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Don’t miss Dr. Phil’s exclusive interview with Brianna Denison's mother who is speaking out for the first time since her daughter's body was found. Nineteen-year-old Brianna made headlines when she was kidnapped while she slept on a friend's couch. Brianna's killer – an alleged serial rapist -- is still on the loose in Reno, NV. And, a controversial issue is heating up the headlines: Where should registered sex offenders live when they’re released from prison? Residents of Long Beach, California say not in their neighborhood. They’re outraged that an apartment building is allegedly housing 13 registered sex offenders, and the building owner is reportedly receiving $1,000 per month to house them. Former tenants, James and Getania, were disgusted to learn that the sex offenders were living in their building, and local residents weren’t happy either. Dawna owns several properties near the apartment complex. She says she’s losing tenants and the sex offenders are stalking others. Then, Jake Goldenflame, a registered sex offender who was convicted of molesting his daughter and young boys over 25 years ago, says he's still attracted to teenage boys, but says people like him have no resources and need to live somewhere. What does Dr. Phil think? Should the sex offenders be forced to leave the community, or should their neighbors just learn to live with them? If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Join the discussion.

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March 8, 2008, 2:36 pm PST

03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

Quote From: trlemay

I am the mother of a sex offender...I'll explain, my son at the age of 19 ( by one month) met a girl on MySpace whom he thought was 21.  She had posted 21, she looked 18, I think. They got together after chatting online several times.  He has always liked girls a few years older than him...he asked questions such as "where's your car"  she replied, "it's in the shop", he made other comments and asked other things, she had a reply that would validate her age of 21.  They were together consensually twice.  This girl has been dating a 23 year old and others, my son just happened to be the one to admit to knowing her and being with her, he didn't think anything of it when questioned by the authorities.  This girl was actually 14, her father is an investigator the the local sheriff's dept.  My son is sitting in jail with a whole bunch of young guys in this same situation, he is also sitting in jail with a man that sexually abused his own 4 year old daughter, older men who have forced themselves on young girls within the same age of the girl that my son was with.  I ask why do we place ALL of these people in the same bucket and label them the same?  My thoughts are that the sex offenders have different classifications for the degree of the offense.  Do you agree?  I thought the same as all of you who have expressed your thoughts and feelings as to where they should live and how "they" should be treated by society.  I thought those thoughts until I walked in the shoes of the mother of a sex offender.  I can't express the hurt that I feel, not for me, but for my son and the other kids that do have the scarlet letter forever stamped on their forehead.  Where does my son live when he gets out, where does he work, is banning sex offenders from neighborhoods discrimination, is it fair?  This "girl" that I speak of is still advertising herself on MySpace, with the same age of 21 posted, with the same picture that makes her look pretty close to the age she has posted.  Her life didn't stop, her life didn't change, she's not locked up for entrapment or lying or changing my son's life forever.  What's fair about that 
I 100% agree with you.  I have a loved one who is incarcerated.  He isn't in for a sex related crime, however, before he was incarcerated I had no idea about the differences when someone is considered a sex offender.  Before, I was naive as I think most of the population is.  I probably didn't even care because I didn't know anyone who was a convicted sex offender and was just clueless as to the retarded laws that are in place.  Most of us don't care if it doesn't involve us.  For instance, many people don't know that a person with a very small amount of crack gets far more time than someone who has 4 or 5 xs more cocaine.  Laws have recently changed though to fix this problem.  But, back to your situation.  I had no idea before dealing w/the prison system that someone could get so much time for having consensual sex with someone they thought was of legal age to consent.  Girls nowadays look much older than their chronological age.  I 100% believe that your son thought this young lady was 21.  Why wouldn't he?  I think the girls should get charged w/some crime as well.  I don't think they should be imprisoned but they need to learn that they can't go around saying they're older than they really are and young men are spending time in prison over some bs and wasting tax payers dollars.  Also, I had no clue that you could be considered a sex offender for urinating in public.  I, myself, have done so years and years ago.  You know, one of those drunken nights where you can't find a bathroom to save your lfie.  What's also so stupid and crazy is that different states have different legal ages of consent.  How in the hell does that make sense?  In one state it might be okay for someone to have sex with a 15 year old and in another 14?!?  And then to make matters worse, a child can be charged @ 14 as an adult in the court of law but in most states he/she doesn't have the right to consent to sex?  Wow.  Can we say "doesn't make sense?"  People who rape, molest, and inappropriately touch someone who doesn't want to be touched should be considered a sex offender.  I was 14 at one point.  I had the hugest crush on an 18 year old.  I knew back then that if I was sexually active (which I wasn't), I was able to determine if I wanted to have sex or not.  We have 14 year olds all over the country raising children (which I think is terrible by the way, I'm not condoning this) but 14 year olds can't consent to have sex?  I just don't get this country and it's backward laws.  I have so much empathy for people like yourself and your son solely because I've read many stories like yours.  Society causes you and your son to think of yourself as something you aren't . . . your son ( a sex offender) and yourself (mother of a sex offender).  Don't believe that sweetie.  Life isn't fair sometimes.  I tell all of my brothers, if you have sex with a girl, make sure you go through every avenue to validate that girls age.  Sometimes a roll in the hay just aint worth it.  I wish you and your son happiness in the years to come.  Try not to let all of this get you down. 
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:03 pm PST

Thank you for the watchdog link

I have sent it on to as many people as I know.  I had no idea it was so prevalent.  Stay safe.
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:17 pm PST

03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

Quote From: beckyknapp

I  can't believe what I'm reading, you people really have no idea what you are talking about.
One of my friends, as a drunken joke, mooned some people who were walking by his
frat house.
A 4.0 pre-med student on a full academic scholarship, never in trouble.
and now a registered sex offender.
and a note for you idiots...
HE DOESN"T KIDNAP AND RAPE CHILDREN
HE DOESN"T STALK WOMEN IN DARK ALLEYS
and most importantly,
he doesn't deserve to be put on a deserted island.
grow up.
Many people on this message don't necessarily need to grow up but become better informed.  I don't think many people know that you can be considered a sex offender for mooning or urinating in public.  Yes people.  It's true.  We have so many laws in place that make no sense and most people are so naive to them if you've never had any personal experience or know someone in a situation like the quoted poster.  Before a loved one of mine was incarcerated and he began to tell me stories of people in the visiting room (convicted sex offenders), I was just as naive as some of the posters here.  My loved one isn't in for a sex offense but I have compassion for people when I know their situation isn't fair.  Lumping your friend and someone who urinates in public in the same category as a predator who rapes is so unfair.  It's a shame.   I know of a police officer (well former now since he's a convicted sex offender) who had a relationship w/a 15 or 16 year old.  Can't remember.  Anyway, because he's an officer, the legal age of consent isn't the same for him as it is the general public because he's in a "position of authority."  I agree with a previous poster who stated, ignorance of the law is no excuse.  He should know the law.  And for that, he lost his job and has been in prison for the past 2 years and will most likely be denied parole when he goes up.  All I'm saying is, how is it okay to have sex with the teenager if he's just an everyday joe but since he's an officer, it's not okay.  Is she able to consent or not?  God bless America. 
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:17 pm PST

Sleazeballs selling Megan's Law info

The correct Megan’s Law website that was given for California on the March 7th show is www.meganslaw.ca.gov. But when I mistakenly entered the URL www.meganslaw.com/ca.gov, I found a website where sleazeballs are trying to sell the same info that’s given for free above. And it’s also given for free at www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp. I’m pretty sure I first got this last website from your show a few years back. (Unless I got it from Oprah?)
Sincerely,Joan H., Sunnyvale, CA
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:18 pm PST

from a victom

I was molested when I was 5 by an older man (around 65) and it effected me rather greatly. If there was a sex offenders registry then (1986) then what happened to me could have been prevented. My mother did every check she could to make sure that I was safe,including making sure that there was no man in the house. It was due to the sneekyness and betrayle of my babysitter hiding that man in her house that I was put in danger. I am very happy that sex offenders are marked and outed.

 

On the other note: I had an associate that was in the position of most boys now and days, where they slept with someone who lied about their age.It was his fault, no matter what he said. If you are old enough to buy ciggaretts, then you are old enough to check id, talk to the family and see if the girl you sleep with is up to par. If we all use a little common sense then idiotic stuff like that would'nt happen.

 

I have children of my own now and cannot possibly imagine what my mom went through when it happened to me. I pray everyday that they are safe and secure. The comment that sent me through the roof was when the sex offender said that when he told his nieghbor she delt with it! what the hell!

 

He expected for people to just deal with a perverted monster like him, especially if they have children. Even though he was telling the truth, we all do not have to take it.The difference between the insane and sane is that the sane will think of a evil thought and not do it. The insane will have the same thoughts and do it!

 

I beg you to all parents please know everyone who is around youre child and never falsely accuse someone for your own gain.

 
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March 8, 2008, 3:27 pm PST

03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

Quote From: tobyhannabill

I've been monitoring this website and there seems to be an overwhelming amount of responses in defense of the people accused:

Oh, he was just mooning someone.

Oh, he didn't know she was only fourteen.

Oh, he was drunk.

Oh, she was a slut anyway.

Oh, Oh , Oh!!!!

The fact of the matter is that sexual behavior is supposed to be something that takes place between two consentual adults.  Not a 19 year old with a 15 year old regardless of her experience or actions.  Not a man with a young girl at a drunken frat party.  Not misguided actions due to mental illness on anyones part.  The person to be held responsible is the adult.  If you are incapable for making an adult decision to have sex you should be held responsible.  If the people around you know that you have this affliction (and I call it an affliction because you apparently can not help yourself) they should be held responsible as well.

I would not put my infant into the hands of an epileptic whos violent seizures were triggered by flashing lights in the middle of a disco.  No offense to epileptics but things are as they are.  I know you feel sorry for the accused, because they are your friends and loved ones, but the fact is  they are guilty of extremely poor judgement at the least..  I am almost 50 and throughout my life I have been hit on by, what I am sure have been, people underage I have never found myself in the position to go along with anything that stupid or irresponsible.  And I have been drunk, high, intoxicated, and depressed.  So stop making excuses for the bad behavior of others.  Because if it hasn't happened to your kids you are lucky.  And if it has and you excuse it YOU ARE A FOOL.

 

I wonder would your thoughts change if some of the scenarios you painted happened to someone you loved.  Lets say your son mooned someone because of a stupid bet @ a frat party.  You'd still feel the same way if he went to prison and was required to register as a sex offender?  Or, if your daughter went to a party and there was no restroom insight so she went in an alley for a quick second and handled her business.  You'd still feel the same way if she was required to report to a probation officer, attend sex offender classes w/people who raped and molested young children, and ultimately had to register as a sex offender.  You'd be okay with that?  If you are, you're the fool.  I don't know anyone who is a registered sex offender but I too, like you, was pretty much naive and judgmental w/o knowing how our goofy laws are truly exaggerated, cost us tons of money, and really shatter many people's lives.  My loved one is incarcerated, not for a sex offense but he has told me many stories of people labeled as a sex offender for some of the reasons you stated in your post.  I was initially in disbelief.  But, it's true.  Be informed.  & Tell those in your family about situations such as these so you won't end up like some on this board in support of their sex offender. 
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:41 pm PST

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Quote From: gwarrior6

 

Where did you get your statistics on the current recidivism rates? Just curious.  Any examples of legislation that doesn't protect anyone or isn't enforceable?   I just want to look into it for myself.  Thanks.

My post isn't directed towards your post necessarily.  I just wanted to speak on the low recidivism rates.  I 100% don't believe the low recidivism rates.  I've read that many of the statistics come from self-reporting.  I highly doubt many convicted sex offenders are going to admit to present or recent offenses.  Thus, the reason for low recidivism rates.  Also, I don't believe for a second that so many people who have sexual desires for children are able to simply resist temptation.  I believe that it is possible for a sex offender to never re-offend.  All I'm saying is the whole 4-6% is so grossly underestimated.  Changing the way a pedophile thinks and reprogramming his/her brain is like reprogramming me to believe that I am homosexual not heterosexual.  That'd never happen.  I like men.  I have a husband.  I could never be programmed to be attracted to a woman.  Also, many of the sex offenders who have been incarcerated have only had some time of sex offender program in prison.  That's a joke!  In my state, the "therapist" isn't even required to be a social worker or psychologist.  My loved one told me that a guy he knows taking the program was in a 45 minute group "session" and the "therapist" fell asleep.  So, you expect me to believe that most of these sex offenders coming out of the prison system are inadequately reprogrammed by someone who is most likely ill equipped to reprogram but they won't reoffend.  Don't believe it, not for one minute.  Guess what, they don't get caught.  How many stories do we hear of on a daily basis where a accused sex offender has been found to have many, many, many victims who come out the woodwork. . . some even reporting of a crime that occured years and years ago.  This is why the recidivism rate is so low.  Many rapes go unreported.  So do many instances of child molestion.  Just on this board some members have admitted to not telling anyone until after the offender was dead.  That again, is one reason why the recidivism rate is so low. 

 

 

 
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March 8, 2008, 3:48 pm PST

My condolences

Quote From: emazzio

No one understands the plight of sex offenders from both sides more than me.   I have raised three grown children and now I am raising two grandchildren and I am awaiting the arrival of grandchild number three to come live with me.    My  adult daughter who is mentally disabled is about to be released  from prison.   Her mental capacity is chronilogically   twelve years old,  the fourteen year old  boy she slep with is chroniclogically thirteen years old.   She is not allowed to come live with me and her children because of this and I am now having trouble finding her a place to live. What she did was wrong, but she still has to survive out in this world.   What is she to do.   She was in counseling and will resume counseling once she comes out, but finding her a place to live is very difficult unless she is to live in a roach infested. dirty motel that houses  sex offenders.
Yours is a very sad story and a gross miscarriage of justice. If your daughter has the capacity of a child then this should have been recognized by the court. I'm sick of the double standards, if she applied for a job and they refused her based on her mental capacity, no court in the land would consider that to be discrimination. What a double edged sword when she can be held accountable as an adult and punished accordingly. Sad to say, but for those who are not predators, the SOR just makes a mess of peoples lives and instills fear where it ought not be. The only way we can do anything is if everyone who has been affected unfairly and their loved ones/supporters demand that new laws and classifications be enacted. Best wishes to your family.
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:51 pm PST

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Quote From: rainpainrain

I don't buy this for one minute...I bet a million dollars there is more to this story.

You know what though? I think this would be a good example of college kids knocking of the drunken nonsense and just getting a damn education. Seriously, I'm 29 years old, I never had the chance to go to college, I wish I had and when I hear about silly little kids like your friend who just blow it all away being a drunken fool I get angry.


Such naivety.  That's actually what I'm amazed by on this board.  I totally agree w/many posters that true sex offenders (rapists, molesters) cannot not be rehabilitated.  So, don't get me wrong. . . I'm not a pro-sex offender poster.  My question for you though is, have you ever had a loved one in prison?  You couldn't possibly have a close family member incarcerated and never heard horror stories like the one that poster posted.  As I've suggested to other members, become informed.  You've never gone to college but I'm sure you've done some dumb things in your short life.  If not, well then. . . you're perfect.  There are people in prison for simply mooning someone or urinating in public.  Yeah, that's the reality of the world in which we live.  But, if you are sheltered in a sense and have no direct contact w/someone imprisoned, you probably have no clue of the injustices that exist in our country.  You do know people are exonnerated and released from prison due to DNA evidence right?  Yup, that happens too.
 
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March 8, 2008, 3:53 pm PST

03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

Quote From: rainpainrain

I'm 29 and I still don't have a drivers license, but I have ID.  So that is just a silly complaint.

Back on topic...Maybe guys who like the "barely legal" look should get to know a women before having sex with her then.

There certainly are levels of monsters when it comes to sex crimes, but 19 years old having sex with a 15 year old isn't some innocent mistake that we all just need to get over.

I don't care how progressive the world is, it doesn't change the fact that your son's brain was more or less completely developed and the 15 year old's brain was not.

One thing in your post that I do agree with is, people need to stop having sex with someone they don't know.  As crazy as our laws are in some instances, you really have to focus on protecting yourself.  Girls do lie, so stop lying with them until you really know them.  Just a bit of advice to all the young boys perusing this board.  :0

 
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