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Don’t miss Dr. Phil’s exclusive interview with Brianna Denison's mother who is speaking out for the first time since her daughter's body was found. Nineteen-year-old Brianna made headlines when she was kidnapped while she slept on a friend's couch. Brianna's killer – an alleged serial rapist -- is still on the loose in Reno, NV. And, a controversial issue is heating up the headlines: Where should registered sex offenders live when they’re released from prison? Residents of Long Beach, California say not in their neighborhood. They’re outraged that an apartment building is allegedly housing 13 registered sex offenders, and the building owner is reportedly receiving $1,000 per month to house them. Former tenants, James and Getania, were disgusted to learn that the sex offenders were living in their building, and local residents weren’t happy either. Dawna owns several properties near the apartment complex. She says she’s losing tenants and the sex offenders are stalking others. Then, Jake Goldenflame, a registered sex offender who was convicted of molesting his daughter and young boys over 25 years ago, says he's still attracted to teenage boys, but says people like him have no resources and need to live somewhere. What does Dr. Phil think? Should the sex offenders be forced to leave the community, or should their neighbors just learn to live with them? If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Join the discussion.

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03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=4400537&page=1
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      I think before people start judging others they should be more informed to know exactly what they are talking about.  A sex offender is a human being whether you want to accept that fact or not. And "sex offenders" is not even the right term to use because many of them have only offended once and yet they are called sex offenders as though they will always offend.  And as far as labeling people, why don't they have labels for drug addicts, drunk drivers, and other felons who can harm our children?  Why do we squirm at the word sex offender?  We squirm because we hear all the "bad news" about those few who are sick and who would offend again and again.  So does that mean we should treat them all the same?  I don't think so.  I think the law is so unjust when it comes to so called "sex offenders."  It is bad enough that they can't find anyplace to live, and that they have to register, but for the police to send out fliers to the community is not only wrong, but it puts the person and their families in danger. How many people have been harassed or killed because they find out a "sex offender" has moved near them?  Maybe you don't even care and think it serves them right.  But you do not even know them or the story behind their arrest in the first place. 

 I have children and grandchildren and my heart goes out to those who have gone through some horrible experience because of a sex offender.  But they are not all the same.  And many are never given a second chance.  They have to die with that label.  And no matter what their story is- behind all the hysteria- some have been punished more than anyone should ever be punished.  Some have never seen their grandchildren because the law prohibits any contact whatsoever with children and this is for all sex offenders, whether they are pedophiles, whether they offended once, whether it was a 19 year old that was turned in by a 17 year's old mom, or whether they were drunk and urinating and someone saw them and turned them in.  There are way too many reasons why people are labeled sex offenders and to treat them all the same is totally unjustifiable.

  And do you really feel comfortable knowing where they all live?  Can't this give people a false sense of security?  Sex offenders of all sorts are walking around every day.  They may be someone in line in front of you at the bank.  They could be someone you had a nice chat with at the grocery store yesterday.  They could be someone cleaning your carpets.They could be anyone you come in contact with on a daily basis.  So what now? Do we register where they  work or what they do for a living? Wake up, people!  We have normal everyday people who can have a clean record and all of a sudden may wind up killing, raping, or molesting someone.  What parents and the community needs to do is take care of their children and do the best they can to keep them away from all danger.  We will never have a perfect world.  We are all sinners.  That is how it will always be.  We cannot go on picking on one class of felons and make them our main focus.  I wish the world was safer for our children, but it is not. We  will always have drunk drivers, killers, rapist, burglars, drug dealers, and all kinds of law breakers no matter what we do.  I just wish people knew more about sex offenders before they classified all of them as being evil or being sociopaths.  I feel sorry for those who can't see what they are doing as being totally wrong.  And I feel sorry for those who are so ready to cast the first stone.  I sure wish Dr. Phil would have talked to me for this show.

 

Yes, God forbid we should label these people, that would be the worst thing ever.  YES, it makes me feel safer that I know to stay away from these people and keep myself SAFE!

 

Here is the definition of a sociopath:

 

" of, relating to, or characterized by asocial or antisocial behavior or an antisocial personality "

 

http://medical.merriam-webster.com/medical/sociopathic

 

So what IS antisocial behavior?

 

"a personality exhibiting traits typical of the antisocial personality disorder and often considered as predisposed toward criminality"

 

http://medical.merriam-webster.com/medical/Antisocial%20personality

 

What are signs OF Antisocial Behavior?

 

  • breaking laws
  • lying to or conning others for fun or for personal benefit
  • being impulsive and not considering the results of this behavior
  • picking on other people or getting in fights
  • ignoring the safety of self or others
  • being irresponsible, not holding down a job or paying back money and
  • lacking remorse, not worrying about hurting other people
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    http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/mentalemotionalhealth/ment4781.html

     

    SO, actually I'm using the term "sociopath" for repeat and dangerous offenders SO IT FITS!!!!

    Many criminals in prison ARE sociopaths, so that was correct.  I'd rather keep away from these people....I don't care who wants to defend them as misunderstood.  Do NOT care!


    Your post makes me think that you either ARE an offender or know someone who is.  Why else would you be so inflammatory towards someone who is trying to offer information, and at the very least peace of mind and empowerment?  Please!

     
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    March 8, 2008, 10:10 am PST

    Sex Offenders Next Door

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    To find registered sex offenders in your area, please click the link at the top of this board that says: To find registered sex offenders in your area, visit familywatchdog.us.

    This is a free site.

    Went to familywatchdog yesterday and joined for the free reports as I was stunned to find a child molesting

    pervert lives right around the corner.  Seems there are more of these bozos out walking the streets of our

    neighborhoods than police officers.  Our cops really are doing the best they can on the Brianna D case,

    but lawyers and politically correct dingbats have removed a lot of law enforcement procedures, leaving domestic terrorism far more a threat than "homeland security."

     
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    March 8, 2008, 10:15 am PST

    03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

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    Watching the show and seeing the pictures of Kyla doesn't tell us how she acts in public (or airlines).  I've seen many dressed the same, some look  appropriately stylish and others trampish by their actions.

    Seeing the lawyer told me she is out only for fame and riches.  Seeing her mom's clothing tells me the whole family was raised with the "sex sells" mentality.  Kyla made a choice to be on shows.  Yet she claims to be suing because her reputation is being damaged.  Sorry, the act they did was not what caused damages to your reputation but the going onto shows definately did.  I think Kyla needs to sue all the shows she was on for making her look selfish, money hungry, and trampish.

    She ought to sue herself. Not the shows. They didn't make her look selfish, money hungry, and trampish. She did. If she hadn't worn a skirt too short to sit in an airline seat without her crotch showing, she wouldn't have looked trampish, in the first place. But, because she wore that skirt, allegedy without any underwear, she did. To whoever saw her that way. But, by pursuing attention, and money, via increasingly larger venues, culminating with Dr Phil's show, she's made millions of viewera aware of her selfishness, greed and trampishness. 
     
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    March 8, 2008, 10:33 am PST

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    Quote From: psalms100

          I think before people start judging others they should be more informed to know exactly what they are talking about.  A sex offender is a human being whether you want to accept that fact or not. And "sex offenders" is not even the right term to use because many of them have only offended once and yet they are called sex offenders as though they will always offend.  And as far as labeling people, why don't they have labels for drug addicts, drunk drivers, and other felons who can harm our children?  Why do we squirm at the word sex offender?  We squirm because we hear all the "bad news" about those few who are sick and who would offend again and again.  So does that mean we should treat them all the same?  I don't think so.  I think the law is so unjust when it comes to so called "sex offenders."  It is bad enough that they can't find anyplace to live, and that they have to register, but for the police to send out fliers to the community is not only wrong, but it puts the person and their families in danger. How many people have been harassed or killed because they find out a "sex offender" has moved near them?  Maybe you don't even care and think it serves them right.  But you do not even know them or the story behind their arrest in the first place. 

     I have children and grandchildren and my heart goes out to those who have gone through some horrible experience because of a sex offender.  But they are not all the same.  And many are never given a second chance.  They have to die with that label.  And no matter what their story is- behind all the hysteria- some have been punished more than anyone should ever be punished.  Some have never seen their grandchildren because the law prohibits any contact whatsoever with children and this is for all sex offenders, whether they are pedophiles, whether they offended once, whether it was a 19 year old that was turned in by a 17 year's old mom, or whether they were drunk and urinating and someone saw them and turned them in.  There are way too many reasons why people are labeled sex offenders and to treat them all the same is totally unjustifiable.

      And do you really feel comfortable knowing where they all live?  Can't this give people a false sense of security?  Sex offenders of all sorts are walking around every day.  They may be someone in line in front of you at the bank.  They could be someone you had a nice chat with at the grocery store yesterday.  They could be someone cleaning your carpets.They could be anyone you come in contact with on a daily basis.  So what now? Do we register where they  work or what they do for a living? Wake up, people!  We have normal everyday people who can have a clean record and all of a sudden may wind up killing, raping, or molesting someone.  What parents and the community needs to do is take care of their children and do the best they can to keep them away from all danger.  We will never have a perfect world.  We are all sinners.  That is how it will always be.  We cannot go on picking on one class of felons and make them our main focus.  I wish the world was safer for our children, but it is not. We  will always have drunk drivers, killers, rapist, burglars, drug dealers, and all kinds of law breakers no matter what we do.  I just wish people knew more about sex offenders before they classified all of them as being evil or being sociopaths.  I feel sorry for those who can't see what they are doing as being totally wrong.  And I feel sorry for those who are so ready to cast the first stone.  I sure wish Dr. Phil would have talked to me for this show.

    First, I agree with you about the mis-use of the Registry.  I would not feel uncomfortable living next to some jerk who was caught peeing in a bush...he doesn't belong in the registry.  The TEEN thing going on...well, if the Forum concerning teen sex is any indication of what is going on, then this registry should not include the "semantics" of the age of consent...an 18 or 19 year old does NOT belong registered as a sex offender for having relations with a 16 year old...you are talking about a 2 or 3 year age difference, no force, and if you can give a 16 year old birth control, you must realize that she is consenting to sex.  That being said, I would like to see the Registry used for its intent, that is to keep track of child molesters...not play games of its severity, by padding it with nonsense.

    Now, as for the true pedophiles...they must carry this forever, IF they are convicted.  That is really too bad, my heart goes out to them.

    I have, or should say, HAD 3 children.  My oldest was 14 when I finally conceived again...another girl, 20 months later, a boy...and I was so blessed.  The oldest met a seemingly wonderful young man in college.  They dated, became engaged, and married in 1999.  I loved him.  9 months after the wedding, when he was not here so often, my son, then 10 told of "games" that he used to play with my son-in-law...it was oral sodomy.  I took him to a therapist immediately, who asked to see my younger daughter and she too, had played the game...oral sodomy..on children who loved him, trusted him, and saw him as "family".  I had to tell my older girl...the hardest thing I ever had to do...and she turned against us...called her siblings "deranged liars", me a "lunetic".  From this close loving family where I thought we did it all right..no drugs, drinking, and completion of college...she's a teacher...we turned into adverserial cut throats!  He was arrested, never convicted, as the statute of limitations had passed by 12 year old girl by, and we had no physical evidence.  The he said/she said cases have a less than a 5% conviction rate in New York.....so, he turned this family upside down.  My younger ones cried until they were over 16...today, he's 18, she'll be 20 in May...they are academicly and socially  well adjusted...only thing missing is their sister...oh, yes, her two little girls also, who we learned were born, after this disaster...and it was through a random meeting when my friend ran into her in a mall...they are out of our lives because of her belief in him...will not speak to us..he never said he was sorry...guess the $100,000.00 wedding was his grand finale after taking that amount times a million from my children...his future sister and brother-in-law, when they were 5,6, and 7.

    My daughter believes I SAID THIS to break up the marriage...denial is a powerful defense.  So, it is almost 8 years later...my one girl is in college, my son graduates High School this June and will enter College in Sept..........all the milestones were minus their sister...my daughter...and their neices...my grandchildren.

    My husband just 2 years ago, recovered from a severe depression, as the result of this....he almost lost everything, and we had two more children to educate...our marriage is shot...therapy did not help, and we went for three years as a couple.  I went for my kids, my husband and finally, was able to go for myself...and still am going to sift through what this did to me...before, there WAS no time, now, I'm lucky that I have it.  Over 7 years of my sentence has been served.  I'm in my early fifties, so if I'm lucky enough to die young, maybe I have 20 years left to go.  If I follow in my family's footsteps of longevity, it will be more like 35 more years of my life sentence.  If he blew out my brains, it would have been more merciful.  He got me in my only truly vulnerable spot...and he got all of them in some way...my children, then, my greatest dream of that first Grandchild...he took that also.  BUT, my kids, my life...he hurt all 3, and if ANYTHING terrible were to happen to him, you think I should show compassion? 

    As a form of healing, I work with victims of pedophiles, speak out for changes in our laws, and hope to find better ways of coping.  Through my efforts, I came to see that our situation and our experience with a pedophile was one of the "better" ones...seriously, it did not come close to some of what I've learned.  Now, mine is good...imagine the others...Do you think we care if they die with a stigma?  Do we care if they work, where they work, if they live or where?  Only in so far as they are kept from doing to another person/people what was done to us.  I have no compassion for them.  They seldom serve time, and when they do, in most cases, depending on the State, the sentence is not punishment that fits the crime.  On the show SAVING GRACE, a feature of Dr. Phil's, a grandfather did less than a year for molesting his 6 year old grand-daughter.  This is what we call justice?

    So while I'm with you in how I feel WHO goes into the registry, I'm not at all sympathetic to the ones who truly belong in it carrying a lifetime stigma for what they have done.  We will carry our scars to the grave.  We were guilty of loving the wrong person...extending to him kindness, trust, and welcome into what was once a warm, loving fun-filled family.  Give me that stone, I'll cast it his way and feel justified.  Am I "totally wrong"?  I really do not care.

     
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    March 8, 2008, 10:35 am PST

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    This is a topic that has come up more than once between my circle of friends. We have talked it and taked it to death many times. There is no good answer.

    Firstly, these people have to live somewhere. Our laws do not allow them to be taken out of society permanantly. Truthfully, I find the idea of them living all in the same building, isn't a bad idea.

    My big problem with the sex offenders registery is that today someone can be labled a sex offender for getting drunk and taking a whizz on the side of the road. There are many people out there that have been forced to register for petty stupid little things that shouldn't be listed as a sex crime. Forcing someone to register as a sex offender should be saved for those who truly are sex offenders. And I hate to say it, but if this country is gonna place a scarlet letter on these people's chest and basicly prevent them from being able to work and live anywhere, then the bovernment should figure out a way to house and feed these people. You can't make a group of people pariahs and not see to their well being.
    House and feed them on my dime? NO FRICKIN' WAY. As Dr Phil often says, you choose the behavior, you choose the conseguences. When these sex offenders chose the behavior, raping and molesting women and children, I'm not talking about roadside whizzes, they chose the consequences of being social pariahs.
     
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    March 8, 2008, 10:37 am PST

    Help - I can't seem to get into the Megan's site

    I've tried to get into Megan's site for Colorado and have had no success.  I have found it on the Google search engine, along with all of the other U.S. states, but cannot access the site.  Any trick to this application? 

     

    I did the Watchdog site - but would like to see the picture.

     

    I also would like to send my sister the same site for the state of Florida.

     

    Please email if you have the answer: duffyduffy773@hotmail.com

     

    Thank you!

     
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    Quote From: ladiehawke

    This is a topic that has come up more than once between my circle of friends. We have talked it and taked it to death many times. There is no good answer.

    Firstly, these people have to live somewhere. Our laws do not allow them to be taken out of society permanantly. Truthfully, I find the idea of them living all in the same building, isn't a bad idea.

    My big problem with the sex offenders registery is that today someone can be labled a sex offender for getting drunk and taking a whizz on the side of the road. There are many people out there that have been forced to register for petty stupid little things that shouldn't be listed as a sex crime. Forcing someone to register as a sex offender should be saved for those who truly are sex offenders. And I hate to say it, but if this country is gonna place a scarlet letter on these people's chest and basicly prevent them from being able to work and live anywhere, then the bovernment should figure out a way to house and feed these people. You can't make a group of people pariahs and not see to their well being.
    See to the well being of sex offenders. That's just plain, damn nuts! What about their victims?
     
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    March 8, 2008, 10:44 am PST

    03/07 Dr. Phil Now: Sex Offenders Next Door

    Quote From: tina3940

    First off, you don't know my son and you don't know the situation. So I won't let you get to me, I am sure your life is wonderful and perfect and nothing and nobody will ever make any mistakes. I am happy for you. I suggest you watch 20/20 next Friday , and the one that was on last night, maybe someone can let you know what it was about  Friday March 7th. It was about this subject manner.  So as far as these young men having sex with young girls 15. Well, maybe you don't know some girls that are 15, they sure act, look, talk,  and dress older than I did when I was that age and guess what, that is a problem. So it isn't that these young men WANT to molest a child, they think they are with an adult, someone close to their age,they were fooled.  And no, not everyone asks for I.D.  My son didn't get his drivers lisense till he was 19.  I am very sorry for anyone on here that has gone through terrible things with their children. Some people out there are truly monsters, hurting kids but there are some young men out there that are getting a label of a monster that they just were being normal young guys wanting a girl friend with a girl that seems to be their equal. Our kids know so much more these days. It is making our children grow up faster than they need to. Look at alot of the role models they have. Britney Spears sister is pregnant by an older kid than her. Come on!  My husband is 5 years older than me. My daughter dated a guy 18 when she was 15, she ended up marrying him after 8 years of dating. He sure was no sex offender but I could have turned it into that if I wanted to. That is what happens sometimes, something innocent gets turned into something ugly out of anger and fear.
    I'm 29 and I still don't have a drivers license, but I have ID.  So that is just a silly complaint.

    Back on topic...Maybe guys who like the "barely legal" look should get to know a women before having sex with her then.

    There certainly are levels of monsters when it comes to sex crimes, but 19 years old having sex with a 15 year old isn't some innocent mistake that we all just need to get over.

    I don't care how progressive the world is, it doesn't change the fact that your son's brain was more or less completely developed and the 15 year old's brain was not.
     

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    Having worked in law enforcement for many years I see sex offenders on a regular basis.  It is true that there are little to no programs in the prisons to help these offenders to rehabilitate.  I agree that they should not be living in clusters!  The watchdog website that is posted in one of the comments below is a great website.  Tennessee law states that sex offenders HAVE to register.  I was really shocked to find out that all states do not require offenders to register. 
     
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