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How would you feel if an airline banned you for how you looked? According to two young women, they’ve been banned for life from flying Southwest Airlines. Sarah and Nisreen made national news when they were escorted off a plane because they say the airline had a problem with them because they were “young and decent-looking” and their flight attendants were “middle-aged.” Southwest denies treating the women unfairly because of their appearance and says the women used vulgar language, obscene gestures and aggressive behavior. Joining the conversation is Kyla, who says she was told by Southwest that her outfit was too skimpy, and two other passengers who say the airline booted them because they were women. Then, McKay is a 15-year-old on a mission to end cussing. He founded a No Cussing Club at his high school and wants to inspire others to stop swearing and examine the power of words. McKay’s campaign has even motivated his mayor to pass a proclamation for a No Cussing Week in his hometown. Don’t miss reactions from the teen’s family and classmates! If it’s happening now, Dr. Phil is going to deal with it now! Join the discussion.

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March 24, 2008, 5:55 pm PDT

03/14 Dr. Phil Now: Fly Girls

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On this one I agree with you about the two girls and the airline's right to decide what kind of behavior/speech is acceptable to them.  And you have a good point that what happens in a plane could affect more than just the people on it (I'm sure we are talking about national security here and I would rather have the airlines err on the side of caution by being stricter with security measures rather than being  too lax).

So for today we are in agreement Penny.  What will tomorrow bring?  I enjoy our lively debates on the boards! 

I enjoy them too!

And yes, I am talking about national security. If anyone starts to cross a line into anything remotely hostile I think the airlines should take it ridiculously seriously. I'd rather that a few spoiled brats get taken into questioning than a jet fly into someone's work place or home.
 
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March 24, 2008, 9:49 pm PDT

I see what they are talking about

Last June I had an interesting flight from San Diego to Las Vegas on Southwest.  It was actually really fun, but I think I saw a glimpse at what the girls are talking about.  I boarded the flight and happened to sit next to this guy that was clearly drunk.  He was loud but had a really fun personality- he was a charmer.  He ended up sitting right next to me.  When the flight attendent would come by, he would tell her how gorgeous she was and she would throw him extra packets of peanuts.  So the girl sitting in front of us said "if I flatter you too, do you think you could get me a drink?"  The flight attendent looked at her and said "I'm here to save your a$$, not to kiss it."  Then she proceeded to give the already drunk but very fun and hilarious guy sitting next to me and his friends free alcohol because he flirted with her.  Remembering this experience is actually very positive because it was fun and I made friends with the drunk little charmer (who gave me some of his free peanuts and shared his free drinks). .. but it is still true that the flight attendent was very rude to the girl that refused to flatter her.
 
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March 25, 2008, 3:27 pm PDT

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I enjoy them too!

And yes, I am talking about national security. If anyone starts to cross a line into anything remotely hostile I think the airlines should take it ridiculously seriously. I'd rather that a few spoiled brats get taken into questioning than a jet fly into someone's work place or home.

And I don't gripe about the long lines and other "inconveniences" that we have to go through for security purposes at the airport, because I know it is for our safety and the safety of our country.

 

Glad we agree this time!  I eagerly look forward to our NEXT debate, whether we agree  or not.  Even when we don't, I enjoy reading your perspective. By the way I haven't used the IRR........ word on here, even though I still believe it is a word.  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JulieB

 
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March 26, 2008, 5:48 pm PDT

give me a break

I just watched this episode....GET A LIFE CHILDREN!!! This story makes me sick! I think you have a false perception of yourselves!!!! Your 15 minutes is OVER....
 
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March 29, 2008, 10:28 am PDT

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Last June I had an interesting flight from San Diego to Las Vegas on Southwest.  It was actually really fun, but I think I saw a glimpse at what the girls are talking about.  I boarded the flight and happened to sit next to this guy that was clearly drunk.  He was loud but had a really fun personality- he was a charmer.  He ended up sitting right next to me.  When the flight attendent would come by, he would tell her how gorgeous she was and she would throw him extra packets of peanuts.  So the girl sitting in front of us said "if I flatter you too, do you think you could get me a drink?"  The flight attendent looked at her and said "I'm here to save your a$$, not to kiss it."  Then she proceeded to give the already drunk but very fun and hilarious guy sitting next to me and his friends free alcohol because he flirted with her.  Remembering this experience is actually very positive because it was fun and I made friends with the drunk little charmer (who gave me some of his free peanuts and shared his free drinks). .. but it is still true that the flight attendent was very rude to the girl that refused to flatter her.
I quess that girl's a$$ was the wrong gender. If the men get free drinks, and extra peanuts, so should the  women. That flight attendant gives her profession a slut reputation.
 
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March 29, 2008, 10:40 am PDT

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This had absolutely nothing at all to do with how they were dressed.  And yes a private business can ask someone to leave if their attire isn't appropriate.  Maybe airlines should carry "borrow pants" like some restaurants have "borrow jackets or ties". 

 

About the toddler, I have twins who have been flying since they were under a year, so 7 years now and I guess my kids are freaks of nature.  They have never acted up on a plane and get really annoyed by the other kids who carry on.  I think if a parent can't control their child in public maybe flying isn't for them.  I know I don't pay money to have my back kicked and some kid crying the whole time.  No thank you. 

If parents can't control their children in public, they need to keep them at home. Not kicking the back of my seat in an airplane, bus, or movie threater. Ruining my restaurant meals by running their mouths. Or, shopping trips by running around.
 
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March 29, 2008, 12:13 pm PDT

Fly Girls

I am speaking for the Fly Girls, Sarah and Nisreen.  I am from the Tampa area and we have a radio station down here that has a morning show and they are the ones that gave the Fly Girls the title of TOO PRETTY TO FLY.  The girls never said that that might be the reason until this morning show gave them that title.  I don't know what happened on the flight and I hope no airline would ever treat people like that. I have never flown Southwest.  I have flown Jet Blue and Delta when I travel up North.  I hate to think what I would feel like if anyone treated me like that.  But I always say there are 3 sides to a story. Theirs, the airline and the truth. The truth is that only God knows............ It's their word against the airline.  I have never gotten treated badly on any of my trips up North.  I have heard a lot of people complain about Southwest, but I don't judge unless I am treated badly.   I hope I never have to experience anything like that.

 
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March 29, 2008, 3:01 pm PDT

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If parents can't control their children in public, they need to keep them at home. Not kicking the back of my seat in an airplane, bus, or movie threater. Ruining my restaurant meals by running their mouths. Or, shopping trips by running around.
To a degree I agree and then at the same time I don't.

There has to be some level of tolerance from adults for children in the world.  If a child kicks your seat it's quite possible it's not some unruly child with ignorant parents. It could be a child who did it with out realizing what they were doing and a parent who simply did not notice. To act like you have never done either of those things is to, IMO, be dishonest.

Now, if this child is old enough to know better, is kicking despite being told to stop and the parent just doesn't give a damn, well that isn't something to be tolerated.

But I am a mother of a toddler, and I promise you (I have no idea if you are a parent) that she makes mistakes. She is a good child, I get compliments a lot on her manners and intelligence, but she still makes mistakes.

At the park the other day I was sitting on the grass while she ran off to play, a grandmother had a kite and was flying it with her grandchildren. My daughter, in her excitement wanted to join in and reached for the kite string. I was paying FULL attention but I was on the OTHER SIDE of the park! LOL Not much I could do. She go yelled at by the grandmother, my mommy ego was bruised, and Emma cried a little...but she learned a lesson. But the fact of the matter is it was an INNOCENT mistake. Now I could just imagine that granny going off with her friends about "kids these days have no manners" having no idea how badly my daughter felt for her mistake and how POLITE my child actually is.

Kids aren't mini adults and are hardly perfect. So, if you have unrealistic expectations about how children behave then you will be annoyed a lot.

On the other hand there ARE permissive parents who let their children behave like animals with little thought to those around them.

There is a difference between the two.
 
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March 31, 2008, 2:32 pm PDT

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To a degree I agree and then at the same time I don't.

There has to be some level of tolerance from adults for children in the world.  If a child kicks your seat it's quite possible it's not some unruly child with ignorant parents. It could be a child who did it with out realizing what they were doing and a parent who simply did not notice. To act like you have never done either of those things is to, IMO, be dishonest.

Now, if this child is old enough to know better, is kicking despite being told to stop and the parent just doesn't give a damn, well that isn't something to be tolerated.

But I am a mother of a toddler, and I promise you (I have no idea if you are a parent) that she makes mistakes. She is a good child, I get compliments a lot on her manners and intelligence, but she still makes mistakes.

At the park the other day I was sitting on the grass while she ran off to play, a grandmother had a kite and was flying it with her grandchildren. My daughter, in her excitement wanted to join in and reached for the kite string. I was paying FULL attention but I was on the OTHER SIDE of the park! LOL Not much I could do. She go yelled at by the grandmother, my mommy ego was bruised, and Emma cried a little...but she learned a lesson. But the fact of the matter is it was an INNOCENT mistake. Now I could just imagine that granny going off with her friends about "kids these days have no manners" having no idea how badly my daughter felt for her mistake and how POLITE my child actually is.

Kids aren't mini adults and are hardly perfect. So, if you have unrealistic expectations about how children behave then you will be annoyed a lot.

On the other hand there ARE permissive parents who let their children behave like animals with little thought to those around them.

There is a difference between the two.
The ones I'm talking about are those allowed to behave with no regard to anyone else. Such as the three children, at a breakfast place in Pigeon Forge, TN, running around a table while their parents were sitting there, smoking.
I grew up in a the 50's and 60's when permissive parents were the rare exception. Such as the psycholgist couple who hired my 13-year-old brother to put their daughter to bed every night. She minded him, and every other parent in the neighborhood, better than she did her own.
There are some children who are still raised as my generation was. When I see such children, I compliment them and their parents.

 
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March 31, 2008, 9:01 pm PDT

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The ones I'm talking about are those allowed to behave with no regard to anyone else. Such as the three children, at a breakfast place in Pigeon Forge, TN, running around a table while their parents were sitting there, smoking.
I grew up in a the 50's and 60's when permissive parents were the rare exception. Such as the psycholgist couple who hired my 13-year-old brother to put their daughter to bed every night. She minded him, and every other parent in the neighborhood, better than she did her own.
There are some children who are still raised as my generation was. When I see such children, I compliment them and their parents.

I feel that the best parenting methods take the wisdom of older generations and the wisdom of current ideas and combine them to fit their lives.

I do agree...parents who let their kids run all over hell and back in public DRIVE ME CRAZY. Not only is it annoying and dangerous it is a bad example to other kids...I have to pull out my "not all parents have the same rules" speech when this happens...and my daughter understands (as much as a nearly 4 year old can) but I can still see the tugs of wishing she could run around too.

The most awesome thing my daughter ever did though was in Walmart, we were walking around gathering items and another kid in the store was screaming so loud you could hear him EVERYWHERE...and this is in a SUPER WALMART...HUGE store, a store the size of a city block nearly...and you could hear him screaming and screaming...after about 5 minutes the mom pushed the cart past us while the kid was screaming and Emma just said "That boy is CRAZY! Why is he yelling and yelling?" LMFAO! It was great!

The poor little boy looked exhausted, I felt terrible for him, he couldn't have been over 3 years old...that mother shouldn't have been there dragging that kid through the store...I mean, if I was annoyed, imagine how annoyed that poor little boy was!

 
 
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