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Topic : 03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

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Don’t miss Dr. Phil’s exclusive interview with Brianna Denison's mother who is speaking out for the first time since her daughter's body was found. Nineteen-year-old Brianna made headlines when she was kidnapped while she slept on a friend's couch. Brianna's killer – an alleged serial rapist -- is still on the loose in Reno, NV. And, a controversial issue is heating up the headlines: Where should registered sex offenders live when they’re released from prison? Residents of Long Beach, California say not in their neighborhood. They’re outraged that an apartment building is allegedly housing 13 registered sex offenders, and the building owner is reportedly receiving $1,000 per month to house them. Former tenants, James and Getania, were disgusted to learn that the sex offenders were living in their building, and local residents weren’t happy either. Dawna owns several properties near the apartment complex. She says she’s losing tenants and the sex offenders are stalking others. Then, Jake Goldenflame, a registered sex offender who was convicted of molesting his daughter and young boys over 25 years ago, says he's still attracted to teenage boys, but says people like him have no resources and need to live somewhere. What does Dr. Phil think? Should the sex offenders be forced to leave the community, or should their neighbors just learn to live with them? If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Join the discussion.

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March 7, 2008, 1:26 pm PST

sex offenders

I truly agree about the issue with sex offenders. Those cases that involve children, rape, stalking or any violence are cause for concern . The only concern I have are the "young and dumb" boys of 17 to 21 that stupidly date a girl that is underage ( or gender visa versa- no discrimination) and pay for that by having to register as a sex offender for 10+ years. I know this happens as my beloved son-in-law of 4 years is one of those. He was 18, dating a 15 year old girl with the parents permission but someone notified the authorities and he was arrested and convicted of "contributing to the delinquency of a minor -lewd acts". He has less than 1 year to continue to registed and has to renew his drivers license annually that has big red letters of "Sex Offender". I have read the court transcripts and know all of the situation to be correct. He has paid triple for being dumb and does not deserve it. If it had been anything more- he would not be my son-in-law. He lived with me for several years and my neighbors, upon received notification, acting awful, until they realized the situation. He is a wonderful person and treats my daughter with respect but is still being penalized. Thank you for listening!!!! 
 
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March 7, 2008, 1:29 pm PST

03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

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I totally agree with you.  If these people want to stick labels on these offenders, let's put the labels on all of the criminals.  When you go out to your boss' Christmas party and get pulled over for a DUI, let's post your picture on the web.  Or you and your spouse get into a domestic dispute, let's plaster your faces on the internet for all your neighbors to see.  Sound ridiculous?  Well that's how stupid it is to post people pics and info on the internet if they aren't sexual predators.  There is a big difference between an offender and a predator or pediphile. Somewhere along the line there has to be a change in the legal  system that says that if you are arrested for something like sexual assault, or exposing your parts in public, that you don't have to register everywhere you go.  If society is going to judge everyone, then let's put all the boozers on one block, the hippocrits on another, the adulterers on another, and so on and so on.  Also, if you are so worried about your child being kidnapped or molested,  then watch them more closely and stop leaving them alone while you and your friends chit chat or whatever.
I routinely check online in our area and surrounding areas to keep up with the registered sex offenders. Yes, not all are child offenders, some are "just" offenders. My thought is, the dating community has the right to know who these men are because they may come across them in a social situation. Also, the rest of us have the right to know if there is a convicted rapist or flasher living in an area near us. Someone like this could possibly offend again. I have to believe you are either an offender yourself or you know someone who is.
 
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March 7, 2008, 1:29 pm PST

Sex Offender Next Door

This show brought back so many emotions for me.  Three years ago a man bought the home across the street from us in Oregon.  It was a middle class home in a nice neighborhood on a cul-de-sac with fourteen children under the age of 13.   This man had plans to move 8 sex offenders into the home but only got six in there (at least four of the six had commited crimes against minors) before we stopped him.  We only found out what was going on through a friend.  They were under no obligation by law to tell us.  When we found out that the man had 12 more homes in the area (one next to a school), we pushed for a law that would restrict how many offenders could occupy the same dwelling.  When I testified for the HB3419, one lawmaker asked why we should pass a law for one isolated case.  I told them then that this issue would become bigger than one neighborhood, one city ,or one state.   Luckily the law passed both the house and senate and was signed into law in Oregon.  We have moved out of the state but I encourage everyone to become involved in issues that they feel are important in their area.   Having said all that, we were also very active in not approaching the situation with a mob mentality and discouraged any such behavior from other neighbors.   Finally, I wanted to point out that the issue with registries is that often men move around quicker than the registries can be updated.  Just becasue your area doesn't have registered sex offenders does not mean sex offenders aren't around.  It is always a good idea to keep an eye on anyone who has access to your children. 

 

 
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March 7, 2008, 1:31 pm PST

Sex Offenders

I am 59 years of age.  I was sexually molested at the age of three.  Therefore, I have very strong feelings about sex offenders.  I believe they should be permanently locked up.  I would rather for my tax dollars to

pay for permanent incareration than pay them to be free and subsidize a property owner.

 

I wonder how many law makers would want these offenders in close proximity of their homes,

children or grandchildren. 

 

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March 7, 2008, 1:33 pm PST

Sex offenders in Canada

In Canada we do not have a public sex offenders registry... We ahve to cross our fingers and hope our children are safe. Our only way of help with this is to Know the name of the person, first and last and what and when they were charged inorder to find out there conditions. However by that time you know they are a sex offender. we all know no matter what you cannot cure this it is an illness, honestly if you rob a child of there innocence or anyone for that matter you should be left to rot the rest of your days in jail. They do not deserve freedome because these children are traped within ther lives and situation to some degree for the rest of there lives.
 
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March 7, 2008, 1:35 pm PST

How do you define

  Something I always wondered. How do you define sex offender? The reason I ask is this. My son had sex with a girl who not only told him she was 17 but also had a state issued  ID saying she was 17, He was 18. Well low and behold she was 13, Where did she get the ID. her mother who was serving time for possession of CDS . Mom got her the ID before she was picked up. See it was easier that way, Then the daughter could drive and run errands for mommy while she was wasted. Needless to say my son is now a registered "sex offender"  The sad part was at 13 the DA knew her by name. Why? because my son was not the first man she lied to, slept with, then cried rape. BUT Because of the way the law is written he is the bad guy. So tell me. What now? his life is not worth a plug nickle. What about these girls who pull this kind of stuff? Shouldn't she be a registered something?
 
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March 7, 2008, 1:37 pm PST

SEX OFFENDERS

I WISH THEY WOULD GIVE A LITTLE MORE INFO ABOUT THE OFFENSE.  WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1ST,2ND, AND 3RD DEGREES.   ALSO IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF THE OFFENSE WAS PREDATORY IN NATURE.  WAS IT AN UNDER AGE GIRLFRIEND OR BOY FRIEND, THAT ALBEIT MAY BE WRONG,  ( I DON'T MEAN SOMEONE WHO IS 40 SEEING A 12 YEAR OLD, BUT MAYBE A 16 YEAR OLD DATING A 19 YEAR OLD) ,BUT ISN'T SOMEONE WHO IS A TRUE MENACE TO MY FAMILY.  THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO KNOW IF SOMEONE IS A TRUE THREAT TO YOUR FAMILY, OR SOMEONE WHO YOU MAY JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF AND KEEP AN EYE ON.   ALSO WAS IT A FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS INVOLVED OR PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE FAMILY.  I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO KNOW HOW MUCH MY FAMILY IS AT RISK.  I AM NOT TRYING TO EXCUSE ANY OF THEIR BEHAVIOR, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS THIS PERSON  A THREAT TO ME AND MINE. 
 
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March 7, 2008, 1:40 pm PST

People need to know they are everywhere, Doc!

Dr.Phil,

You (and others in the media) are telling people to worry about these registered sex offenders.  Well, Doc, they are everywhere and they don't get registered unless they are convicted.  The D.A. in my county is a politician through and through.  All he cares about is his win ratio for trials.  Therefore, he rarely brings anybody to trial.  He releases those charged with sex crimes and those we refer to as baby rapers after a mere few days in jail.  I have seen the same men charged with new cases at least yearly for baby raping.  If the D.A. had gone forward with the charges the scumbags would have been in prison for at least a few years and caused fewer victims.  For those that do make it back to court after the arraignment, they often drop all the charges related to sex crimes if they plea to endangering the welfare of a child.  Well, you don't become a registered sex offender for endangering.  That's why the D.A. does it.  I know what I'm talking about because I have been with the Sheriff's Office for almost 20 years.  Doc, you need to tell society that there are scumbags everywhere and they need to protect their children and teach their children to protect themselves.  My children know that I don't believe in this registered list because I know for a fact that there are many more than the list leads us to believe.  A little healthy paranoia never killed anybody.  But, a sex offender that is not registered because there is no conviction...well, they kill physically and emotionally.  Please, everyone, take care and be safe!

 
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March 7, 2008, 1:46 pm PST

mother of sex offender

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I don't believe your son is a sex offender. I don't think anyone who is tricked or lied to in a situation like that is. I also don't believe two teens having sex should label one as a sex offender. It's unfortunate that your son is dumped into the category with the real criminals. I believe when people mention punishments for sex offenders they are referring to the sick people preying on small children and abusing our youth. The kids pretending to be older than they are should face consequences. It's not right nor is it justice for them to get away with what they are doing. The ruin Innocent people's lives and don't have to own up to what they've done.

I too am the mother of a convicted sex offender. I am glad people are starting to see that there may be some miscarriage of justice in labeling sex offenders. John Stossel is going to do a show on this very subject next week, it should be interesting.

 

When this happened to our family, we went to the extreme of hiring a private detective, as well as a psychiatrist, who was in charge of the State Mental Health Hospital System, to let us know if our son was truly a sex offender, and what the real story was. As a victim of sex abuse myself, I needed to know if he was a threat to others, as the pain of sex assault lives with a person for the rest of their lives. It was so very important for us to know the truth.

 

The psychiatrist came back with that our son was using drugs, but he felt he was in no way a danger to girls (or boys) at any age, or women, that he was not a sexual predator, rapist, or child molester in any way. He thought it was the situation itself and he was not in the category to re-offend. The detective came back with yes, there were drugs, but what had happened in the story was true, that our son had been deceived into believing these 2 young ladies were of age. He discovered they belonged to a club of girls who went out purposefully to lure and have sex with older men. The older the male, the more points you got or some such thing.

 

Here's a short explanation of his story. He went with a friend to a pool hall/bar one evening. There were two girls in there and they had wrist bands on, showing they were of age, 18, to be in there, but too young to drink. The girls showed pictures of themselves all dolled up and enjoying each other's company in lingerie. We saw these pictures as well and we could not believe their actual ages. They did not look or act like minors! The photographs were of them doing adult behaviors. This of course was a complete turn on for our son who was 21, shortly (within a week or so) to be 22. They ran into each other again, and they decided to give him a young man's dream come true for a birthday present. This was their "gift" to him. They all smoked pot, bought by the girls, but he had driven them to get it. As it turned out, one girl was going to be 16 in 1 month (her mother was a deputy-sheriff, but lost her job for doing an illegal activity herself that I found out about and reported) and a 14 year old that we found out had been the unfortunate victim of incest and had been to bed with more men than most adult women!  After the birthday "gift," the 14 year old, arriving home late, accused our son of rape. Those charges were quickly dropped when the truth was discovered. The mother and step father then wanted the case dropped and they too were told no way. Our son did not have to go to prison, we think the Judge must have thought it was ridiculous too, but it was an election year and there was a deputy's daughter involved, so he got probation which he successfully completed.

 

We did and do hold him accountable. He should have never been using drugs, and he should have gotten to know them better before having sex with them. We had never bailed him out of jail as we had always told our children if you have put yourself in that position, we would not bail them out. So, he did stay in jail for a lengthy stay, but at least it wasn't prison.

 

The pool hall/bar? A deal was made if they closed, no charges would be pressed for admitting minors! No one knew if the girls had been drinking or not, and the kids weren't telling. It closed. No charges were filed. Small town politics-not what you know but who you know. Apparently while the sheriff was out "protecting" the streets, her daughter was a regular visitor to the pool hall/bar!

 

The girls? No charges for this. They had a stack of charges, but they were told if our son were to plead guilty, all charges would be dropped against them concerning this case. Of course he plead guilty versus going to trial when in that state there are no exceptions to the law, intent, deceitfulness, and behavior, on the part of the girls would not be allowed as evidence. The 16 year old ended up at a boot camp several months later. She had shacked up with a 26 year old right after boot camp. The 14 year old? We saw her, not even a week after our son's conviction, running into the arms of an adult male-had to be in his late 20's, she jumped on him and straddled him in a public parking lot! We tried to warn him. And so their behavior continued! Both we found out later had been in trouble numerous times with the law before this incident even happened.

 

Our son? He has completed probation. During probation he had been living in a mobile home that was rotten and the walls were literally melting, it was infested with mold. He kept the curtains closed so he would never see a child that happened to walk by. It was extreme. He became a different person. The sex offender meetings were very hard on him as he had to meet with other offenders and what he learned would make him so angry, sick to his stomach, and frightened for children. He is glad that is over, but he will never forget what he heard. He has never shared what he heard and maybe it is a good thing. From what I observed, I think the mandatory therapy (especially in some states where they carry it on for the rest of their lives) is another farce and a way for some people to get very rich and no real help is given, but that is another story. Our son will be registered for the rest of his life, jobs are hard to come by and the ones he does get do not pay well, and places to live are even harder. His life is difficult to say the least. He has zero self value, He can't get a "normal" apartment, and his picture is hanging on walls of local preschools, people freak-out when they find out. He was married and has a son. It turned out to be a lot for the wife, not having a decent place to live, having his picture, and their address, car, employment, all plastered on the Internet. They couldn't have a babysitter to have a normal night out, can't join clubs, can't go to the swimming pool with his son for lessons, will never be able to help with a school, sport, or scout activity with his son, the list goes on.

 

Me? It almost destroyed me. I went to a deep dark place for a very long time.  Although I am better, I have withdrawn a lot now. I have cut off most relationships with friends. When they talk about the success of their children, it is naturally going to come my way. What would I say?

 

What is amazing to me is that if a child, at 14 chooses to shoot someone they will be charged as an adult and go to prison for premeditated murder, but at 14 if they choose to have sex they are a child! What a flippin' double standard.

 

Not all sex offenders are evil incarnates of Satan. I am sick of hearing about how they should all be categorized as demons and left to rot. That being said, unfortunately, there are some in our society that do want to hurt children and we do need to figure out what to do about them, but we better figure out a civilized way or it will only get worse. If they don't have a place to live they will live on the street. If they don't have a job, they will live off of welfare, or break into homes to steal so they can sell the goods.

 

I think we need to drop all "offenders" from the list who have not harmed a person. I am talking about people who have peed too many times in the alley, or have run naked through their school or at a concert (that used to be funny when we were in high school-we called it streaking) or even hung their rumps out a window-(we called it mooning)-disgusting yes, but not a sex offender by any means!

 

Then there are the grayer areas like our son and literally hundreds if not thousands of other young men. Should we destroy their lives? This was, although not smart-and deceitful on the part of the girls, consensual sex. He was wrong, but not to the extent of the punishment. Should the guys like this be monitored for a period of time? Probably, but then drop it, off their record, off the Internet, unless it happens again. A police only site could be maintained for this purpose.

 

Then there are those who hunt down children or women like prey. The children are complete innocents.  These people, and they are people, are going to be harder but we have to deal with them. They should be monitored for life, maybe ankle bracelets, and strict rules. Depending on the crime, maybe they should stay in prison for the rest of their lives, either way we will pay for it. Maybe the best thing is to collect data, find out what makes these people tick. Help families when they are young-although most people would never go seek help for their child in this day and age for fear of our system. 

 

We need to convict people carefully. Each case should be individual, not a lump conviction. It should be decided by professionals if someone is a threat and should be posted on the Internet, not come one, come all. All the facts of the case, including the history of the girls should be told to the Judge.(not in a jury situation and it should be a closed court session, but the Judge should know.) We need people who do not have alliterative motives to really look into this and come up with some solutions, but that would take time and money. These are not easy problems or questions, but fear is not going to help solve the problem, if anything, it will only serve to make things worse. I know TV sells well when it is a "fear" subject, and we even elect our officials, our President, from fear, but in reality  history has shown that it doesn't work well to run a society on fear.

 

 

 
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March 7, 2008, 1:48 pm PST

where do you want them to live???

 I am slightly upset  my husband is a RSO  because of of a veryminor offense, which because of todays "whatever" has been blown out proportion, and he deserves the right to come home to live without all the hype this show is giving  not all RSO are child molestors, rapist and so on  you need to check WHAT  the offense is before you get all worked up    As for what to do with the rapists and child molestors  put THEM on Alcatraz not every RSO
 
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