Topic : 04/01 The Superbug

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Created on : Friday, February 29, 2008, 01:21:15 pm
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Could a grave danger be lurking in your home? If you believe the headlines, you know that catching the Superbug can have deadly consequences, but should you be concerned? How can you spot the danger, and what can you do to stay safe? Dr. Phil gets to the bottom of these questions and others. Melissa's son, Mark, was just 13 when he went to the hospital and wound up with MRSA, also known as the Superbug. Learn about Melissa’s tragic loss and why she thinks her son’s death could have been prevented. Then, 19-year-old Stephanie has been battling the Superbug for almost a year. Get a firsthand account of her experience with the disease, and find out what advice her doctor gave her that has Dr. Phil shocked and concerned. Even doctors aren’t immune to the Superbug. Dr. Drew O’Neal had an accident while on vacation, and what happened next changed his life forever. He shares his valuable insights as both doctor and patient. Plus, two years ago, Glen was your average sophomore playing on his high school football team -- until he contracted the Superbug right from the team’s locker room. Find out what important lessons he learned that could help protect you and your children from the disease. And renowned pediatrician Dr. Jim Sears weighs in with the latest information and shows off products to keep on hand that could save your life. Join the discussion.

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April 3, 2008, 10:43 am PDT

Not all People in Medical professions minimize the threat of MRSA as many on the message boards are

Once one has MRSA, it can be deadly and I wouldn't risk treating it with oils. My spouse had MRSA last year and had five surgeries and multiple hospital stays and 7 weeks on vanco (one trip a day to the infusion clinic) before it was gone. Any cut, etc., in our home, gets treated immediately with Betadine. Not taking any chances.

Even scarier is the mutated staph which is resistant to ALL antibiotics. In other words, most will die from it. Not a fun thing to contemplate.

my family & i have mrsa. we have been battling this for going on 4 years now. my 8 year old son contracted mrsa from school. people don't realize exactly how dangerous this "superbug" really is. many cases are misdiagnosed as spider bites or skin allergies. WASH HANDS!!! antibacterial soap, bleach linens, hand sanitizer!!! everyone really needs to read this and become aware of this growing epidemic that can become fatal.

You Would never know you are infected until you become sick and MRSA can be very painful.

As a Registered Nurse who has had WAAAAAY too much experience working with MRSA patients, I can say that everyone needs to be concerned about this particular superbug, as well as VRSA (Vancomycin resistant Staph aureus) and VRE (Vancomycin resistant Enterococcus). Once seen only in health care facilities, MRSA is now making a large incursion into the community. Once colonized with this particular infection, it is generally with you for life. It has periods of dormancy after treatment, but stress or weakened immune systems can reactivate the infection. The fact that it is showing up with increasing frequency in schools and athletic organizations shows that the general public needs to be educated about the infection and what measures to take to make the best effort to avoid contracting it.

 
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April 3, 2008, 10:44 am PDT

A study finds a fast-spreading, drug-resistant staph

By ROB STEIN

LA TIMES-WASHINGTON POST

WASHINGTON — A dangerous

germ that has been spreading around

the country causes more life-threatening

infections than public health authorities

had thought and is killing

more people in the U.S. each year than

the AIDS virus, federal health officials

reported Tuesday.

The microbe, a strain of a once innocuous

staph bacterium that has become

invulnerable to first-line antibiotics,

is responsible for more than

94,000 serious infections and nearly

19,000 deaths each year, the federal

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

calculated.

Although evidence has been mounting

that the infection is becoming

more common, the estimate published

today in the Journal of the

American Medical Association marks

the first national assessment of the toll

from the insidious pathogen, officials

said.

“This is the first study that’s been

able to capture the data in a comprehensive

fashion,” said Scott Fridkin, a

medical epidemiologist at the CDC.

“This is a significant public health risk"

 
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April 3, 2008, 10:57 am PDT

If mesquitos can spread disease, I dont think it is too far fetched to believe it possible for spiders to do so

"n our experience, patients who presented with soft tissue infections as result of spider bites predominantly had methicillin-resistant S. aureus infections, corresponding to the increased incidence of MRSA reported in the community. Therefore, a more aggressive approach to the management of spider bites presenting with severe cellulitis is warranted. Routine treatment should include aggressive surgical debridement, intraoperative wound cultures, the empiric use of antibiotics with activity against MRSA, and adjustment of antimicrobial therapy based on culture and sensitivity data."

 

If soo many patients present with a "spider bite" at the onset of being diagnosed, can testing be done to see if spiders can transmit this viralant resistant staph? I know of someone who presented with a spider bite, you could actually see the two bite holes and they actually had the spider in a jar they found it between the mattress and the wall. They could not get anyone to listen or test the spider itself, they previously had NO MRSA ever. I read a study about soil and how most of it tests positive for bacteria, especialy s. aurus. Also in my research in our area the cases of soft tissue MRSA infections were higher durring the months when spiders are mating and more likely to be aggressive and bite. What does anyone think about this? if there is a concern about bird flu, Malaria from mosquitos, maybe there is a possible spread factor with actual spider bites?????

 
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April 3, 2008, 11:08 am PDT

Get Real

I am outraged !!!  I can't believe no one is holding the hospitals accountable for spreading this awful superbug. When I  recently went to visit my best friend in the hospital the nurse told me he has MRSA and VRE.  NO one coming in or out was wearing protective clothing or gloves or washed any equipment or their own hands!!!  I also took my daughter to the doctors office the other day and not the doctor or the nurses washed their hands before of after being in the room. 

People we have to speak up and say something.  Do you really want someone touching you that has touched 100 other sick people that day?  Do you want  medical equipment used on you when you don't know where it's been?  Let's get real!!!! We are all moaning and groaning over the high cost of health care and the care we are getting is laced with superbugs because someone doesn't feel like washing their hands 200 times a day or disinfecting the equipment properly!!!!! 

I understand the superbugs are not only found in the hospital, I understand the types, the schools are disinfecting and teaching the students what to do. Why aren't we speaking up and demanding the same for our doctors, nurses and all health care personnel?

People are suffering needlessly, people are DYING!!!!!

 

 
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April 3, 2008, 11:09 am PDT

Spreading of MRSA

It is sad to say, but the lack of education to the medical workers such as nurses, some Doctors, PA's and the Dr office staff is a likely culprit to the spread of this monster. When I was diagnosed they didnt call me and give me the precautions, the dos and donts ect. Just think how many go untreated or dont know to cover up these wounds and that they are in fact infectious. It is astounding what I have been reading and watching on TV. This is getting everywhere, and seems like the medical community are NOT taking it serious enough. I guess when someone of great importance gets it, then they will take notice and maybe try to address the severity of it.

I am healing, and really feel terrible complaining at all compared to some that have it so much worse than I do and thank God that my family does not have it. I have been telling everyone that I know how dangerous this is and how it is in the public. MRSA is definatly something that isnt going to just "go away" and its going to get worse because so many are walking around with the absence of knowlege, good hygene, and live in the delusional world of "it wont happen to me"

I hope that Dr. Phil doesnt just drop this, and has another show after more investigation, because he raised alot of points, but also left out alot. If this is becoming worse than AIDS then why in Gods name is someone, (NIH or something) doing more about it.

Thanks for reading, just needed to vent some more. God Bless!

 
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April 3, 2008, 11:46 am PDT

yes silver does work!

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 I don't have this particular superbug but, I do have chronic, resistant infection.  I have a rare autoimmune disease (or disorder) called necrobiosis lipoidica diabeticorum (NLD).  Though I am not diabetic, mine is a severe case of NL(D).  My lower legs look as if they have been horribly burned, and they ulcerate over and again.  It seems that each ulcer is more difficult to see healed than the last, with some ulcers having already remained open for well over a year.  It has reached the point where the ulcers seem to stay infected.

Modern medicine knows no cure for NL(D).  There aren't even any adequately effective treatments to hault the progression of NL(D) through modern medicine, or so it seems.  So I live with a certain amout of concern that I could loose leg or life to complications such as infection.  And in fact, I have had close calls.   Beginning in late  2005, I was started back on antibiotics for a staph infection called psuedomonas aeruginosa.  However, months of IV antibiotics failed to cure the infection.    I ended up becoming an experimental patient at a clinic, where I was given a type of silver (yeah, the metal) by IV.  I was essentially told by my doctor(s) there, that silver has long been known as an agent that isn't staph-germ friendly.

Along with treatment to improve the health of my compromised immune system, the silver was, as I said, given to me by IV at the clinic.  But, not even strong IV antibiotics and the silver, given internally, were enough to rid the ulcers themselves of the infection.   That, though I suspect that the combined treatments at the clinic did prevent the infection from going systemic and, I certainly came home feeling far more strength than I'd had when I arrived at the clinic some six weeks earlier.

The ulcers on my legs continued to enlarge.  I feared I would soon loose my legs to amputation and, based on comments he made to me at the time, so did my primary physician.  But even if I would survive surgery for amputation, my NL(D) degenerated skin does not heal well.  If I wasn't a candidate for skin graftsa few years earlier, I doubted I would heal well from a far more serious surgical wound.  I felt my last hope was to return to a specialist (in the case of NL(D) a dermatologist) to see if, by some answered prayer, technology had made any advancements since my last visit.

Lucky for me there had been advancements.  A dermatologist from a university hospital prescribed a silver dressing for the infected ulcers.  She explained to the effect that, antibiotics are an enemy to bacteria unless it becomes resistant to them but that, silver is an environment that most staph infection cannot survive contact with.  That leaves me wondering if it could work on wounds of THIS superbug as it did for me in the case of pseudomonas aeruginosa. 

Yet it might not matter if it would work, unless health insurance companies are willing to cover the cost of such dressings.  They are expensive.  Presently denied coverage of them by my current health insurance company, my legs are re-infected some other types of bacteria, and I suppose I am as worried as those of you who have the superbug.  I can really relate and you have my deepest sympathy.
I Had MRSA and my wound was packed with silver cell and It really helped the healing and kept the infection from getting worse!
 
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April 3, 2008, 12:50 pm PDT

school bus's and infection


It is time a school bus was included in the list of places that should be kept cleaner..
I drove a bus for 22 years and you could not believe the things I found in and around the seats that students had been sitting in.
Spit, vomit, food, blood, snot, smaller children soiled the seats sometimes..
Many many drivers never santitize the seats. And students return to sit in those seats day after day without them ever being properly cleaned..
It is illegal to keep anything on the bus to clean the seats with also..So even when those of us that keep the seats wiped down. Had to wait until we were in a place that we could bring cleaning liquids or sprays onto the bus. That would be when no students were or would be present.
Up until we started having problems with super bugs it was just a icky situation for those of us that tried to keep seats as clean as possible..But now with so much at stake there should be more interest in what might be on the seat of the school bus, as well as on a locker or desk inside the school.
 
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April 3, 2008, 1:05 pm PDT

What is the difference?

  What is the difference between Resistant staphyloccus and Susceptible staphyloccus.. I understand it to be that the resistant type does not fight off the disese but the susceptible does. Is this ture?

 
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April 3, 2008, 1:36 pm PDT

overuse of antibiotics should be discussed also especially in our food sources

Antibiotics are our last line of defenSe in treating some lifethreatening conditions. We make antibiotics less effective for when we really need them when they are used soo needlessly. For instance in our food supply many of our farmers overuse them in all meat and dairy farming. You may not even realize your children and you are ingesting antibiotics daily through the meat and dairy products you are eating.

 

These antibiotics when ingested have an effect on good and bad bacterias. Often time you kill or weaken your bodies natural flora and fauna, your first line of defense against invading bad bacteria. Then also everytime you introduce antibiotics needlessly you are educating the bad bacteria, it mutates, or learns how to "resist" that antibiotic, thus becoming the "superbug". These superbugs are evolving at a far faster rate than we can develope new effective and stronger antibiotics and it leaves us in a life or death struggle in wich the bacteria is winning, all of the posts of people who have sadly passed away because of MRSA can prove this.

 

So read read read, be careful about allowing doctors to "needlessly" perscribe antibiotics to pacify sick patients wanting a "quick fix", when time might just be the awnser. Also check the labels on the foods you are bringing home, dont buy meat or dairy that doesnt say "antibiotic and hormone free".

 

 Also As important as it is to "disinfect" 'sterilize" and try and use "antibacterial"  remember you can lower your bodies own natural defences by trying to kill the nasty bad bacteria. By having a completely sterile environment all the time the moment you are introduced to a bad bacteria it is going hit you like a ton of bricks because you have inadvertantly wiped out your defences.

 

You have to let your own body build up a resistance and be able to fight off the inevitable bacteria IT WILL be exposed to, we cannot live in a bubble, or becoming  OCD could also fuel the spread and lower our resistance as well. Can I suggest EDUCATION, RESEARCH,  BALANCE, and MODERATION when you are being proactive against MRSA. 

 
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April 3, 2008, 1:49 pm PDT

WOW

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I am sending this message on behalf of my husband.  This is what he wrote to the disability office which we still are fighting.

 

On January 13, around 6:00 pm, I was admitted to W*** Med due to pneumonia (as a result of punctured lung December, 2005). The Paramedics and Fire Department arrived and assessed my condition, my blood pressure was very high and breathing was unstable. I was given oxygen and also given benadryil for the allergic reaction that I was still having from the Vicodin. I was taken to theW*** Medical Emergency room via Rescue Squad and tests were done. At approximately 8:30 pm it was determined that my lungs were filling up with fluid. The Doctors put a chest tube in my left side to drain the fluid from the lungs. Shortly after this procedure was done, improvement was made. Once I was stabilized in the ER, I was then transferred to a room in the step down unit. I appeared to be doing better, but was very tired and had not had any good rest since I punctured my lung December (car accident). At approximately 12:30 the next morning, I was given some adavan to help rest. Shortly after receiving this medication, breathing became unstable, blood pressure went up and I started talking off the wall stuff. My nurse (Violet) called the doctor to let him know that my condition had deteriorated, that she believed I was having an allergic reaction to the adavan and felt that I should be moved to the intensive care unit. The doctor was not in agreement at this time; however around 3:00 am I was moved to the intensive care unit. While there, I was treated for pneumonia, blood clot to the leg, tear around the spleen, and was having issues with major organs throughout my body which resulted in me being intubated. Approximately two weeks into the ICU I had to have a trach inserted because breathing was still labored and I developed an Infection (which we later were told was MRSA) and was given Vancomycin. I stayed in ICU for approximately 4 weeks which most of that time was so heavily sedated that I slept all the time.


After I started to get some strength back, I was moved to a step down unit at W*** Med. At this time, I received all three therapies to help get back to some normalcy. My leg was monitored for nerve damage due to the lack of being positioned properly while in ICU. I was discharged fromW*** Med 02/22/2006. The direct result of the nerve damage to my leg was not told to us until much later when a Neurologist examined me. Because I had to be out of work for such a long period of time and they were not certain regarding my prognosis, I lost my job. We were not eligible for FMLA because I had not worked an entire year. My wife was forced to pay COBRA payments in order to maintain insurance which I so desperately needed. This was very expensive.


I went for therapy 10 times for strength training and help rejuvenate the nerves in my left leg. The therapist told me that I might never be at 100% with that leg. I was fitted for a leg brace and am required to wear it when I walk. I had to have assistance with a walker at first but now can walk with the brace without a walker.


April 17, 2006 I was again taken to Emergency Room at W*** Med for severe back pain. After several test, it was determined that I had an infection in my spine around the 8th and 9th vertebrae. This infection was the same one I had while in intensive care. I then had to undergo extensive IV therapy (antibiotics-Vancomycin) for six weeks to try to stop the source of the infection. The infection was MRSA which I obtained in the ICU atW*** Med. They thought the infection had gone away but it was either dormant or came back. I was being treated for the infection by Dr. Brenner at Raleigh Infection.


In May, I was sent back to W*** Med for severe back pain and it was then determined that although the infection had finally left my body, it had done considerable damage to the spine. This was the cause of the pain.


The orthopedic surgeon then scheduled me for Back Surgery and he did an infusion of the spine and took a rib out to help mend the back along with a metal brace. This was done June 24, 2006.


My job experience the majority of my adult life has been labor intensive. I have done heating/air conditioning, plumbing, carpentry, all around Maintenance. This is all I know. It was determined that I will not be able to do this type of work again. I cannot walk, stand or sit for long periods of time without significant pain in my back and leg. I am unable to engage in substantial gainful activity on a regular and continued basis. This prevents me from being able to engage in any type of work even if I could find anyone to hire me with my medical history. The MRSA infection had deteriorated my spine around the 8th and 9th vertebra which resulted in the surgery.


How did all this come out for your husband....just curious to know.  Hope all is well!
 
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