistant Staph Aureus (VRSA). Resistance is an inevitable result of developing and using antibiotics. 

 

It's always easier to blame somebody instead of dealing with your own grief.

The info that you provided was very educational to those who don't know much about it and I'm glad you posted it but that's exactly why this person is placing blame everywhere but where it belongs. Grief!!!!   It's very powerful and this person is going through a very difficult time. It was wrong to yell at the woman over the apples and wrong to blame people from other countries but cut some slack here. Put yourself in that position before posting it quite so coldly.  
 
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March 31, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

MRSA

I have also been told I have (had) MRSA .  I went to the doc. with what I thought was a bite from some wierd bug.  It started as a very small blister that was slightly painful to the touch.  After about two weeks of this I finally just popped the darn thing hoping it would get rid of it.  within 48 hours it was swollen and hot to the touch, then became puss filled and black around the wound, I thought I just infected it by poking at it.  I put triple antibiotic  ointment on it and covered it, that made it worse.  I went to the doctor they said nothing and just put me on antibiotics.  in the meantime I got bit by a Mosquito...on the other leg and within 24 hours it was the same reaction.  By this time I was doing my own investigation via the wonderful web.  I came to the conclusion that I had MRSA.  So I went back to the doctor, told him my diagnosis he said he was not sure but was going to treat me as if that was it. he took a culture, it came back negative so he sent me to a dermatologist. By this time I have 2 places almost healed and 2 more starting.  The dermatologist told me he thought that it is MRSA and said that if I had been on antibiotics that the test was worthless it would have come back negative... 3rd round of antibiotics twice as long twice as strong.  He also told me to take a bleach bath 2-3 times a week using about 1/4 cup bleach I also found peroxide very effective.

 

I have no outbreaks at the moment.  But something unusual any time I get a cold now I get strange sores in my nose Connection ????? possible?

 

Now that i have explained my story I have a theory on how I got MRSA of course I don't know for sure but,

I do in home day care two of my familys work at the hospital 1 other works at a nursing home. the parent that works at the nursing home is a cna the others are in laundry and one is housekeeping.  the parents that wear greens always pick up their child in their greens (work uniforms)  I am thinking their is a connection somehow but no way to know for sure. 

 

I also have another problem.  I have a 3 year old daughter with downsyndrome that has a heart condition she has went through open heart surgery when she was 6 months old they fixed it the best they could at the time, but knew she would have to go through it again when she was a little bigger, they are planning surgery for the middle or end of June or August this summer.  I am concerned about her getting this wether it is from me or the hospital or my daycare parents that work there.  Does anyone know  what the possibilities of this are?  This little girl is my angel and i will protect her at all costs.. Thanks for any input

 I can't quit daycare it is the only way i can be with her and contribute to our income, and keep our home.

 

 
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