Topic : 03/17 Bishop T.D. Jakes

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Are you stuck in an emotional, marital or financial rut? Dr. Phil has advice for reshaping your future, and he’s bringing reinforcements! Joining him is Bishop T.D. Jakes, pastor of one of the fastest-growing mega-churches in the country and author of Reposition Yourself. First up, Dr. Phil and Bishop Jakes tackle a shocking story that made headlines. Tongues wagged when New York Governor Eliot Spitzer resigned over a sex scandal. Should his wife, Silda, have stood by his side? Robin weighs in with a woman’s perspective. And, Rachelle says her husband, Rob, was unjustly fired from his job as a police officer more than eight years ago, and the incident was highly publicized. Rob says his life was turned upside down and admits he hasn't been much of a father or husband since the firing. His four children say they want their "vacation dad" to be their full-time dad. What's really at the root of Rob's pain, and what will it take for him to return to being the man Rachelle married? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 19, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

YOU WOULD NOT DO THE JOB

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While most officers are hardworking professionals, far too many are downright abusive.  Knowing your rights is an important first line of defense against harassment and abuse by law-enforcement.  As an advocate for civil rights and police accountability, it is quite disturbing to know that such gross misconduct still comes easily to some officers.  To protect yourself and your constitutional rights, it is very important to know your rights and make smart choices in tough situations.  Some of my favorite resouces about reporting law enforcement abuse are: 

 

 

Submit a Law Enforcement Abuse Complaint Form

www.policeabuse.com

 

Just Say "NO" to Unwarranted Police Searches

www.FlexYourRights.org 

 

Justice and Science:  Trials and Triumphs of DNA Evidence by George Woody Clarke

 

 

The Police Complaint Center documents and investigates alleged incidents of police abuse.  The staff consists of students, researchers, attorneys, former police officers and licensed private investigators.  The organization believes that many police organizations have done a poor job of protecting the public from abusive officers.  Their primary service is assisting victims of police misconduct with reporting complaints to appropriate enforcement agencies.  They also investigate police and sheriffs deputies that are accused of abusive behaviors.

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

If you have never walked in to the officers shoes don’t make the assumption of how they "all” act. I can guarantee 90 percent of you would not do their job for no more money than they make, to get called names to be spit on , hit , kicked, thrown up on, shot at. and cursed. In some city's this is daily. They don’t do this job for the money it is the love of the job and the satisfaction of helping the community. Are they saints?? No they are not, do they make mistakes? Yes they do. But unlike you when you make mistakes they are held in the public eyes and critized.  I have been doing this job as a female for 17years and “NO” were not perfect but we do the best we can and we have been taught the right way to defend our self in training. I feel if you don’t know the whole story you should not make assumptions on how he defended him self. You always rely on your training when you are in those difficult situations.

 

 

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March 19, 2008, 3:14 pm PDT

Spitzer story

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When the Spitzer story first broke, in the context of so many women standing by their cheating husbands, I wasn't surprized. Do I believe in it? Do i agree with it? Robin's words, in yesterday's preview, were my thoughts before I even saw it. I wouldn't stand by him. I wouldn't stand behind him. He didn't keep his vows to her. Why should she keep hers to him. As for why so many women stand by these men, I think it's often a matter of political expedience. Such as Hillary , in spite of Bill's many affairs, never letting go of his coat-tails. And, look how it's gotten her.

After my husband and I watched this I looked at him and told that if he had done that to me, while he was at the news briefing, I would have had the locks changed on the doors of our home and a Uhaul would be backed up to the house and his stuff would be in it. He knows the consequenses for his actions. I think that is a lot of todays problems. Whether it be men, women or kids. No one knows the consequences or even have any so they do whatever they want. Too little respect to people causes a lot of heartache. My heart went ou to Mrs. Spitzer. No woman should have to go through what she did.

 
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March 19, 2008, 4:26 pm PDT

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Stand by your man may have been a good song title, but having been that woman not once but twice now, I can tell you it's not good advice. The Bible tells us this is the only REAL excuse for a legal divorce for a woman!! I speak from my own heart when I say that NO woman deserves this treatment nor the embaracement attached to it!! I say this because I caught my husband just before he strayed & let the woman know via email to stay away from him, it worked. Now she informs me when he emails her. We women really are smarter. If a man tries it a second time he deserves whatever the judge decides he gets.

Do you know what the judge decided my ex got in our community property state?  He admited that my money bought the house we lived in for 27 years, he admitted my ex was the one who strayed (hell my ex admitted that in the divorce papers himself)  and then the judge awarded him 40 percent of my pension for life, 45 perccent of the house and I got 50 percent of an IRA!  Then, to top it all off, my ex said he was so devastated from losing me, he couldn't work, and the judge awarded him support for one year while he got back on his feet and the girlfriend got $100.00 rent a month!  (I called it money for services rendered.)  That was with a great lawyer in a small town where the judge, the only show in town, told me that I chose to go into the world of work so it was my fault. 

 

Now my ex is retired and I still work.  But----- I am still glad I made the choices I did.  Do I think the court system is fair, having gone through it?  No. (P.S. - a local woman took on the judge and had him brought up on charges.  She lost custody of her children.  I guess I was lucky.)  Did my ex get what he deserved?  Not by a long shot!!!!

 
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March 19, 2008, 5:32 pm PDT

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Do you know what the judge decided my ex got in our community property state?  He admited that my money bought the house we lived in for 27 years, he admitted my ex was the one who strayed (hell my ex admitted that in the divorce papers himself)  and then the judge awarded him 40 percent of my pension for life, 45 perccent of the house and I got 50 percent of an IRA!  Then, to top it all off, my ex said he was so devastated from losing me, he couldn't work, and the judge awarded him support for one year while he got back on his feet and the girlfriend got $100.00 rent a month!  (I called it money for services rendered.)  That was with a great lawyer in a small town where the judge, the only show in town, told me that I chose to go into the world of work so it was my fault. 

 

Now my ex is retired and I still work.  But----- I am still glad I made the choices I did.  Do I think the court system is fair, having gone through it?  No. (P.S. - a local woman took on the judge and had him brought up on charges.  She lost custody of her children.  I guess I was lucky.)  Did my ex get what he deserved?  Not by a long shot!!!!

That sucks...

This is a good reason why people should have pre-nup's
 
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March 19, 2008, 8:34 pm PDT

police officer

Thank you so very much for featuring the police officer who was fired from his job.  Although one of my sons is retired from a police department in the South (and was hired back to do more specialized work) I am sure he will be interested in seeing a tape of this show.  Also, the one about Eliot Spitzer.

 

By the way, as to walking in front of one's wife or any woman, it is pretty low-class to let her always go ahead to pave the way for a guy.  For example, in my day, we were told that if there is an usher in a theater, the woman goes down the aisle first; otherwise, the man goes first, ostensibly to clear the way!  Even if today's woman doesn't need a man to make the way clear, it still shows a man has some manners.

 

Pushing your way through a crowd or emerging from a bus, vehicle, or airplane, are more example that separate the classes and distinguishes good manners, even if one is otherwise stupid.  (My generation was also told that if one has to ask what "class" is, you don't have it.)  Have you noticed the Bushes and how they do it?  Admitted, he may come down the steps because of his rank, but I rather think he walks down the steps first and his wife follows him-- as a nice upper-middle class fine point of good manners.  This is just in case the woman catches one of her spike heels in a crack and tumbles forward.  But lo, there is a Sir Walter Raleigh to catch her!

 
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March 19, 2008, 10:01 pm PDT

I agree

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I have nothing against Bishop T.D. Jakes, but confused why Dr. Phil has him on the show so often lately.  I would of much rather heard more of Dr. Phil's views on this topic not the Bishop's - That's why I watch the Dr. Phil Show - anyone agree??

I think Dr. Phil introduces the Bishop as if he is doing a commercial for the church.  Every great speaker or counselor has their own source of inspiration and I respect that this is Dr. Phil's guru.  But-  We like to hear from Dr. Phil.  When I hear the promotion of the Bishop's book and "The fastest growing mega church in the country" I expect to see a toll free number scolling across the bottom of the screen. 

If this is going to be a religious show then why not cover religious topics when the Bishop is on?  Afraid that it is crossing a line?  Well it is.  But if he is going to share the stage with Dr. Phil then who wants to hear what he thinks of Silda Spitzer?  Dr. Phil did a show on child molestation.  Many of the posts from those who were molested as children said, "Where was God for me?"  Let the Bishop take a crack at that.
 
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March 20, 2008, 8:31 am PDT

Been There

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To those who seem to understand that you don't understand until you walk in those shoes.  I too have suffered the consequences of an affair.  My husband's affair made the front page of the paper, he lost his job, our insurance, and many other things .... aside from what it did to our family.  We are still together even though I too was one of "those" woman who would never stay.  Well, never say never.  I was pregnant at the time, had two children, a home and a life.  The easy way would have been to walk out - easy for me.  To stay has been the hardest choice I have ever made.  I had to think about everyone involved, most importantly my children.  These comments from other women about what they would or wouldn't do are very hurtful for the woman attempting to put the pieces back together.  Your life literally falls apart, a hurt you cannot image, and a total disbelief when you realize that your reality is not, nor was it, the reality you believed it to be.  Thank you for having Bishop Jakes on the show, his reasoning, beliefs and comments are exactly what others should be thinking. 

Your words were so well spoken.  The women out there who have never been through it CANNOT understand nor can they really know what they would do if it happened.   Even Robin... especially Robin! 

 

I had always been one of those women who said "I would NEVER stay".... until I found out my husband had been doing exactly what Mr. Spitzer had been doing -  using escort services while out of town on business.  Only I found out about it 3 years ago and have been working through it ever since.  At the time, I could not find a single other woman that had been through exactly what I had been through - infidelity via escort services.  Three years later the issue is on national TV!   Why I stayed is very complex but you summarized it well when you said:

 

"To stay has been the hardest choice I have ever made.  I had to think about everyone involved, most importantly my children.  These comments from other women about what they would or wouldn't do are very hurtful for the woman attempting to put the pieces back together.  Your life literally falls apart, a hurt you cannot image, and a total disbelief when you realize that your reality is not, nor was it, the reality you believed it to be. "

 

My husbands infidelities were totally unexpected and they completely knocked my foundation out from under me.  (I am not a fool, he was just a great liar).  I had to deal with the fact that the man I married did NOT actually exist and never did.  You see, the man I married would have NEVER used escort services!  He was just not that kind of guy (if I thought he was I would not have married him!)  The man I married was a great husband, a great father, a great provider, a good Christian, and a devoted family man.  That was my reality.  So now I have to reconcile within myself that my reality was not real.  The man I married obviously could and did use escort services... he was that kind of guy and I AM married to him!   Lots of counseling, lots of work, lots of tears.  I made a commitment and just because he did wrong does not mean it is OK for me to break my commitment to my family.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

I had to do everything I could to at least try to work through it.  I felt I owed it to God and my children (who thankfully are young and we were able to keep this tragedy from them).   So that is what I am doing and it is the hardest thing I have ever done and it seems neverending.  A second chance has been given,.... but there will not be a third.  If it happens again, I will leave the marriage in peace knowing I did all I could but it wasn't meant to be.   It is so much harder to stay than it is to walk away, and I wouldn't do it if he weren't doing everything in his power to earn back my love and trust.

 

The last point I want to make is this:  If I were to walk away (or Mrs. Spitzer for that matter) it would not take away all the hurt, anger, confusion, etc..  I would still have to be working through those feelings.  But in staying, I am at least saving a family.

 
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March 20, 2008, 12:37 pm PDT

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I agree...well, you know me well enough to know that there are always going to be grey areas IMO, but cheating is NEVER something good to do. Not saying someone wouldn't have a good reason for it, but they should at the very LEAST give their spouse the option of leaving first. Behind-the-back-sneaking-around-lying cheating is always bad. People have a right to know if their spouse is having sex with someone else.

It would be interesting to see them debate...Dr. Phil and Dr. Laura are both very very very conservative from where I stand, but, it's debates like that that become interesting, because of their similar view points they might get into a more nuanced discussion rather than two polar opposites who just scream at each other on a superficial level.

That book of hers disgusted me to my core, but I am sure that doesn't surprise you either! LOL

I haven't put my feeders out yet...we got snow the other day! It melted off a few hours later, but it's still just a bit too chilly to bother. I will be putting them up the first week of April for sure, that is when the first few start to show up here in Utah. I am SO excited! If it stops getting below freezing I might put them up earlier. I have a plan to have them eat out of my hand, or, out of a hand held feeder anyway. I think I can do it! LOL!

Aren't birds amazing?
You want to know a book that really disgusted me? Maribel Morgan's "The Total Woman." It's all about manipulating whatever you want  out of your husband. Including meeting him at the door wearing nothing but Glad wrap. I can't tell you how many women tried this, thinking their husband was at the door. But, it was a salesman.
I found some limited value in Dr Lauar's book. But, she does place too much of the onus on wives.
Didn't know you lived in Utah. Were you raised LDS?
I live in Northeast GA. We get Ruby Thoated hummingbirds. The females are a dull gray-green. But, the males have green backs, white chests, and a ruby throat. What kind do you get out West?
 
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March 20, 2008, 12:38 pm PDT

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EXACTLY! I can't even say more than that other than...EXACTLY!
Isn't it amazing how much an athiest and a Christisn can find to agree on?
 
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March 20, 2008, 2:04 pm PDT

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Personally I would not be by my husbands side in this situation--however, that does not mean that I would leave him..You have to weigh everything.  If he is abusive I would be gone and never coming back no matter what he said..  If he was a cheater more than once --gone--I would never find it in my heart to believe him again..   For Mrs. spitzer god bless her but standing by your man is not the only option!  You have feelings and a life-- Make him pay--find yourself someone who you can be happy with --life is too short and you need to be really loved and appreciated..Being alone instead of selling yourself --you will learn that being alone and being lonely are two different scenarios--and alone can be a great life.
And, I agree. While some would say infidelity is no excuse to leave your spouse, I can't see it that way. Dr Phil regards certain things as marital deal-breakers. Abuse. Alcoholism. Drug addiction. And, infidelity. Especially of such a gross nature as Spitzer's. There's no telling what kind of STD's could've been passed around.
 

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