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Created on : Thursday, March 20, 2008, 12:38:55 pm
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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 25, 2008, 8:19 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: bettylamanna

These women are just selfish. If they didn't want kids then why did they have them. I want kids so badly, it hurts. I was told that I may never have kids of my own. I would jump at the chance to be a mom. And I think that these women should count their blessings and stop being so damn heartless and selfish.

Off topic. I love your icon! It's such a shame that with all the other 80's shows they re-released, they only re-released the Rainbow Brite Star Stealer movie, none of the show.
 
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March 25, 2008, 8:20 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: pghgirlamy

Being a mom of a son who has RAD and ODD, it was obvious that Alyssa was a RAD child.

Two books that have helped us are Beyond Consequences and Parenting with Love & Logic.

Let's educate each other, not judge each other. Until you walk this road, you will not understand.

A therapist put it in a nutshell for us "Adoptive kids are traumatized kids." I live it, I know.

No offense, but children who suffer a genuine attachment disorder are unable to create affectionate bonds with anyone, not just with one person. Thus, I don't get why you have concluded that it is "obvious" Alyssa is a RAD child when apparently only one person (her adoptive mother) has concluded that she is incapable of attachment--because she isn't attached to her. I think a lot of people here may themselves be struggling with their own conflicted feelings about motherhood, so they are automatically sympathetic to women expressing such conflicts, without examining their conduct and attitudes objectively.
 
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March 25, 2008, 8:22 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: bootjack

 1) The husband won't "let" his wife put their child in a home.  She needs help and he needs to man up and let himself help her.  They are in this together.  Trade days for caregiving,hire help, find respite.
2) Look at the barriers to home care.  Why are they living in a house with stairs?  Where is the nearest bathroom?  Why are they lifting him?  They are not lifting him safely and if they don't hurt themselves this week it could be next week --or they could hurt him.  Manual lifts are available.  If husband won't let him be in a facility they need to spend the bucks on making the environment safe. Such denial.  And how do you clean poop off a microfiber couch.  You can almost always train the bowels to evacuate at the same time or times every day.  The parents are stuck in a bad place and need education.

A red flag is if the husband said, "Ok honey go put the child in an institution where perhaps they could get raped, have ammonia shot up their nose, and abused in a variety of ways all without being able to do a thing about it, cause he can communicate."

 

The only person who was taking care of their child WAS the husband! Didn't you see that? He was the one saying don't put their son in a home. He was the one who was interacting with him beyond disciplining him. If anyone is being a 3rd wheel here it's the wife.

 
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March 25, 2008, 8:23 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: beth_a_hafele

As I am watching this show I am very upset that these people on this show are sitting bitching and complaining about there kids and how they want to "send them back" because they don't like what they got for kids.  I am ANGRY AS HELL that these people have to be soooooooooooo inconsiderate about there kids.   I don't understand what the hell they want from there kids.  The lady with the Down Syndrome child doesn't understand that God Gave her this child because he knew that she was the kid of person to take care of this kind of a child.  I don't think Dr. Phil should have just sat there and let them(the parent's)just "rag" on and on about the children the way he did with any of the parents on the show.  You can't blame the kids as they were brought into this world for a reason-----and that reason was to be loved, and cared for no matter what was wrong with the children or not.  I really think what the lady needs with the Down Syndrome child is help with in home health care of some sort and maybe a person to come into there home and find a way to equipt them with ways of getting him around and "forcing" him to walk as the clip showed the dad making him get up the stairs.   DR PHIL-----YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU GIVE ADVICE TO ANY PARENT TO FIRST TELL THEM "STRAIGHT UP" "STOP BLAMING YOUR CHILDREN FOR THE HIGH EXPECTATIONS YOU THINK YOUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE AND BE HAPPY TO HAVE THE CHILDREN YOU HAVE NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE!!!!!"  
You are awesome! And here I thought I was a great ranter. I bow to thee, I'm not wooorrrttthhy, I'm not woooorrrttthhyyy!
 
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March 25, 2008, 8:24 pm PDT

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I also have a child that is disabled and I understand what she is trying to say.  I don't think youth has anything to do with it.  I don't agree that she is very judgmental.  I agree with her.  You can't just decide all the sudden that your child isn't what you wanted and you are tired of being the mother.  Loving and caring for someone disabled is and can be a huge reward.  It depends on what you put into it which is the same as raising any child.  You reap what you sow.   Love can move a mountain and resentment and selfishness can destroy anything.

So, you agree that a parent who needs support is a whiner?

I have three children, my oldest is 3.Two of them have special needs. I need a support system. Does that make me a whiner? Because I have therapists who help me, does that make me weak? There are days I cry at night, wondering if I've done enough, and I am lucky to have a supportive and wonderful husband...does that make me less of a good mother? Are you kidding?

 

"You people do need criticism. You are weak....all this support group nonsense, is just that, NONSENSE. How weak are you that you have to sit around on search online so you can whine about how hard parent hood is? WAH WAH. Guess what!? You can cry me a river, build me a bridge, and then get over it. If you all want to do is make clubs and groups about you special needs children so you can sit around and complain fine. All i know is that everyday me and my mother cater to Keith's needs, without complaint, because it's not his fault. He was sent to us and everyday we wake up ready to do anything we can to make his world a better place. No complaints. We just do it! No national support groups required!"

 

Perhaps you should have read that entry closer before you jumped in to support it. She was talking about me, and you...if you need a support system too. She is young, inexperienced, and judgemental. If you are too, with what you have experienced, I'm ashamed for you.

 
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March 25, 2008, 8:26 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: tdevore72

You say that the process of adoption is so slow, then I have an idea for you.  Go to your local county depart of human services and become an adoptive parent of a child with special needs.  The process goes much more quickly.  You say to send our children to Oklahoma and you will take them.  Go online, there are children in every state that are available for adoption.  Your reference to having a "differently abled" son does not impress me.  These moms were at least being honest about their circumstances.  I am not judging your situation, because I don't know it, but please do not judge mine either.  Pray for these children to open their hearts to God.  It's the only thing that helped my daughter.  Please offer prayer instead of judgement.
The adoption process is slow.  We waited 4 years for our little boy.  We are on the list to adopt again and we are with DHS and have been through all the class to adopt through the state.  It still is a waiting game and takes a long time.  As to calling my son "differently abled" that is what it is.  I don't believe anyone is disabled.  I think anyone can do anything.  It just takes some a "different" way to do things.  I'm not judging.  I know it's hard!  I think there are better ways of handling trials and tribulations.  We pray for "differently abled" children and their parents every night.  We know what it's like. 
 
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March 25, 2008, 8:31 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

every parent at one point or another thinks omg what have i got myself into here, but the love i feel for my children surpasses everything else, these little lives are given to us not by there choice but by ours. It is our resposablity to  them to give them everything we can, many many people can never conceive i feel truely blessed for my children, but i also feel very sad for those parents that just can not cope with children with such handicaps,  iam not sure how it works in the usa but over here in australia we have a number of things set where the child spends half the time in care centres and half the time in the family home, it helps spread the load and the centres are wonderful they love and support the families and give the children so much help.
 
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March 25, 2008, 8:31 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Cause we all know how taking children's things away from them as punishment, instills a great sense of trust of their parents. I'm being sarcastic. If I took away things you enjoyed from you, what would you learn from that? Other than I'm a theif. All discipling your children by taking things from them teaches them is:

 

1. My parents are to be feared, because if I don't do as they say I'll loose the things I love.

 

2. The way to teach people how to do what I want, is to threaten them.

 

3. When I'm in school I'll be able to bully the other children, because my parents bully me and I'm powerless to stop them. So I'm going to take out my powerlessness, by holding power over those who I think are beneath me.

 

You want to raise a bully for a child?

 

 

If I were to go by your standard, then i should be afraid and untrusting of the government b/c they can remove some of my possessions if I disobey the law.  I trust my parents.  They took things away from me when I disobeyed th rules of their house, and I had to earn them back.  THIEVES????  They bought the stuff for me!!!  They paid for it!!!!  It wasn't really mine, they allowed me the use of those things, provided I adhered to their household rules.  It's really very simple:  Children need structure.  Children need to know what the rules are.  Children need to know that in the rule world, when you disobey the rules, the price can sometimes be very dear.  I'd rather my sons learn that by losing their power ranger figurines for the day then by spending 10 years in prison when their 30!  This is of course an exaggeration, but the point I'm trying to make is that in this life ,there are consequences for our actions and this must be early on in life.  the sooner we can teach our children this the better off they will be.
 

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March 25, 2008, 8:33 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: yoshiyoshi

I agree with you completely. We are in a society that suffers from mommy martyr syndrome. We have shows like this where all the mothers do is whine about the position they put themselves into. Unfortunetly, despite how well Dr. Phil did at explaining that the mothers don't have a right to play martryrs, there are parents who will see the title of this show, and feel it's approving of them having a victim mentality about being a parent.

 

You can't even ask a parent to move their children down a few tables, so you don't have to hear them scream or yell, without a diatribe about how hard their life is and you're not a parent so you have no right to adress them. This is a major problem with our society, we're tellng parents, especially mothers, that they are entitled to acting as if the rest of society is beneath them. Even at times their own children.

 

I think parents who joke about abandoning their children, should have their children taken from them. They're admitting their child is at risk, of them at a whim deciding they just don't want to do it anymore. They're kids, not virtual pets.

 

This mother doesn't understand why her son with Down Syndrome/Autism keeps saying "mean!" at her, well it's probably cause she is mean to him. She's not taking the time nor the effort to understand him. She sees the only way to interact with him is through discipline.

 

If this show had anything positive for it, it showed that the husbands were far better parents than their wives. Like that woman who kept saying I want to leave my family, fine, go. Give her children the opportunity to have a mother who cares. Not a mother who in public says she'd die for her kids, then in the next sentence talk about leaving them at school like sacks of flour.

 

Do these mothers think their children are unable to hear that they're not in this with full support. Do they think that they don't know their mommy cares about them with the same extent they would care about a object? Why do you think these kids are having problems, cause instead of being raised by their mothers, their mothers are on the phone playing martyr mommy with their friends.

 

Hikerchick, expect to get alot of angry posts here. As someone who tells parents alot of what they don't want to hear on bulletin boards, I know very well that it's expected that I'll be the target of alot of parent temper tantrums. What I'm saying is, alot of people probably won't agree with you. You are dealing with reality the best way you can. When you tell parents they have to buck up and live in the same world you and I live in, it's easier for them to attack what they don't want to deal with, than to deal with it.

 I have a daughter with DS who is 11. She does not have autism, but she does have extreme behavioral issues. Clearly, you do NOT have a clue what is/isn't available to familes of children with issues like this! First, it depends upon where you live. I happen to be very lucky, and live in an area where not only is there a lot available, but there is funding for it as well. But even a program like KKI runs several HUNDRED thousand dollars!!!! There is NO program that pays for THAT!!!! Only rarely will insurance pay for it, because it's not considered medically necessary.

Guess what? Even with all the help we can muster, awesome school staff, etc. we're still at our witt's end. So is school staff. My daughter is getting bigger and much more difficult to manage. Another year and I will no longer be able to physically move her (she often needs to be physically removed from an area to keep other students or family members safe, and to prevent the entire house (or classroom) from being destroyed.

You think these parents are doing this ON A WHIM??? Are you crazy? You can't see that they agonize over this every day? I know what sheer exhaustion from dealing with your child is like. I'm there...and if I were to compare, my child's behavior is only 1/2 of what this young man displays. Until you live ONE DAY in the shoes of a parent dealing with this stuff day in and day out, you have NO IDEA!!!!! You can't get it by watching a 10 minute segment on TV.
 
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March 25, 2008, 8:40 pm PDT

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Quote From: yoshiyoshi

Cause we all know how taking children's things away from them as punishment, instills a great sense of trust of their parents. I'm being sarcastic. If I took away things you enjoyed from you, what would you learn from that? Other than I'm a theif. All discipling your children by taking things from them teaches them is:

 

1. My parents are to be feared, because if I don't do as they say I'll loose the things I love.

 

2. The way to teach people how to do what I want, is to threaten them.

 

3. When I'm in school I'll be able to bully the other children, because my parents bully me and I'm powerless to stop them. So I'm going to take out my powerlessness, by holding power over those who I think are beneath me.

 

You want to raise a bully for a child?

 

 

What you learn from having things you like restricted to you for bad behavior is that bad behavior has consequences.  In the real world, as an adult bad behavior can take away more than your xbox- It can take away your freedom.  In a jail cell.

Parents who teach their children, through lack of discipline,  that everything their child does holds no consequences do a great disservice to their offspring.  They are raising a bully- among other things.
 
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