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Topic : 03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

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Don’t miss Dr. Phil’s exclusive interview with Brianna Denison's mother who is speaking out for the first time since her daughter's body was found. Nineteen-year-old Brianna made headlines when she was kidnapped while she slept on a friend's couch. Brianna's killer – an alleged serial rapist -- is still on the loose in Reno, NV. And, a controversial issue is heating up the headlines: Where should registered sex offenders live when they’re released from prison? Residents of Long Beach, California say not in their neighborhood. They’re outraged that an apartment building is allegedly housing 13 registered sex offenders, and the building owner is reportedly receiving $1,000 per month to house them. Former tenants, James and Getania, were disgusted to learn that the sex offenders were living in their building, and local residents weren’t happy either. Dawna owns several properties near the apartment complex. She says she’s losing tenants and the sex offenders are stalking others. Then, Jake Goldenflame, a registered sex offender who was convicted of molesting his daughter and young boys over 25 years ago, says he's still attracted to teenage boys, but says people like him have no resources and need to live somewhere. What does Dr. Phil think? Should the sex offenders be forced to leave the community, or should their neighbors just learn to live with them? If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Join the discussion.

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March 7, 2008, 5:16 pm PST

Sexual Offenders

If these offenders are castrated will they still have the attraction to deviate behavior?
 
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March 7, 2008, 5:24 pm PST

03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

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it is so easy for a girl to say he tuched me or raped me and everyone automaticaly asumes it's true. kids nowadays have not learned the consequences of these type lies and how much havoc it causes, they just know if they say it , the pressure tey have stops and its all about them and someone tey are mad at gets in trouble. my step daughter has done this many times to my husband and he has suffered when thet were never alone or together on the day she said it happened.
How exactly are you sure that your husband is innocent?
 
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March 7, 2008, 5:26 pm PST

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Sex offenders are an obvious danger to society, however, there are many crime that are incorrectly classfied as sex crimes that compel those convicted to register as a sex offender when they are not predators. A college girl who flashes someone on spring break is considered to have committed a sexual offense, a senior in high school who dates a sophmore (and has a sexual relationship with the underclass person-as many teenagers do) is guilty of a sex crime. I think that the large number of sex offenders registered today has much more to do with the new classification of crimes rather than a rise in the number of predators. I personally would want to know if someone was convicted of a rape or molestation, but, only those who are actual predators should be listed on a registry because only they pose a risk to the community.

I also don't believe most of what the two former resients had to say, I think they embellished to get some airtime. And for that Dawna, she's a complete liar, if anyone were being "stalked" by  a registered sex offender one would only need to contact the police and they'd pick him/her up immediately.

I'm very disappointed that Dr. Phil would allow his producers to schedule guests who only give one, half-truthful side of a story. If a real investigator went to find out what was really happening I'm sure the facts would not support the stories of the two former residents.

You've hit upon a very pertinent and very frustrating point.

As I once said to some of my friends, it's very hard to throw the book at creeps when you have a bunch of relatively benign people standing in the way. So, the fact that rapists and pedophiles are indiscriminately filed in with flashers, streakers, and the 18-year-old who had at 16-year-old girlfriend muddies the issue.

So, I tend to think that the non-violent offenders ought to be placed in a different category from the violent ones, and classified differently.

That being said, there are some very, very dangerous people wandering around in the world, and I would tend to agree with the mum of Bridgette, the murdered girl, that these sorts of people---violent sex offenders--ought to be locked up.

After all, if you have to tell everybody--including everyone on the Internet--that so-and-so is living in such-and-such place and did such-and-such thing, you obviously don't trust them very much, do you? And if you don't trust them, why are you letting them wander free? It makes no sense.

To my understanding, jail is meant to be for people who are thought to be a threat to the rest of us, and who haven't learned their lesson well enough to be trusted not repeat it. It is assumed (rightly or wrongly) that someone who's been released has learned their lesson, done their time, and can be safely released back into society therefore. (I realize that there's a lot more to it, but this does tend to be how people think about prison in the general sense.)

So, if somebody can't or won't ever turn over a new leaf or learn their lesson, we shouldn't just release them back into the wild, should we?

The infuriating thing is that people seem to understand at some level that sexual fetishes and inclinations aren't easily changed or erased, and certainly not always easily controlled or suppressed! Time and time again, we've heard stories about people who let their urges get the best of them. And yet, many people--including the courts, apparently--don't act in a way that logically follows from this understanding. I imagine that even the violent sex offenders who hate the way they are still have a hard time controlling themselves all the time, every time, to say nothing of the ones who don't have such good intentions and high hopes!

And, in the end, whether you're being raped by a guy who could no longer control himself, or a guy who didn't want to control himself, it doesn't matter. You still end up raped. So, at some level, their hopes and dreams and intentions and issues with free will don't really matter, either, if there's still a reasonable chance or even moderate likelihood that they'll end up doing something terrible. If the only way to neatly guarantee that they won't do anything to hurt anyone again is to execute them or lock them up for life, so be it. Some people cannot be saved or rehabilitated, and you've got to think about the needs and safety of innocent people who have done no wrong.


 
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March 7, 2008, 5:34 pm PST

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Yes I do KNOW that...I want ALL the information I can get and these registries give me another form of information.

I was molested as a little girl by my half-brother. 

There is no perfect magical way to protect children from every single horrid thing, HOWEVER that doesn't mean we shouldn't do all we can.

There are only 3 people on the planet my daughter is ever left alone with at this age though. I do what I can.

The problem is there is NO evidence these registries work - and many studies that show they create many more problems then they solve.  More and more RSOs will become homeless, and by definition, impossible for law enforcement to keep track of.  Also, most studies show that true molesters/predators don't hunt in their own neighborhood.  So if these guys on the registry are re-offending then they are going two towns over where no one knows them.  And the guy two towns over is in your neighborhood.

 

If you want "ALL the information" then where to we stop?  I'd like to know the drunk drivers in my neighborhood, and the drug dealers, and the burglars, and the politicians because they are all FAR more dangerous to my family!

 

My issue on the board and on this show topic is that it is based on fear, prejudice and hysteria, NOT facts and information.  Hitler once said that the way you get people to allow you to do whatever you want is to tell them it is for the good of our children.

 

Nice to know our government is taking civics lessons from him.

 
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March 7, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

Hedes

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Pedophiles cannot be 'rehabilitated'. Where should they live? Well, there's a lot of desert in California and Arizona! 

          The Desert is too kind for these Monsters.   I am not even sure that Hedes gives them what they deserve but at least they would be with their own kind.  MONSTERS= PURE EVIL

         These Offenders are as EQUAL to MURDERER'S but worse because Murderer's Receive the Death Penalty. These Offenders Continue the Path of Destruction and Torment to their Victims until they are Ruthless enough to kidnapp or kill their Victims then and only then we as a Lawful Society are able to keep these things in Prison. 

 
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March 7, 2008, 5:38 pm PST

No tolerance left for predators

I think there does need to be a better distinction made between someone who truly is a predator and someone who did something petty.  If there is verifiable evidence that an offender has raped, molested or killed a child I don't think they could EVER serve "their time"!  The man on the show today, said that at 70 years old he still has the desire, and he admitted that he did it to his own child!  I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for where these "people" should live.  I think they should live on an island, with no chance of escape.  They should not be supported.  They should have to earn their keep, in some way.

 

The heck with having them live near innocent kids!  This is idiotic!  I do not believe that they can be rehabilitated and just because they haven't been caught, after they are released, might just prove that they got away with it because they got a little smarter.  Most of them have been proven to have committed many crimes before they were even caught the first time.

 

The ACLU has even defended the right of NAMBLA, (a group that supports the right of men to have sex with boys as young as eight), to have a website promoting their lifestyle and giving tips on how to lure young boys!  Americans need to wake up to the fact that the ACLU is destroying America with it's "free speech" garbage!  Our founding fathers never intended it to protect deviant lifestyles, "art", violent movies, or internet porn!  Anyone with a pea brain should know that it was meant to protect political and religious free speech.  Instead rogue judges have interpreted it to include anything, except religious liberties. Society has been pushed down a very slippery slope because of this organization.

 

If your kids and grandkids are truly important to you, then you need to google The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values.  It is really an eye-opener!

 
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March 7, 2008, 5:43 pm PST

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The problem is there is NO evidence these registries work - and many studies that show they create many more problems then they solve.  More and more RSOs will become homeless, and by definition, impossible for law enforcement to keep track of.  Also, most studies show that true molesters/predators don't hunt in their own neighborhood.  So if these guys on the registry are re-offending then they are going two towns over where no one knows them.  And the guy two towns over is in your neighborhood.

 

If you want "ALL the information" then where to we stop?  I'd like to know the drunk drivers in my neighborhood, and the drug dealers, and the burglars, and the politicians because they are all FAR more dangerous to my family!

 

My issue on the board and on this show topic is that it is based on fear, prejudice and hysteria, NOT facts and information.  Hitler once said that the way you get people to allow you to do whatever you want is to tell them it is for the good of our children.

 

Nice to know our government is taking civics lessons from him.

Well, show me these studies. If ANYTHING I am always willing to read a good study and I am ALWAY willing to change my opinion if I have a compelling reason.

If you are going to make me feel bad for homeless sex offenders, that won't work cause I don't give a damn.

I never said it was a perfect system, but I think it's got good potential.

And, the politician joke makes me take you less seriously btw. That was just strange.

The fact is, sex crimes are committed by people who have some kind of mental problem and they almost always DO IT AGAIN. There is no cure for it. Unlike all the other things you've listed. (As for drunk drivers, I have already addressed that one.)

And bringing up Hitler...that's always effective.

I want to make sex offenders sorry, I want to make them hurt and pay for what they did. I think they should have a life sentence and this is part of it.
 
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March 7, 2008, 5:44 pm PST

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It's very scary to know how many sex offenders live next to you!  There are about 170 in the 10 mile radius from where I live (I need to move).  There's about 20 that live half a mile away!  It's a shocking reality check, thats for sure.

 

You can find out the # of sex offenders that live in your area, their names, addresses and pictures from the the family watchdog site:

 

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

 

What to do when the jails are so overcrowded that these sociopaths are free?

Therein lies another complicated can of worms.

What to do about the jails? Well, I think we need to rank and organize our priorities. I gather that there are lots of people who are in prison because they were caught with a few ounces of pot, or they stole a can of Coke on their third strike.

So, the first thing I'd tend to do would be to decriminalize and then carefully regulate drugs. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate drugs, and I detest druggies. But, I'd rather have them inside the tent whizzing out, than outside the tent whizzing in, so to speak. If you could get the non-violent drug users out of jail, it could free up a lot of room (and, I imagine and hope, it would put a lot of drug dealers, drug cartels out of a job).

Then, I'd do pretty much the same with prostitution, using Amsterdam as a model.

Then, since I brought it up already, it probably would make sense to either strike "three strikes," or make it more sophisticated, less black-and-white, and more discriminating.

Then--and this is really, really complex, complicated, and tricky--I'd say that many things ought to be done about poverty, and  especially education. People need to feel as though they have real options in life, and they have to have the tools and the knowledge to be able to seek out those options. No doubt this would take a lot of sweat, money, time, effort, planning, and tears, and I honestly don't quite know where to begin.

In the end, the goal should be to separate the hardended, irredeemable criminals and really violent types into one pile, and the relatively benign and the presumably redeemable people into another. 

But, of course, I've made it all sound easy, which it isn't. If it was easy, it already would've been done!
 
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March 7, 2008, 5:47 pm PST

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Do you know that in Illinois juvenile sex offenders have to register but the information is not available to the public?  I know this because my daughter a senior in high school was dating this fellow that had graduated from another area high school the year before.  Recently we just had a regulation passed here in Robinson saying that if you wanted to bring a date that did not go to your school to the prom you had to fill out paperwork and give a copy of that persons id.  Well my daughter had already been dating this guy for 4 months.  And surprise, surprise the school calls me and says your daughters boyfriend cannot attend the dance with her because he is a registered juvenile sex offender.  Well I live in a small community and it did not take much to find out the particulars on this offender.  The only thing I found out is it happened when he was 14 and it was with a 10 year old boy.  I have a 10 year old boy I would have liked to known before I let this man into my house. 

 

And it gets even better a few years ago my stepbrother who lives in Indiana molested my nieces who at the time the youngest was 5 years old.  They sent him away for a couple of years to live in a group home with counseling and then he got to move back in with my dad and stepmom (who live in a retirement community) and he did not have to register and do you know when these sex offenders turn 18 it goes off their record.

 

The young man my daughter was dating also was a noncompliant sex offender because he moved to a different state and when he moved back did not reregister and they didn't catch him until he was an adult and he still only has to reregister for 7 more years,.  So there isn't even any probation violation recourse for such things.  I will tell you only our voices will change these laws I have been writing to senators and governors anybody I can get to listen and call them they get sick of hearing from you and they might finally do something about this. 

 

I am not saying they cannot be rehabilitated but studies show that 85% of the time these offenders will do it again.  Its attrocious that we as a country care more about protecting illegal aliens rights than our own children.  Thank you concerned in illinois

i kind of had the same situation, only the girl was me 11 years ago, and i had married him, and the thing is, that he has never registered, so, yes, i wish i would have known, but i know now, and got our 2 kids away from him hopefully before anything happened

 
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March 7, 2008, 5:48 pm PST

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I think there does need to be a better distinction made between someone who truly is a predator and someone who did something petty.  If there is verifiable evidence that an offender has raped, molested or killed a child I don't think they could EVER serve "their time"!  The man on the show today, said that at 70 years old he still has the desire, and he admitted that he did it to his own child!  I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for where these "people" should live.  I think they should live on an island, with no chance of escape.  They should not be supported.  They should have to earn their keep, in some way.

 

The heck with having them live near innocent kids!  This is idiotic!  I do not believe that they can be rehabilitated and just because they haven't been caught, after they are released, might just prove that they got away with it because they got a little smarter.  Most of them have been proven to have committed many crimes before they were even caught the first time.

 

The ACLU has even defended the right of NAMBLA, (a group that supports the right of men to have sex with boys as young as eight), to have a website promoting their lifestyle and giving tips on how to lure young boys!  Americans need to wake up to the fact that the ACLU is destroying America with it's "free speech" garbage!  Our founding fathers never intended it to protect deviant lifestyles, "art", violent movies, or internet porn!  Anyone with a pea brain should know that it was meant to protect political and religious free speech.  Instead rogue judges have interpreted it to include anything, except religious liberties. Society has been pushed down a very slippery slope because of this organization.

 

If your kids and grandkids are truly important to you, then you need to google The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values.  It is really an eye-opener!

Hello?  "Free speech garbage"????  Are you kidding me?

And exactly how do you know what our founding fathers intended?  Exactly how old are you?  I don't believe they intended people to have Uzis, but you right-wing types seem to think they did.

 

The constitution is fairly clear on some topics, like free speech garbage.  I find NAMBLA disgusting, I think most people do.  But the problem becomes who do you want to decide what is free speech "garbage" and what isn't?

 

You?  I don't think so

 

G. "Dumbya" Bush?  Please no

 

So who?

 
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