Topic : 08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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April 3, 2008, 8:04 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Who ever said this child from UKRAINE was a RAD kid anyway? Dr Phil even had trouble believing it and expressed it as such. You might want to play the  disorder activiist part and that is fine but I am am right on with my Asssessment. Some parents use their children and and it doesnt appear you know much about that side of the issue, or even seem to recognize it even happens. You are JUST going to  believe EVERY PARENT that brings up a mental illness diagnosised child and jump on it like a ambulance chaser. Some mothers either by muchousins or some other  self serving mental disorder just make it up, and if you didnt see her talk about only her  interesets than you missed the show. And for her to describe her daughter the way she did without anybody ELSE seeing any of her daughter is asking  too much from any kind of audience to make a welll informed decision on the Ukranian girl.  And to  have to believe only what the mother is saying is asking a audience to judge one side of the story only. I judged the mother to be too shelfish period and havent seen or heard from the daughter so i and  even you dont know if she is RAD  or anything else because you or I didnt see any thing more than a small clip which isnt enough to go on. All anybody got from that part of The show is a one sided story from what I guarantee is a very shelfish lady. Never mind mother or type of mother or type of child she CLAIMS she is raising. It looks more like the child has a DUTY to RAISE her. 

 

Anyway, these unanswered questions is how  is how dr.phil gets these message boards so hot. He leaves one side of story out and leaves that up to his audience to battle over. Like you and me.. This mother is what she is period. I wont even talk about the child other than what she must be going through because of it. And all you talk about is RAD. You got to see the  kid to know that and you havent and if you want to  take the  believe everything you hear route, go ahead., but dont borher me with that approach because it is too shallow for me to bother with. Sorry , but I know A phoney when I see a phoney. And I hope this phoney doesnt take anything away from  REAL (boy and that word just kills some people) Mothers of RAD or otherwise dependant children but if you couldnt see this lady for what """SHE"" REALLY is Then that is on you .

 

On RAD,, just like adhd, autism, and other issues sometimes the parents cant bond like this mother of Ukranian girl. Maybe the mother grew up  with a  cold  parent and is looking for love from the child. It happens ALL THE time. If you read the rest of my messages you might have noticed that .It goes both ways, beliveve it or not, but do parents ever  get  diagnosed as ill. NO.Never. So answer that question as to why not, if you know so much. Lot more to these issues that dont get told to you  that do exist none the less. I am sorry you choose to live in your bubble ,and again, let OTHER people tell you what  illnesses are like.It almost makes me think maybe there are beneficiariers that come out  of these sick children.NEVER  any directed at the children though i have  truly noticed.Politics and money. Some message  for another day.  Some of these cases are literaally  MISDIAGNOSED and we never hear anything about it. Do you have the answer as to why? I do. Good P.R. brings in the money. Never mind if it isnt accurate .And with Liberalism, women get attached not to their children but to the (I am A) victim mentality. Turn activist for their OWN good only. Yup . Welcome to America.Spolied women and rich  medical industries, On the backs off suffering children this time .If it isnt free labor from blacks or cheap labor from illegals    it will be the children that pay the price. It is a called capitolism. Some call it democracy . The result is always the same . A victim and a person who capitolizes on it. ALWAYS. Some things in America Just never change . Hate to venture that far around this issue but it is all RELATED when you do the math.  Some mothers just like to take advantage of children believe it or not and this case looks like one of them. (victim syndrome) (dont know what they call it that in the medical disabled section, but I do know it EXISTS )..Again, not all  mothers who make claims are 100% corrrect. You might want to take another look at this one. All mothers arent victims. And ALL claims arent authentic. Fake ones like this one make the real ones look bad. You should be writing this mother and not me, that is where you anger should go, if it was to go in the right place,But that takes work you would have to do and  playing a victim would only get in the way.    

I agree with you. The disorder you're thinking of is Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. I became rather interested in the psychology behind it, after seeing The Sixth Sense, which has a story in it that involves Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. You see Munchausen's Syndrome, is when someone makes themselves sick for attention from the hospital, or whomever. Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy is when someone makes another person sick, usually a child, for sympathy and attention from people.

 

I don't know what the clinical term would be for victim's syndrome. My guess, based on what it says in a Abnormal Psychology book I own, is it's either Histronic or Narcissistic personality disorder. I'm thinking it's Histronic personality disorder, since it is exhibited by people who belive there's alot of drama in their lives. Also, it's more prevalent amongst women.

 
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April 3, 2008, 8:06 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Like I said before, their still young, and telling on someone for doing something wrong is still ok, its when he gets older i sometime worry for him,
I don't see why it should change when it's older. The teachers tell you to report when you have a problem with a student, but then they contradict themselves. Saying something like just ignore it, they will leave you alone. Some sort of resolve that doesn't involve them actually having to be involved in solving the issue.
 
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April 3, 2008, 8:27 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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If a friend of mine came on national tv and said she was tired of being my friend and was stressed out all the time, I'd be SUPPORTIVE of her and give her all the time in the world away, even if it meant the end of our friendship.  I dont take it personally, that's just how she feels, and I respect that.

 

If my mom went on national tv and said she was stressed out and spent the night at a friend's house.  Fine.  At least she went to get help- and guess what?  She CAME BACK!   Voila!  All she needs is time away, time with friends, time to talk with other adults, maybe time to pursue a degree online and fulfill some of those dreams or even get a part-time job and still be there to pick me up in the afternoon if it makes her feel fulfilled and "alive".  I'd be SUPPORTIVE!  She didn't throw her kids under the bus at all, she's saying she was overwhelmed. At least she's working on being a good mom by taking breaks and working on being an even better mom, how is THAT bad?

I didn't ask you what you would do, I asked how you would feel, most of us  would feel confused, sad, angry, wondering what was wrong, what we did wrong, and embaressed and  betrayed. so if a adult can feel that way why wouldn't a child?
 
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April 3, 2008, 8:53 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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I don't see why it should change when it's older. The teachers tell you to report when you have a problem with a student, but then they contradict themselves. Saying something like just ignore it, they will leave you alone. Some sort of resolve that doesn't involve them actually having to be involved in solving the issue.
Its when kids start wanting to be cool  I worry about. Its not cool to tell a teacher.
 
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April 3, 2008, 9:59 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Connie,

I understand your pain. No matter how much you prepare, you still never know the final outcome. I have 6 kids in all... 2 blological, 2 step and 2 adopted from Ukraine. They all have their problems, but the pain of a child hurting that you can't help with love... well, it tears you apart.  You can't relate unless you've been there. I went into this Eyes Wide Open am well educated and obviously have a variety of experiences with my 6 kids. I love all my kids deeply and would do anything for any one of them. Sometimes though, "there's just not enough chocolate."  I am mom to Alyssa on Tuesday's show and wounld be happy to talk to you. God Bless, Robyn 

Robyn,

New to message board - hope it isn't to late to post on this. Have been trying to figure out how to find you so that hopefully you will get these words of encouragement. Our circumstances have so much in common. I have been where you are and things have turned around completely for our family. My husband and I adopted our youngest daughter from Russia in 2000. She was 4 years old at the time. By the time we reached Moscow she would scream and cry if I tried to have any kind of interaction with her. It got some better when we returned home but she never seemed to bond with me. For years people said she seemed basically fine but I knew there was something very wrong. She was defiant with me a lot of times, would not listen and often would not follow the rules. Lying was a big problem, often it was over things that didn’t make any difference. It was almost impossible to discipline her because she had no currency. You couldn't ground her from things - she didn’t care she would just do something else. We took her to two different psychologists one of which told us she was fine; after all she had a right to be angry. Finally at age 10 she began to cut herself. This was after several years of finding things cut up in her room. Through a local church we found a wonderful psychologist who diagnosed her with reactive attachment disorder. The first meeting turned out to be pretty discouraging and scary for me. Now we finally had a diagnosis but being told there was no “cure” for RAD only behavior modifications was not all that encouraging to me. One thing he suggested was that we lock our bedroom door at night as she could possibly become dangerous (something I had no doubt would someday happen). I took all the knives and scissors in the house and hid them. He told us she didn’t trust us and would need to build that up. We would also need to find a way to disciple that would be effective. One suggestion was to add something appropriate, i.e. a chore, instead of taking something away. That didn’t work either. We finally came upon something that did work really well and that was to ground her from her room. She had to spend time with us! She was also supposed to journal about her feelings since she rarely would discuss them. She ended up having a year of counseling starting out with once a week, to once every two weeks then longer stretches. After one year the psychologist felt he no longer needed to see her on a regular basis, just when we or she felt it was necessary.  To be honest I really don’t understand what happened during counseling to change her so radically but thanks be to God that it did. The past year has been great with her; she is a completely different child. She loves to snuggle on the couch while watching TV, she hugs us and tells us she loves us. She is trustworthy. In fact she is on a week long vacation with her grandparents and cousins. Something I never thought she would be able to do. There were also many times that I desperately needed a week apart from her and now I cried when she left and miss her!  She is on the A/B honor roll in her middle school – something else I never thought would happen since she struggled with language, reading and math. I am so amazed by all she has overcome and the person she has become. Now when she smiles you can tell that she truly is happy. I love her and I’m so proud of her. Though we will always be on the lookout for signs that she needs additional counseling (especially entering the teen years) and being told there is no “cure” I feel otherwise. Hope this has been helpful.

 

 
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April 3, 2008, 11:22 am PDT

What's the difference?

Quote From: getrealtime

I didn't ask you what you would do, I asked how you would feel, most of us  would feel confused, sad, angry, wondering what was wrong, what we did wrong, and embaressed and  betrayed. so if a adult can feel that way why wouldn't a child?

 

What's the difference?  Are you playing the semantics game here?  Why do you need to keep picking away at this?  Are you feeling insecure, or what?

 

Bottom line:  These kids are probably not hurt by this.  Charity is becoming a better parent now, why dwell on the past?

 
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April 3, 2008, 11:52 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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I don't see why it should change when it's older. The teachers tell you to report when you have a problem with a student, but then they contradict themselves. Saying something like just ignore it, they will leave you alone. Some sort of resolve that doesn't involve them actually having to be involved in solving the issue.
Its changes because the kids change, they see more of his differences, and understand less.  but each year his differences get smaller, or he learns to control them better.
 
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April 3, 2008, 12:00 pm PDT

The Children's Center

I DVR'd this show and just watched it late last night, so I'm pretty late pulling the trigger on this, but I have to offer it up.

 

The mother who's 12 year old son has Down's Syndrome and Autism really broke my heart.  I could see the pain of her situation in her face.   

 

I am a documentary producer in Oklahoma City and I just finished a four day shoot at a state of the art rehabilitation hospital here in our metro area.    This hospital, like many others around the nation, carries it's mission to help children in it's heart.   400 staffers for 100 kids who live there.  The average length of stay is 2 and a half years.   They use technology to teach kids who can't speak to communicate and they use every sort of therapist they can get their hands on to help these kids break through their individual walls.

 

I know Dr. Phil hooked you guys up with some stellar resources, but if you need to look at something else, check out The Children's Center in Bethany, Oklahoma. (suburb of OKC)   The happiness of that place taught me that despair accomplishes nothing.  It is a place of help and healing.  

 

Good luck to you, dear woman.   I know I'll think of you often and wonder how you are.

 

 

 
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April 3, 2008, 12:10 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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What's the difference?  Are you playing the semantics game here?  Why do you need to keep picking away at this?  Are you feeling insecure, or what?

 

Bottom line:  These kids are probably not hurt by this.  Charity is becoming a better parent now, why dwell on the past?

Why is it that I'm feeling insecure? Maybe it you who feels that way? because you know if a adult would feel that way, a child would. and its not semantics, one is relating to a feeling the other is not no word playing here.

 

and I like your word probably, when your a parent you don't risk your childs mental health on probably.      If there is a better choice.

 

There you go again talking like you know her,

 
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April 3, 2008, 12:42 pm PDT

She is TIRED!!!!!

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I agree with you. The disorder you're thinking of is Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. I became rather interested in the psychology behind it, after seeing The Sixth Sense, which has a story in it that involves Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. You see Munchausen's Syndrome, is when someone makes themselves sick for attention from the hospital, or whomever. Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy is when someone makes another person sick, usually a child, for sympathy and attention from people.

 

I don't know what the clinical term would be for victim's syndrome. My guess, based on what it says in a Abnormal Psychology book I own, is it's either Histronic or Narcissistic personality disorder. I'm thinking it's Histronic personality disorder, since it is exhibited by people who belive there's alot of drama in their lives. Also, it's more prevalent amongst women.

Yes the mom might seem cold, but she has all the reason to. Live a day in her shoes!!! When the child hits you and bites you!! Then you tell me she she is cold hearted!! Like I have said before these kids can wear you down!!! The mom has Post Traumatic Destress Disorder she is tired!! GIVE HER A BREAK!!!!!!!
 

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