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How would you feel if an airline banned you for how you looked? According to two young women, they’ve been banned for life from flying Southwest Airlines. Sarah and Nisreen made national news when they were escorted off a plane because they say the airline had a problem with them because they were “young and decent-looking” and their flight attendants were “middle-aged.” Southwest denies treating the women unfairly because of their appearance and says the women used vulgar language, obscene gestures and aggressive behavior. Joining the conversation is Kyla, who says she was told by Southwest that her outfit was too skimpy, and two other passengers who say the airline booted them because they were women. Then, McKay is a 15-year-old on a mission to end cussing. He founded a No Cussing Club at his high school and wants to inspire others to stop swearing and examine the power of words. McKay’s campaign has even motivated his mayor to pass a proclamation for a No Cussing Week in his hometown. Don’t miss reactions from the teen’s family and classmates! If it’s happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Join the discussion.

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March 14, 2008, 6:34 pm PDT

03/14 Dr. Phil Now: Fly Girls

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which is why these girls are so off-base. They think that BECAUSE  they are somewhat attractive (not beauties to be sure) they act as though they were supermodels with attitude. If they acted like ladies and were kind to others around them, they probably would be treated well, and would appear more beautiful, from the inside, it appears outside, don' t you think?. I wonder if they were looking for attention because they really don't think much of themselves?
I really do believe that how we are inside radiates and shows in our appearance. Its kind of a weird but when I think about it, the reason why in my eyes my boyfriend is the most attractive man in the world is because I love his soul and his personaility. Yes, he looks good too but thats not what made me want to be with him. If he was rude and mean well I wouldn't be with him at all! Same goes for my friends - my friends are all beautiful, even if they don't fit the ideals of beauty that the media has set. Those girls probably don't think much of themselves to make such a big deal out of this whole thing. If you don't have much to your personaility, then what do you have? The whole "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" thing is just silly. How about "don't treat me differently because of my looks" or "treat me like you treat everyone else."

Kindness and respect are just the answers to everything. Think about when you call a call center - MOST of the time, if you are nice and respectful, you can get your problem solved appropriately and sometimes get something extra (like a discount). I used to work for a brokerage firm where I took calls from brokers and I would go out of my way for the nice ones. The ones who were mean - well, I was still nice to them but I wouldn't do anything extra.
 
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March 14, 2008, 6:39 pm PDT

Ridiculous

I think it is ridiculous the way these "children" are acting. What made them think that they are more important than the other 130 some odd people on the flight?? I've flown South West numerous times. When I was pregnant with my son a flight attendant went out of her way to make sure that I was comfortable. When I flew with him as a baby a different flight attendant asked if I needed her to hold him while I made his bottle. EVERY time I have flown Southwest I have recieved nothing but the BEST service. I also think it is ludicris that they would not accept an apology they'd rather go to court and get millions of dollars for "emotional" stress caused gimme a bleepin break....If they truly wanted southwest to change their policies etc these girls would not care about the money.
 
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March 14, 2008, 6:47 pm PDT

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I know I'll get yelled at for this but children can be some of the worst, especially on airplanes. I can't tell you how many times I just want to say something to the parents. Even when I'm in a restaraunt and they are running around and the parents don't care that their children are being inconvient towards other people who would like to have a pleasant meal. I totally would have said something to the flight attendant and I would have gone up the food chain until they did something - no way would I pay that much to ride on a plane for me to have be annnoyed by someone's unrully kids!

I was completely confused by the playboy stuff. Why. Why why why?
You shouldn't get in trouble for your opinon but to stick up for other parents (like me) it is those parents fault for not controlling or diciplining their children. I have flown with my son three times since he was born  he was about 3 months the first time 8 months and then 1 yr the last time we flew with him. All three times I was commeneded on how well behaved my child was. If the parents brought things on board with them such as bottles, toys, etc the children would not behave so badly.  Also it would help if parents would discipline their children. Basically I believe it all boils down on how the child is being raised. Trust me I have sat in front of a child who has kicked my seat the entire flight (I was also 6 months pregnant at the time) so I know how you feel....I politely turned around and asked the lil boy to quit kicking my seat when he would not stop I asked the mother to have her child quit kicking my seat the 3rd time I called the flight attendant and asked her if either I could move or the mother and her child. It was taken care of no problem. I moved to a different seat. I know it would probably cause a big commotion but maybe airlines could offer certain adult only flights or have a place where passengers can request not to sit near children or something...
 
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March 14, 2008, 6:52 pm PDT

Kudos to McKay!

Thank you McKay! What a breath of fresh air and one that has been sorely needed in our country. I am behind you 100% and hope and pray you are successful in your quest to eradicate bad language from everyday vernacular. Dr Phil, I'd like to see a follow up to this young man's courageous decision.
 
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March 14, 2008, 6:55 pm PDT

03/14 Dr. Phil Now: Fly Girls

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That is the saddest thing I've read tonight. I'm really sorry that you feel that you are "ugly" :( It also makes me sad that there are people in society that would treat anyone negatively just because they don't feel someone doesn't look "good" enough.

But I also disagree that only looks can allow one to have a deep personaility and gain intelligence - I think that comes from life experiences. People always assume that because I'm "attractive" that my life has been easy. I honestly wish it was easy because there are things that have happened to me that I wouldn't even wish on my enemies. Once people get to know me past my looks, they realize that there is so much more to me than just how I look or what things I have.

Also - there are the young girls who are "pretty" and have had everything handed to them from mommy and daddy. I used to go to school with a whole bunch of them in highschool because I used to live in a rich part of California (but my family was military and thats the only way we could live there).
I'm not sad! LOL

Not everyone has everything. I'm not physically attractive. Oh well. I have a fabulous husband and a great little girl. I have a hell of a singing voice...LOL We are each different and it's all good!

"But I also disagree that only looks can allow one to have a deep personaility and gain intelligence - "

That isn't what I was saying, I was merely speaking of myself. I sometimes wonder, had I been better looking, if I would have bothered to develop myself in a deeper way. I think maybe I might been swept away and not bothered with other things.

That comment was only about myself.


 
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March 14, 2008, 6:58 pm PDT

03/14 Dr. Phil Now: Fly Girls

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There are TWO things at work here.

Sometimes kids, even kids with GREAT parents and kids who are GREAT themselves, act up a bit. And on an airplane that is especially sticky, because what the hell are we supposed to do? I am a GREAT mother...I really am, I'll defend my mothering against anyone, I ROCK as a mother. And I have an especially well behaved child, I am lucky, she's mild tempered and incredibly polite. HOWEVER that doesn't mean she isn't going to go through the normal growing pains every toddler does. She WILL have a fit now and then. She WILL get cranky. She WILL test boundaries. 

Now, when I am in a store or restaurant and my kid acts up I leave. I always leave. (This has only happened twice, but both times, with out hesitation I left. I didn't get to have dinner out one night because she was screaming and I had to leave a grocery cart of food behind.) I will NOT let my child ruin anyone else's peace, to a reasonable degree. (She likes to say "Hi, my name is Emma" to everyone she meets, I will not stop her from doing that! That is an ok thing for her to do.)

But on an airplane, what is a parent supposed to do? It's a tiny little flying room...what do you think parents should do? You think kids shouldn't get to fly anywhere because now and then they cry or scream?

On the other hand...the second thing, are those parents who let their kids run around all the time. I hate being lumped in with them when it comes to this flying issue. HATE IT. I am a great mother and I keep control of my child, however, kids DO cry sometimes.

I think people need to suck it up on an airplane, and if you are uber sensitive get some headphones.

So, in closing of my rant, LOL, not all kids who cry are "unruly"...(BTW, I am not defending something my daughter did or didn't do. I took her on a 7 hour cross country flight last fall and she was perfect the entire time, she didn't cry or get loud. She DID get giggly at the end, but hell I got a little punchy too! LOL.)
You sound like a good parent, and of course sometimes there is little you can do. I object to the parents who yell back with "he's only a child" and other excuses and don't attempt to make them behave. Any reasonalble person realizes that flying with small children is difficult, but by 6 or 7, they should be able to sit in their sit for a little while without making everyone else miseralble. I think if the parent apologized I would feel better even if he or she could do nothing, instead of yelling at me that I am a moron who hates kids (I love them)
 
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March 14, 2008, 7:03 pm PDT

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You won't get yelled at by me. First let me say I know it is hard to control the kids on planes but I have had the most awful experiences when I have asked the parents to please ask their children to stop kicking the back of my seat.  For Example: Once I was very sick with a migraine and a kid about 10 kept kicking my seat, and you would have thought I had done some awful thing to her and her child.  That goes for other situations as well, not to get off topic. I don't understand why SOME parents are overly sensitive - I understand if the child was 2 there wasn't alot she could have done, but too many times these things have happened - makes me wonder if those girls on the show have kids...OMG!!!!! I answered my own question!!!!
A TEN year old!? Now that is just ridiculous! WOW....That kid's parents should have been apologetic to you.

For the record though, there are GOOD parents out there....and we take our kids on planes, and 99% of time the kids are good, but sometimes kids have bad days...just like everyone else.
 
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March 14, 2008, 7:04 pm PDT

They don't get it

I just want to take a second to say that these girls keep saying how Dr. Phil missed the point when in fact they are missing the point. They don't realize how important it is that there is nothing distracting them from doing their job and keeping everyone safe. I used to fly on P-3s in the Navy and there can be no big confrontations or any big distractions or intoxicated passengers because there are lots of other things going on during the flight that are very important. If I were on a Southwest flight and I caused such a problem that someone had to intervene - that is taking away from them watching out for other safety hazards including potentially harmful passengers. Our country has had enough scares with terrorism on commercial flights - can't they see the big picture and realize that there is a reason that the flight attendants reacted the way they did. They take a chance that there is someone on that flight just waiting for a distraction so they can make their move and possibly cause harm to everyone on that flight. That's why they said the girls are stuck up and spoiled ...because they are only thinking of themselves and they don't understand the big picture.
 
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March 14, 2008, 7:04 pm PDT

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That is the saddest thing I've read tonight. I'm really sorry that you feel that you are "ugly" :( It also makes me sad that there are people in society that would treat anyone negatively just because they don't feel someone doesn't look "good" enough.

But I also disagree that only looks can allow one to have a deep personaility and gain intelligence - I think that comes from life experiences. People always assume that because I'm "attractive" that my life has been easy. I honestly wish it was easy because there are things that have happened to me that I wouldn't even wish on my enemies. Once people get to know me past my looks, they realize that there is so much more to me than just how I look or what things I have.

Also - there are the young girls who are "pretty" and have had everything handed to them from mommy and daddy. I used to go to school with a whole bunch of them in highschool because I used to live in a rich part of California (but my family was military and thats the only way we could live there).
BTW...I think it's sad that you think it's sad! LOL Looks aren't that important to me.

No offense of course, I have enjoyed your posts.
 
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March 14, 2008, 7:07 pm PDT

I SOOO agree!

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 Havent we had enough of these so called "pretty girls"?  I say so called because if anyone has seen them on youtube.com with their many videos they are ANYTHING by pretty - not even remotely.  Kyle started this type of behavior with her baseless lawsuit and temper tantrum and now we have to endure these two spoiled brats?  Yeah thanks but I know where my delete button is on my DVR - I could barely stomach Kyla the first time she was on and I sure dont want to hear or watch her multiplied into 3 of the exact same mindset and brains.  As for youtube.com there is also a rebuttal video out there from a gal representing the airlines.

Get into the real world gorls - it wasnt your looks that got ya booted - it was your mouth and disrespetful attitude and I hope the audience at Dr Phil rips you to shreds and tell you flat out that you "ain't all that"

Frankly, I can't believe the Dr. Phil show is  wasting the air time with a story like this (or non-story as the case may be) is this topic really worth a half a show?

All these women saying they are thinking of suing??  For what?  The one girl kept saying that she was upset that people said she was cursing and behaving badly - isn't there an old saying that goes something like 'you're known by the company you keep'? 
 
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