Topic : 03/17 Bishop T.D. Jakes

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Created on : Friday, March 14, 2008, 02:35:28 pm
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Are you stuck in an emotional, marital or financial rut? Dr. Phil has advice for reshaping your future, and he’s bringing reinforcements! Joining him is Bishop T.D. Jakes, pastor of one of the fastest-growing mega-churches in the country and author of Reposition Yourself. First up, Dr. Phil and Bishop Jakes tackle a shocking story that made headlines. Tongues wagged when New York Governor Eliot Spitzer resigned over a sex scandal. Should his wife, Silda, have stood by his side? Robin weighs in with a woman’s perspective. And, Rachelle says her husband, Rob, was unjustly fired from his job as a police officer more than eight years ago, and the incident was highly publicized. Rob says his life was turned upside down and admits he hasn't been much of a father or husband since the firing. His four children say they want their "vacation dad" to be their full-time dad. What's really at the root of Rob's pain, and what will it take for him to return to being the man Rachelle married? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 17, 2008, 10:56 am PDT

Rob and Rachelle

Oh I meant to post to Rob and Rachelle too, wow, my heart pours out to you and your family, battling severe post-partum depression that turned to psychosis, that turned to bipolar/schitzoaffective with dissociative disorder for the last 10yrs, I'm sure my husband feels about in the same predicament Rachelle found herself in...my savior was not only my network of support through my family and friends, but an extensive program called DBT....It was very pivotal in my point in dealing with my severe states of depression...I had lost the last three jobs I had just due to time missed from work from hospital stays, I was always with every job considered one of the best working people...I was always the best at what I did, but because of my mental illness requiring lots of frequent long hospital stays, I had lost 3 jobs, 2 factory, and one retail....and it was a part time job...wow, I felt so ashamed...it was a Goodwill store...how bad is that...one factory job I had to file suit with because they fired me on my birthday, just as I stepped right out of the hospital, and was eligible for FMLA...(Family Medical Leave Act), it is a federal law...it just tickled me to see Dr. Phil do that for Rob, I wasn't even there and it was like lifting a weight off my shoulers...it just felt that powerful to me...I have felt that desperation where not only are you down, but it feels like your just being kicked around by society while you are down...I know I can work, maybe not to the degree most can, but I can, I enjoy working, but between the doctors and the fear of getting out there and failing again, I to a degree had given up too....and over the years, it was like I felt useless enough as it was, the family was really good about making me feel bad for not working on top of that..most of them didn't know even the smallest capacity of what a mental illness can do to someone much less did they have any sympathy for it, so it's been a really long battle for me, but I am so  happy that Dr.Phil could get that guy for Rob to help him get a new career...the expression on Rob's face was just priceless, it was like a breath of fresh air, like alot was just lifted off him, I'm glad...prayers for Rob and Rachelle and their family!!! We wish them the best!!
 
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March 17, 2008, 11:41 am PDT

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Kudos to his family, facing the media, who wanted to crucify Spitzer, that must have been tough.  There's a subtle villification of them, standing beside the pariahed Gov.  Sorry media, I'm not convinced. You think he'd be able to cover his tracks so that it wouldn't come back to him, if he did this, he used to blow whistles on these rings.

 

As for Bishop Jakes...is he like a Catholic Bishop?  How did he get that title?  I've never heard of a "Bishop" preaching in a Protestant venue before.  So he's on the show promoting his book(s) and put a moral spin on Spitzer's situation cause if he had good Christian morals, this never would have happened, right?  Spitzer is Jewish, so maybe a Rabbi would have been a better choice.

I know of bishops in one Protestant denomination, Episcopalian. But,  don't think they hold the same power as Catholoc bishops.  In TD Jakes' case, I'm not sure what the term means. As for morals, they don't have to be Christian, Jewish, or even religious. I see nothing wrong with a Christian commenting an a Jew's moral short-comings. A Jew commenting on a Christian's. Or, an athiest  commenting on either's.
 
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March 17, 2008, 11:55 am PDT

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It cracks me up how people try to minimize bad behavior.  "It was a mistake.  Everyone makes mistakes.  It's human".  I suppose it is all a part of the I'm-not -accountable-for-my-failings society.   Either someone else is to blame, or the behavior is minimized but whatever you do, don't expect anyone to be accountable and take ownership for their own wrongdoing!!! And heaven forbid they should have any consequences for their behavior.
I couldn't see how that woman, from the audience, could characterize Spitzer's involvement with prostitutes as mistakes. People who don't know any better make mistakes. And, no one can argue that Spitzer didn't know any better. Busting up prostitution rings was his claim to fame. It's what got him elected governor with 70% of the vote. Anyone who tells me he made a mistake, I'll laugh 'em off their feet.
 
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March 17, 2008, 12:11 pm PDT

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Let us say your spouse does something totally stupid, off the wall, non- forgiving,  and gives you right to divorce him.  How do you turn off the fact that you love him or her.  I love my husband, unconditionally.  I have been hurt terribly.  I have gone over and over why I love him.  We are fine now, I can't erase things he did that hurt me.  I love him.  I believe God put us together.  I can't turn off the feeling of that love that brought us together.  I think it is wrong to say you will love your spouse through sickness and health, through all sorts of trials but you can just turn off that love if he stumbles or loses his brain.
 
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March 17, 2008, 12:13 pm PDT

Give Me a Break!

 What he did is not a mistake. You do not spend that kind of money and then say I made a mistake. Then his wife stand up there to support him. Give me a Break! What kind of example is he setting for his daughters?  I could see the first time he spent $5,500xhis hours. Saying OK! I made a mistake and I'm seeking help, but $80,000 dollars later is no mistake. I do not have any sympathy for him. So how would he feel if his daughters decided they want to be call girls???? What would he do???
 
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March 17, 2008, 12:15 pm PDT

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Agreed.

 

These policial wives have had decades of learning how to act and speak so as to help get their husbands elected to office (sometimes MANY offices). They walk the walk and talk the talk IN PUBLIC, but just imagine what life is like behind closed doors!

 

Also, I am confident she wanted to rip his throat out, but she is  the mother of his children, so her immediate thoughts are probably on what is the best way to behave for the sake of the children (regardless of their ages). She will most likely do the public "dance" for the cameras and also for the children, but show a different side of herself in private.

 

And, of course, her livelihood DOES go down the toilet when her husband's does, so her welfare IS dependent upon his. It must be scary to think that the income will stop, especially when you've stayed home to raise the family and be the social organizer for years. She is going to do what it takes to have him land on his feet. HER income and that of her children's dependents upon it!

Isn't it amazing that, in this day and age, that many women still depend on men for their identity and livelihood. I've got nothing against women encouraging and supporting their husband's career, be it in the private, or public sector. But, they should guard themselves against ending up in Silda Spitzer's position. Financially dependant on a man who not only cheats on her, but pays for it.
 
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March 17, 2008, 12:30 pm PDT

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The heck with Elit Spitzer!  I want to hear about David Paterson!  He seems to be an amazing person!
 
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March 17, 2008, 12:34 pm PDT

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Let us say your spouse does something totally stupid, off the wall, non- forgiving,  and gives you right to divorce him.  How do you turn off the fact that you love him or her.  I love my husband, unconditionally.  I have been hurt terribly.  I have gone over and over why I love him.  We are fine now, I can't erase things he did that hurt me.  I love him.  I believe God put us together.  I can't turn off the feeling of that love that brought us together.  I think it is wrong to say you will love your spouse through sickness and health, through all sorts of trials but you can just turn off that love if he stumbles or loses his brain.
There's no way I could characterize spending $80,000, including $5,500 for one hour, on prostitutes as a stumble. A brain-fart. Or, a mistake. Especially in someone who used to break up prostitution rings for a living.
 

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March 17, 2008, 12:36 pm PDT

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It so easy to stand behind your husband when everything looks perfect, it’s so easy to have friends when you are successful., but are they truly good friends?, Somehow looks like we forget that human nature is always evolving, changing, the result many big and small mistakes thru our lives.

I will always back up my people and their mistakes. I will personally l stand behind my husband, who is not only the father of my children, is also my friend, my partner, my true love. I really admire her choice; her children are learning and loving her more for what she did. Doesn’t really matter what people fell about it. Family always comes first.

 
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March 17, 2008, 12:41 pm PDT

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I couldn't see how that woman, from the audience, could characterize Spitzer's involvement with prostitutes as mistakes. People who don't know any better make mistakes. And, no one can argue that Spitzer didn't know any better. Busting up prostitution rings was his claim to fame. It's what got him elected governor with 70% of the vote. Anyone who tells me he made a mistake, I'll laugh 'em off their feet.
I'm laughing right along with you!
 

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