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Could a grave danger be lurking in your home? If you believe the headlines, you know that catching the Superbug can have deadly consequences, but should you be concerned? How can you spot the danger, and what can you do to stay safe? Dr. Phil gets to the bottom of these questions and others. Melissa's son, Mark, was just 13 when he went to the hospital and wound up with MRSA, also known as the Superbug. Learn about Melissa’s tragic loss and why she thinks her son’s death could have been prevented. Then, 19-year-old Stephanie has been battling the Superbug for almost a year. Get a firsthand account of her experience with the disease, and find out what advice her doctor gave her that has Dr. Phil shocked and concerned. Even doctors aren’t immune to the Superbug. Dr. Drew O’Neal had an accident while on vacation, and what happened next changed his life forever. He shares his valuable insights as both doctor and patient. Plus, two years ago, Glen was your average sophomore playing on his high school football team -- until he contracted the Superbug right from the team’s locker room. Find out what important lessons he learned that could help protect you and your children from the disease. And renowned pediatrician Dr. Jim Sears weighs in with the latest information and shows off products to keep on hand that could save your life. Join the discussion.

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April 1, 2008, 9:28 pm PDT

04/01 The Superbug

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We had never heard of this super bug.  Or at least we hadn't heard it called MRSA.  My sister would break out in these open wounds.  We thought she was getting infections from cutting herself shaving or something.  She went to the doctor to have it drained and then back again and then more break outs.  That was 3 years ago and I just found out maybe 6 months ago while taking her to the ER for a wound on her leg that was so painful she couldn't walk that what she had was MRSA.  I guess she's known for a while that is what it's called, but the doctors never made a big enough fuss about it to cause her to think she should be letting her family know.  Here's the scary thing.  My sister gets very serious in grown toe nails and goes bi weekly to have pedicures done on her feet to have them dig out the in grown nails.  If they accidentally cut her while digging out the nail, the bug has not spread.  So if the next person gets cut with the same tool, they will be infected.  I'm sure most of us know that nail salons aren't always the most overly sterile.  But even if they were...hospitals are supposedly the most sterile places and that is where my sister contracted this bug.

We determined that my sister contracted MRSA in a hospital while having surgery on her wrist from a work related injury.  I have to be honest and say that I lived with my sister for a year and shared a bathroom with her while she had it and I never contracted it.  So it's hard to know how freaked out about this that I should be.

It's just frustrating that there is no answer.  The people who have it must feel like lepers or something.  And those who don't (like me) feel guilty for wanting to be hyper vigilant to make sure myself or my children don't get it.  My sister has no kids and loves having my daughter over to her house for slumber parties and every time the MRSA is always in the forefront of my mind.  If my daughter has any type of open wound, I make up some excuse that she can't go.  Because I don't want to come right out and tell my sister the reason why my daughter can't come over.  If the solution for prevention is really as simple as washing hands, then how are people getting it from hospitals?  So what is the solution for preventing it from spreading.  How do we keep our family safe without ostracizing one of our family members who has it.

On a more positive note, my other sister is a Licensed Vocational Nurse and she works in Folsom Prison.  So she deals with MRSA on a daily basis.  She just got finished telling me that the media makes a bigger deal out of it than needs be.  She said as long as the person who has it is keeping clean, covering the wound(s), and taking the prescribed meds then the risk of that person spreading it is minimal. 

Sorry, but I just don't think there are enough definitive answers about this and it seems like the power of whether is spreads or not is in the hands of those who already have it.  I'm only 29, so as long as I've known about AIDS, it's kind of been no big deal.  But I'd imagine that when the general public started to first hear about AIDS that what I am feeling right now about MRSA is what people felt about AIDS.  Those who have it have all the control.

People are getting it from hospitals because of poor handwashing between patients!  Also from visitors that are touching the sick patients and all sorts of other places. Visualize an elderly patient walking down the hall; holding on to a handrail that has been touched by someone with MRSA on their hands.

 

I don't know where the myth comes from that hospitals are the most sterile place........that is where all the sick and infected people are. People let their children run barefoot and roll around on the floors in the waiting room. No matter how good the housekeepers are it is only clean until someone comes along and leaves more bacteria there.

 

foam on!

 
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April 1, 2008, 9:31 pm PDT

MRSA

The Key is (CLEAN)  wash your hands wash your hands, scrub in between your fingers the backs of your hands also use a nail brush,  Open doors with your sleeve or a tissue keep your hand sanitizer with you and take lysol everywhere you go we (must) be vigilant don't take antibotics at a drop of a hat only when needed, Clean surfaces with bleach and water , also very important when using sani/wipes  or Lysol wipes and sprays Please allow to dry itself (doNot) dry surfaces with paper towel or such this product works by letting it dry on its own.  My best to all of you suffering good luck.
 
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April 1, 2008, 9:35 pm PDT

I disagree with the disagreement :)

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I am sorry to disagree with you.  I also have a very close member in my family who is in the medical field.  If they have a patient/referral that really needs to be seen (as in Stephanie's case) and they are overbooked already, they make time to see the patient, if it be before office hours or after or whenever they can get the patient in.  That patient is seen and I mean ASAP.  Sorry to say that is NOT NORMAL, more like insane for a doctor to run his practice in that manner.

 

An added note....I myself have worked in hospitals for many years.  I made appointments on a daily basis for many of our doctors.  Never would we have a patient wait a month for an appointment that needs immediate attention, as in Stephanie's case. 

 

Thank you Dr. Phil for getting help for this girl and soon.

I have to disagree with the person who disagreed first! Stephanie has a CHRONIC  problem with her MRSA and has been aggressively treated. She has been referred to an "infectious disease specialist" for a chronic problem, not an acute (emergency) one. One month is not an uncommon time to wait for an appointment with a specialist.  It does seem like a referral might have been made sooner; but we don't know the details of her course of treatment, has her Dr. consulted by phone with another etc.
 
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April 1, 2008, 10:27 pm PDT

Has anyone tried silver for treatment of this superbug?

 I don't have this particular superbug but, I do have chronic, resistant infection.  I have a rare autoimmune disease (or disorder) called necrobiosis lipoidica diabeticorum (NLD).  Though I am not diabetic, mine is a severe case of NL(D).  My lower legs look as if they have been horribly burned, and they ulcerate over and again.  It seems that each ulcer is more difficult to see healed than the last, with some ulcers having already remained open for well over a year.  It has reached the point where the ulcers seem to stay infected.

Modern medicine knows no cure for NL(D).  There aren't even any adequately effective treatments to hault the progression of NL(D) through modern medicine, or so it seems.  So I live with a certain amout of concern that I could loose leg or life to complications such as infection.  And in fact, I have had close calls.   Beginning in late  2005, I was started back on antibiotics for a staph infection called psuedomonas aeruginosa.  However, months of IV antibiotics failed to cure the infection.    I ended up becoming an experimental patient at a clinic, where I was given a type of silver (yeah, the metal) by IV.  I was essentially told by my doctor(s) there, that silver has long been known as an agent that isn't staph-germ friendly.

Along with treatment to improve the health of my compromised immune system, the silver was, as I said, given to me by IV at the clinic.  But, not even strong IV antibiotics and the silver, given internally, were enough to rid the ulcers themselves of the infection.   That, though I suspect that the combined treatments at the clinic did prevent the infection from going systemic and, I certainly came home feeling far more strength than I'd had when I arrived at the clinic some six weeks earlier.

The ulcers on my legs continued to enlarge.  I feared I would soon loose my legs to amputation and, based on comments he made to me at the time, so did my primary physician.  But even if I would survive surgery for amputation, my NL(D) degenerated skin does not heal well.  If I wasn't a candidate for skin graftsa few years earlier, I doubted I would heal well from a far more serious surgical wound.  I felt my last hope was to return to a specialist (in the case of NL(D) a dermatologist) to see if, by some answered prayer, technology had made any advancements since my last visit.

Lucky for me there had been advancements.  A dermatologist from a university hospital prescribed a silver dressing for the infected ulcers.  She explained to the effect that, antibiotics are an enemy to bacteria unless it becomes resistant to them but that, silver is an environment that most staph infection cannot survive contact with.  That leaves me wondering if it could work on wounds of THIS superbug as it did for me in the case of pseudomonas aeruginosa. 

Yet it might not matter if it would work, unless health insurance companies are willing to cover the cost of such dressings.  They are expensive.  Presently denied coverage of them by my current health insurance company, my legs are re-infected some other types of bacteria, and I suppose I am as worried as those of you who have the superbug.  I can really relate and you have my deepest sympathy.
 
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April 1, 2008, 10:27 pm PDT

04/01 The Superbug

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Hi,

I have had MRSA twice since I had a tummy tuck 2 years ago.  I still have swelling and pain in my stomach.  It feels like it burns on the inside all of the time.  I have pretty much been "sitting" for almost 2 years due to the swelling and I have had a PIC line in twice for 5  to 6 weeks at a time for the medication.  I don't know what I would have done without the great health insurance I have.  I still take pain pills and am not sure why I still have the swelling in the stomach area and the pain?  Anybody have any ideas of why?  I got the first MRSA infection when I still had the drainage tube in and the second one when  I developed a seroma and the hospital put a needle in to drain the fluid.  I had 105 degree temp and have some memory loss.

 

Thanks

Kathy Fox

  Hi,

  You mentioned burning. I think your burning is from your surgery. Pulling,  pinching, or  cut stomach muscles perhaps.  I had a hysterectomy 15 yrs. ago and from time to time get extreme burning pain when I move the wrong way or too quickly.  I got a cold right after going home from the hospital and a sudden sneeze caused me to move suddenly and pull & tear on the inside of my incision.Sitting around won't help tighten those muscles either.Strenghtening them might help some.

 I  also had MRSA last year but it started as a pimple/boil under my arm. I have no idea where I got it and am not yet fully recovered. Mine went from removal of a boil under my arm to pneumonia, then to the hospital & nearly dying all in a matter of 10 days.They tried several antibiotics until they found ones that worked. All kinds of different symptoms are still going on. Alot of skin irritations and rashes. And now I have asthma. Sometimes I wonder if some of the symptoms aren't caused by some of the meds they pumped into me. I am hoping to some day be back to normal. As for you, I don't think your ordeal is over yet either. It sounds like you need more medical attention.

 
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April 1, 2008, 10:42 pm PDT

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hi i have a 21 month old daughter who has had MRSA since she was 4 mos old (or at least thats when her first outbreak was). i have so many questions but i cant seem to be able to get any answers. has anyone ever been cured of mrsa? some doctors tell me she'll have it for the rest of her life, while others said she can grow out of it . i just want the truth, the cold hard scientific facts. unfortunately it seems that even the docs dont know much about MRSA. i've also tried to find out the latest treatments and what research is being done for potential cures but all i found was a bunch of outdated guidelines (which are quoted over and over again on ever website) . i am so afraid of loosing my baby. i feel so help less and alone. if it were up to me I'd have her at a specialist everyday trying to cure her, but the doctors have just sugarcoated the situation, they send her home with new antibiotics tell me to finish it all and hope for the best, but a month later theres another painful boil under her diaper and im crushed all over again. is there any hope for a cure, are there real efforts going on right now to find one or are those infected with mrsa today doomed while those tomorrow will be saved with a simple pill or shot. somebody please find a cure and soon! forgive me for the typos but my tears are flowing so hard i can barely see. im tired of pretending to be strong it feels good to be publicly weak even if only for a moment!
 
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April 1, 2008, 10:43 pm PDT

A message to Stephanie

  I just wanted to tell Stephanie, todays guest on the show , that I know exactly how she is feeling.  I had MRSA and was put in a hospital, treated like a disease with doctors and nurses coming in fully covered and people whispering "is that the one" to each other in the corner of my room, having guessing games going on with noone quite knowing what they were doing, and noone explaining to me what was going on. It was aweful. I nearly died.
 
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April 1, 2008, 10:46 pm PDT

MRSA ~ Everywhere

Hi, first I would like to say how sorry I am that everyone who has MRSA has it. I had a bump that I though was a spider bite come up on my abdomen and went to the dr when it kept getting bigger and sorer, my mother always taught me that if anything is red around it (wounds) and gets bigger then its something serious. I went to the DR and they cultured the spot and put me on antibiotics, two days later it had grown massivly and was so sore I thought I was gonna die. I called the DR to see if the results of my culture was in and the DR I had seen was off that day. A nurse called me back and said that my results were MRSA. I asked what I should do? She said take the meds and come back to the DR on Monday (this was a friday) anyhow Saturday eve I went to the ER and the DR there doubled my meds and told me to keep it bandaged up, and to clean my house with bleach and lysol and use hand sanitizer and wash my hands frequently reciting the alphabet before rinsing. I continued to work, being very careful not to shake anyones hands and washing my work area frequently with bleach and spraying lysol everywhere. I should buy stock in hand sanitizer, clorox and lysol. The redness started to receed, but the wound was still there and turning black, so my DR had to lance it, drain it, and remove a plug. after that it started to heal, over night it made a BIG difference. I was not given alot of information about MRSA but did my own research online and found out that using a soap called hibeclens, its what the surgons use to scrub up before surgery.  Keeping the wound(s) completely covered and getting lots of rest is key. I have several spots that come up all over my body but after starting Bactrim and Dytomicn (I think thats how its spelled) the smaller spots dried up. I had one that was bigger than the small ones and kept putting hot wash rags on it and it pulled the infection out of it.  With me, the big one on my abdomen got worse because I squeezed on it. My DR said not to squeeze them, and use the hot compresses to pull the infection out.

I work with the public, and the DR said I could have gotten this anywhere: a pen, paper, money, shopping cart, counter at work, store, home, school anywhere someone that is infected touched or could touch. I am hoping that once my wound heals that I wont have it anymore, but the more I read and the closer it gets to my antiboitocs running out the more nervous I get.

 

God Bess you all, and I wish everyone a speedy recovery.

 
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April 1, 2008, 10:55 pm PDT

Bird flu........

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Bird Flu will be the next care in America, I'm prepared, most folks are not prepared.
This really scares me! We've already been through mrsa so I'm not really panicked about it but I am scared about the bird flu because I know that this is a real possibility. If not bird flu then it will be some other form of virus that will cause a pandemic. I assume that you watch the same programs on TV like I do. It could be something as simple as a new strain of flu. There are a lot of really scary things out there. The drug makers and the governments of all countries don't want to put out the money to produce enough anti-viral medication in case of a pandemic which they pretty much know is going to happen so what the heck are we supposed to do? We try to stay prepared for disasters but some things are just going to be too big. You say that you are prepared, I would truly like to know what you mean. What have you done? A true pandemic is going to bring all commerce to a screeching halt across the world, most medication is manufactured in other countries, food supplies will dwindle, nobody will be working or have money to pay for their utilities if they are even still working. I'm on serious pain meds and couldn't live without them, the pain is way too severe (I'm disabled) and have a few other health problems and my husband is diabetic and has heart problems. What do we do when we can no longer get prescriptions? I'm truly frightened over this very real possibility. I would appreciate any feedback and suggestions. Thank you, Jewels
 
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April 1, 2008, 11:06 pm PDT

Dr. Ohhira's will kill it

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hi i have a 21 month old daughter who has had MRSA since she was 4 mos old (or at least thats when her first outbreak was). i have so many questions but i cant seem to be able to get any answers. has anyone ever been cured of mrsa? some doctors tell me she'll have it for the rest of her life, while others said she can grow out of it . i just want the truth, the cold hard scientific facts. unfortunately it seems that even the docs dont know much about MRSA. i've also tried to find out the latest treatments and what research is being done for potential cures but all i found was a bunch of outdated guidelines (which are quoted over and over again on ever website) . i am so afraid of loosing my baby. i feel so help less and alone. if it were up to me I'd have her at a specialist everyday trying to cure her, but the doctors have just sugarcoated the situation, they send her home with new antibiotics tell me to finish it all and hope for the best, but a month later theres another painful boil under her diaper and im crushed all over again. is there any hope for a cure, are there real efforts going on right now to find one or are those infected with mrsa today doomed while those tomorrow will be saved with a simple pill or shot. somebody please find a cure and soon! forgive me for the typos but my tears are flowing so hard i can barely see. im tired of pretending to be strong it feels good to be publicly weak even if only for a moment!
     They use Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics in Japan, as a protocol, pre and post surgery, to kill MRSA/staph, in hospitals. You can get it at your health store, or on line. Check out the Essential Formulas web site. They have the research that Dr. O has been doing for over 20 years. You can get the facts. It's nice to hear that someone wants to know the information, not just do what the doctor says. There is a soap and lotion that have the TH10 strain of bacteria that kill the superbugs. This 12 plus probiotic actually helps you build your own inherent bacteria. There's nothing else like it!  You can beat MRSA. This stuff has changed my life!
 
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