Topic : 03/18 Love Junkies

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Created on : Friday, March 14, 2008, 02:37:04 pm
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Are you in love with being in love? Do you jump from relationship to relationship because you can’t stand the thought of being single? Dr. Phil’s first guest, Dawn, says she definitely fits this description. The 42-year-old says she’s been hopping from guy to guy since she was 14, has been married and divorced four times and is now in a three-year relationship and feeling the itch. Dawn’s current boyfriend, Paul, feels like he's being used and says he’s not ready to be her fifth ex-husband! Kurtis, Dawn’s 22-year-old son, says it’s high time his mom settled down. Is Paul really Dawn's true love or should he pack his things and hit the road? Then, Joanne says her cousin, Theresa, is obsessed with her boyfriend, Ken. Joanne and Theresa’s sister, Christine, say Ken is mentally abusive, but no matter what he does, Theresa keeps going back for more. They say Ken threw Theresa, her kids and all their belongings out on the front yard for the entire neighborhood to see, and she still took him back. Joanne and Christine aren’t the only ones who dislike Ken. Theresa’s mom says she can’t stand him either -- to the point where she hasn’t spoken to her daughter in nearly two years! Theresa says she just can’t live without her man, and her relatives will have to deal with their relationship. Don’t miss Dr. Phil’s plan for mending this broken family and talk about the show here.

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March 19, 2008, 1:55 pm PDT

someone thought of me when this show aired :(

 i have had more bad than good relationships and i can't get into all of them but after losing a very important love that just can't be-i have been lonely after 3 years alone and i just can't seem to get the love and attention i feel at 36 i should have and want to give back in return. every one gives mixed messeges-don't look for it and u will find in-or you are really putting yourself out there-or just focus on yourself not love. this is frustrating and confusing!
 
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March 19, 2008, 4:01 pm PDT

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  When I grew up, my grandmother would always tell me "men come and go, but your children are your children forever". I didn't understand what she meant at the time, now I do, but my daughter doesn't. (By the way, my mother abandoned me for "her man").  I have been a professional for 18 years, and am ashamed to be in this terrible situation. My daughter receives support from the government, but t he government money supports my daughter  and  "her man". The children are a meal ticket for their "love".
As I sit here typing, I am listening to vintage Billy Holiday, and the recurring themes are "me and my man" "he beats me" "I am on my knees" "whatever my my man is, I am his forever more"  "my man, I love him so"...etc.... clearly, this is not a new sickness.  All for "the man she loves". Is that not sick? An adult who will trade everything in life for the "current"  man that treats her like crap. It is mental illness that apparently is like a sunami, no warning, no where to run, and no hope that the grandchildren will survive until she is dead or incarcerated for life.    I do not understand why my daughter has chosen to remain in habitual abusive relationships, as this was not in her upbringing. When this started, I remained of the "tough love" position ( I was punished by denial of seeing the oldest grandson because I refused to fork over money). I watched her father (my ex) enable her behavior/actions, and now there are 2 grandchildren at stake, neither of which chose her lifestyle options. I have been through the legal route with the first grandchild. The legal system does not protect the children and my financial security was devestated, my career jeopardized, and I walked away from my true love (the drama was too stressful).   Now, with the second grandchild (second man), it looks my daughter still has not changed, except that I am alone to carry the burden. I will not jeopardize anymore of my financial security, (my career).... so I wait and try to protect my grandchildren from this sickness as much as I can. I try to hide my exhaustion and frustration from the children. I am physically tired. I "take care" of my grandchildren 80 % of the time. No money to her, just safe haven for the kids. I am seeing no positive resolution to her behavior and the trauma it brings to my grandchildren.    Yet, I must live for at least 20 more years, so that I can raise my grandchildren and continue to pick up the pieces, as I anticipated that my daughter will be dead before I die....  killed by an abusive boyfriend and/or will be incarcerated. I  must candidly admit that I would be relieved if she were dead, as then my grandchildren would be free from this sickness that she brings to our life. Is that not sick also?
So, as I send this letter out to the cosmos..I expect nothing to change. But, if by some chance there is a way to stop this sickness...please share it with me. I saw the list of "self help" books for this situation but can only read one...so which one??


 1st, before you read any book, please realize you have nothing to be ashamed of.  even though this is your daughter, she is an adult and responsible for her own choices. even if you think you did something in childrearing to lead to this situation, she has had plenty of time (2 relationships and 2 kids' worth of time) to think things over and change her ways. your grandchildren are very lucky to have you there for them. i think, instead of being ashamed, you should take pride in what you are doing for them. clearly, your daughter is like your mom and you are giving your grandchildren the love and care that i imagine your grandmother gave to you.

i don't blame you for trying tough love at 1st -- and i don't blame you for relenting later on b/c of the kids. one of the problems with tough love, as you have seen, is that the son or daughter can "strike back," especially if he/she is an adult and/or "has the grandkids." your are doiing your best. you can't change your daughter or make up for her mistakes and you aren't expected to. please continue to be there for your grandkids,  but perhaps you can enlist some help from a friend, neighbor, another relative? or your daughter could get some childcare help from the governement just as she gets money? i'm sure they do that sort of thing, but it may depend on the state. you need some days off from childcare.
 
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March 19, 2008, 4:05 pm PDT

addicted to love?

Watching Tuesday's show made me so sad for those women. I especially felt sad for the woman who is dating Ken, the alcoholic and drug abuser. Actually I feel very sad for her children. She was once married to their father and was active in their life and now she is so focused on a drug addicted man that she can't  even think straight. She seemed to me very immature in the way she spoke and I wonder if she is doing drugs also. She is lucky to have a mother and sisters that love her enough to get her help and I hope she and her family can re-connect and have a good life. I wonder where the father of those children are and if he is trying to keep his kids away from Ken. If he's not he should be. Those kids deserve to have a happy and safe life. She needs to end it with Ken for good!
 
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March 19, 2008, 4:27 pm PDT

4 husbands to 0

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Well, I wonder if a woman dates a large number of men, there are going to ultimately be some of them who are interested in marriage? It's possible that Dawn shouldn't have married any or all of them in the first place. Maybe she just couldn't say "No" because she was so caught up in the euphoria of the game. Is it possible there were red flags that she ignored before each marriage? She seemed to indicate that SHE is the one who decides to leave the marriage. But that would indicate that she had married 4 "perfect?" men. And I'm not sayin' that there is a limit to the number of men a woman should date. Just that if a woman DOES date a lot of men, there might be more of a chance that she will run across some out of that large number who will be interested in marriage. I have friends who have never married. Some of them have come across men through the years who were interested in marriage. But, my friends weren't interested in getting married just to be married.
 i was wondering when someone was going to raise this issue. not everybody thinks it's terrible to have had lots of relationships, especially not women swho have trouble getting one. but you're right, there's no reason tho think that they were all "good" men -- or that her definition of a good man was the same as the women who is lamenting her single status.

often, i think,  women who have a lot of relationships and marriages over the years don't look as closely, at first, as women who "can't find any." or maybe they dont focus on the same things. yes, dawn may look closely after she'is a relationship -- to "see" if the guy  still seems to 'love" her, etc. however, she may not be looking hard enough at personal qualities  or she'd be more likely to weed out the truly 'bad" guys and stay with a kind, caring man.

in fact, dawn and this other woman could probably learn from each other. women like dawn may need to learn to pay attention to what's really important --  to brains and character more than emotional highs. and those who "can't find" anyone may need to relax her standards a little, cut the guys a little slack, so to speak., accept a few more human flaws in a man. food for thought, i suppose...
 
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March 19, 2008, 4:38 pm PDT

dawn and theresa

 about dawn: actually, it's not that unusual, i don't think, for a teenager to break up with someone after 2 years.  what's questionlble about her romantic life is that htis pattern has continued way into adult life. i guess that's obvious, but i would hate some teenager to catch the show and say, "oh no1 something'swrong with me! i just broke up with my boyfriend!"

about theresa: on the other hand,  my friends and i have noticed that many couples today go together for 3, 4 even years or more before either becoming engaged or breaking up for good. it's not uncommon for them to "break-up-to-make-up" several times, in fact, before they call it quits for real. b/c of the drugs, alcohol and abuse involve, i'm glad dr.phil is now in the picture. but my point is this relationship would probably run it's course and end after a while, anyhow.

i don't know how old theresa is, of course. i've noticed that the time span seems to be shorter for older couples than younger ones. but my point is that even if her family feels this has been going on "a long time," it may not be that long according to today's patterns.

i wish the best of luck to both these women and the people affected by their choices.
 
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March 19, 2008, 6:02 pm PDT

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What the?? The reason she tears apart mens lives is because she was bullied in school. WOW!! thats right well I am going out to ruin a life because I was bullied in school as well. I believe that bullying is a problem, I have 2 young children in school. But a lot of people get bullied a little here and there and never grow up to inflict pain on others. Why do you give people a free pass? Have you ever heard two wrongs don't make a right. She hurts people because she is a person that hurts people not because when she was 7 someone called her a name.

Have you ever had someone put dog food in bubblegum? Have you ever had to wear orthopedic gear and braces to school? She's a victim. I'm sorry you can't see it that way. She hurts people because she's been hurt.  She's afraid to be rejected because all she's known in life is rejection. Can you imagine that? She feels it will only be a matter of time before she's rejected, so she should cut to the chase, and leave the relationship before it happens.

 

She wouldn't be like this if our schools delt with bullies as they are, cruel sadists preying on targets. This is a message to everyone that bullying is not a small issue, it destroys lives. I understand she is hurting other people, but this is because she has not come to terms with all the pain that was unjustly given to her by monsters, who saw her as prey. Do you think it's reasonable to emotionaly abuse and torture someone just because they might be different, or not fit in?

 
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March 19, 2008, 6:06 pm PDT

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Different people react different ways.  Consider yourself lucky that you are able to posses the coping skills to handle bullying and such as that.  Some of us don't in this world. 

Exactly, some of us aren't born with tough as nails skin. She should realize that people who have been bullied suffer from Post-Trumatic Stress Disorder, the same disorder that war veterans get from battle. This is from the constant fear and terror of encountering the bully at the school they are forced to go to daily. Nobody would put up with such harassment in a buisness, but in school you're supposed to just ignore it, or understand the bullies are the way they are cause they are victims.

 

You want to talk about school shootings. Look at how many of the shooters said they did it as a result of bullying. It is nothing short of emotional abuse. It destroys people, it's not an issue of building character. It's an issue of allowing schools to be a dog eat dog world.

 
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March 19, 2008, 6:08 pm PDT

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It sounds like she was bullied alot more than being called a name here and there.  She had a club foot and needed special shoes through 9th grade, and wore a brace that goes all the way around.  Kids can be extremely cruel especially when something is different about a person.  From what was said on the show it sounds like she was tormented quite a bit.  A BIG difference from being called a name at age 7 as you say.

 

I am not at all saying that two wrongs make a right,  I do not condone hurting people, nor do I think that the poster you responded to was implying that she should get a free pass.  There is no justification for hurting another person. I think Dawn is a very insecure person who collects men to try to fill up her empty self-esteem bucket. But it is not working; not for her, her son or the men she gets involved with.  This woman appears to need serious counseling and needs to learn to love and accept herself.  Only then can she stop the destructiveness she inflicts upon herself,  her son and the men she gets involved with.

 

Clearly this person doesn't understand the psychological reprecussions, of having to go to a place everyday where you experience emotional abuse, and nobody is willing to help you. What if it was about someone calling her a name at age 7, does that make it somehow less valid that she was preyed upon by inhuman monsters? These sadist children need to be taken out of the public schools and put somewhere away from innocents to attack.
 
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March 19, 2008, 6:11 pm PDT

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Exactly! I can't believe the number of people who posted here have the nerve to call Dawn a bad person, etc. I have only seen a few intelligent posts on here that wasn't bashing on her, & who saw it for what Dawn is going throughout her life, & I commend them for it.
We know she was abused by children in school. That her first experience with other people was rejection. How do you expect someone who's first experience with meeting strangers, is pain and suffering? I'm tired of hearing about how children can be cruel. It's not cruelty, it's sadism, they are getting off on someone else's pain. That is sick, it is wrong. These monsters need to be put in a school where they can be healed.
 
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March 19, 2008, 6:15 pm PDT

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  • I don't understand where Dawn is coming from. I don't think anyone can fully understand it unless they are going through it. BUT,,, having trauma in your life when you are a child, changes a piece of who you are from that moment on. A child cannot and does not have the ability to file that moment of time away in the correct place in their mind. Therefore, they build their life on and around the bad things that happened. bullying is traumatic and it sounds like hers really did a number on her.
  • Since a child cannot possibly know exactly how to put that bad experience in the proper place, they build and rebuild their life from that experience. Part of that rebuilding IS protecting yourself from getting hurt again. After her abusive marriage, I would be willing to bet that it all came back to her. She OBVIOUSLY has the ability to love and care for someone becuase her son is still behind her and he seems to genuinely care about her.
  • Everyone's mind set up is different. I think that our bringing up is embedded in us and is a part of who we are. Bullying is a form of abuse for a child. No one can determine how a person should react about it as an adult. Dawn built her life on hurt and she is reacting to it! Is it right? NO!!! She does hurt people and it's wrong! But she came to Dr. Phil and acknowledged it! That speaks volumes about the changes she wants to make.  I hope she follows through and I wish her the best. 
You're very right. Bullying is abuse, not just for children. It is the abuse of another person, by a person who gains pleasure from watching their pain. We allow children to behave in this sick manner, and then wonder why they are abusive adults.
 

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