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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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August 19, 2008, 9:36 pm PDT

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I am absolutely astonished how people can cope with kids, particularly ones that have severe problems, are adopted but don't connect with their adoptive parents.

 

I gave up a baby girl for adoption when I was young and I never had any other children. I am glad I made that decision then I could definitely not have coped with problems like that. Whenever I see young children I think: thank God they are someone elses to deal with. Maybe I am selfish but I am not mother material.

 

It is a good thing there are people like me as well. Too many people on this earth as it is.

 

It is great that there are selfless people to  sacrifice their lives to bringing up children.

 

Thanks Dr. Phil for your shows and that you are able and willing to help so many people in trouble.

 

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August 19, 2008, 9:36 pm PDT

I have a question?

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IMO we have a nation of cry babys, if its not as easy as microwave popcorn, they start to cry foul.

Now with the parents with the children with sever disabilitys its a day to day year by year heartache, knowing that this is something you can not change no matter how hard you try, this is not something of your own making from laxed parenting skills. So no parenting 101 class is going to help them, they need more.

I'm a little unsure who this comment is being directed to. Is Lady Tinou considered a cry baby to you or are you supporting her comment her?
 
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August 19, 2008, 9:38 pm PDT

I'm not quite sure...

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To me it all seems to be kinda normal because a child will always be more obedient to one parent than the other and mostly always give one parent a harder time than the other, but because of Alex's disabilities the whole situation is ten times worst on Cyndi. I do believe they need some serious help perhaps at home because I do agree with Ulis and his dedication to his son. A compromise is what I would do. Get the help the family needs but keep Alex at home.

I believe that Ulis IS dedicated to his son.  He is not trained to handle children with these problems, as evident by the fact that Alex is not at a higher level of function.  Maybe that ISN'T possible, but to use the Kennedy Institute for some in house treatment should not be ruled out.  People think of institutions as snake pits.  Some are, but others really do have the ability to bring the child to the highest point of function, then, show the parents how to follow it through.  Isn't it kinder to exhaust EVERY measure available to try to get the best results possible, even if that means some in-house treatment? 

I think Cyndi is on her last nerve, but with Alex's lack of progress, it may be time to turn this over to the Kennedy Institute...does NOT have to be forever.  He did say MEAN...my thinking, if he can do that, and use one word where it makes sense, he CAN do more.  Alex CAN walk upstairs.  A professional would better know how to keep his progress in motion without coming across as "mean".

The more time spent the way things are going, the less chance Alex has of reaching his full potential.

If something really radical is not done, and soon, I am afraid that Alex will be a 200 lb. 20 year old, confined to a facility for life.  There have been remarkable srtides made in both areas...why not try ANYTHING?

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:41 pm PDT

Simmer down!

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I am a nurse who has worked with mentally retarded people all of my adult life. I know this episode is a rerun because I remember seeing it before. However, this time it's REALLY made me angry. Alex's mother is ridiculous. Instead of whining about how hard life is with a MR/DD child, why don't you look into the resources in your area designed to help families of persons with MR/DD INSTEAD of contacting Dr. Phil and making him do it for you??? This is 2008, and there are thousands of organizations in our country whose sole purpose is to assist MR/DD clients in acheiving the best quality of life possible. This mother actually sat on the stage and cried saying it's sooooooo hard to teach "these kids" to communicate and blah blah blah. Yes... it IS difficult. A lot of what I've done with this population has involved teaching. The key is consistancy... just like with a very young child. You have to work with what the person has, not what they lack. I have worked with people much bigger, much more dangerous, and much more low-functioning than this boy. It's not impossible.

 

And lady... how DARE you say that if you knew Alex was going to have Down Syndrome, you wouldn't have had him!!!! That's a horrible thing to say about your own child and Down individuals. Most people who are Down are much more high-functioning than Alex. I know some truly AWESOME Down individuals! How can you predict when a doctor says the fetus will be Down what degree of functioning they will be born with?? A lot of individuals with Down are able to hold jobs in the community and even get married and have their own families.  Alex's mom clearly doesn't deserve him. What a horrible person.

 

And Dr Phil was going on and on about "institutionalizing" this kid. My question to you, DR PHIL, is that if you are seriously a doctor of (what is it?) psychology, why are you unaware that when John F Kennedy was in the White House one of the major things he did was to begin DEINSTITUTIONALIZING people???? People aren't "institutionalized" anymore. Please get with the times, Dr.

I think you overreacted a bit....Dr. Phil's point in suggesting an institution for Alex was for ALEX'S benefit. His parents obviously are not able to give this child the care he needs to progress...should Alex just stagnate because of that?

 

Not every parent of a special needs child is a super hero, you know. Some are just simple not able to handle the situation, financially or emotionally,  and the child should not suffer because of the ineptitude of the parents. 

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:45 pm PDT

It paid off!

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 As mother to a child with multiple disabilities who's 'been there, done that', I can definitely relate to everything Cyndi is going through. And until a person has actually parented a child with disabilities, they shouldn't judge someone who does, no matter how terrible the 'someone' seems.

My son has Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS, an umbrella term for behavioral disorders, including Autism), Refractory Seizure Disorder (a progressive, severe type of Epilepsy), Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and Personality Change due to Seizure Disorder. Over the past 13 years, his overall IQ has dropped 30 points, which his doctors blame on the unknown, underlying cause of his seizure disorder and the unrelenting, uncontrolled seizures and the brain damage they've caused. Needless to say, he's not to blame for any of it, but he does still have to learn to live in the same world as the rest of us, whether it's at home or in an institution. My choice for him is at home, if at all possible.

Between the ages of 3-9, his behavior was horribly unsafe. Typical everyday occurrences included hurting himself and those around him, screaming, crying, inappropriate uncontrollable laughing fits (for instance, when his sister cried because he hit her in the face with a toy truck, or when he was spanked), door-slamming, jumping on moving vehicles in parking lots, climbing on top of our house, sneaking out in the middle of the night while I slept, the list goes on and on. The worst things: stabbing his sister in the arm with a fork at the dinner table, putting our kittens in the microwave, throwing chairs at me, swinging a baseball bat at strangers during his sister's softball practice, hitting his own head on the table or wall when he was mad, etc. I made him sleep in my room at night to keep an eye on him after I'd caught him in the backyard alone, at 3 am (age 5). I had to put a lock on my daughter's door to make her feel safe, and couldn't blame her one bit. She was 3 yrs. older, but she was scared of her little brother, for good reason. One night I found him in her room, just watching her sleep. I never told her about that, just put the lock on her door the next day.

I did have some help: we had a good pediatric psychiatrist and a therapist who both specialized in kids with his type of disabilities. I had home health care to come in and stay with him after school til I got off work. I lost more than one nurse aide who quit because she was scared of him, and admitted it to me. The school finally asked me to pick him up at 9am, because they couldn't handle him longer than 1 hr. per day. There were several emergency admits to the local rehab hospital, which was 50 miles away. It didn't help, except to give me and my daughter a respite for a few days.

Even through all that, when everyone else - family included-wanted me to give up on him and "put him away", I couldn't do it. Insitutions were cold, stark, neglectful and abusive. And I felt like that would mean I was a failure as his mother; I was all he had. Finally, his psychiatrist told me about a rehab hospital for brain-injured children at Austin, TX, and I agreed to try it. It was the absolute hardest thing I'd ever done, to leave my disabled 9-yr. old son alone in a strange place with strangers so far away that I could only visit him every few weeks. I was a divorced mom of two, living on waitress wages and child support in northwestern Arkansas. But I did it, and it was the best possible thing I could've done for my family.

After 4 months of inpatient treatment at the facility, he was discharged home, and I was scared to death that he wasn't ready, and that I wasn't. He emerged a totally different little boy - more like MY little boy that I once knew a very long time ago. He'd learned the difference between safe and unsafe behaviors, and much more than that. Long story short, he is a true, real success story. The horrible behaviors have never returned, he is now 18 and just graduated high school. He still has seizures; he underwent brain surgery one year ago, which helped immensely. He still has to take heavy doses of anti-seizure meds and one behavior med, which mainly helps with his OCD and impulse control.

He is now participating in a sheltered work program for people with disabilities and lives at home, where he wants to live. He's sweet-natured and gentle enough to play with my grandbabies, even. Of course, I remind myself every day that the bad behaviors can return at any time, as is typical of his disorders. But now I know there's something we can do about it.  And I know now that I never 'gave up on him', just because I placed him in a long-term inpatient program. It probably saved his life.
And all my 'critics' - ex-husband, mother, family members, friends, etc., agree with me.

I honestly hope that Cyndi takes the help she's been offered for Alex; both for his and her family's sake. they obviously all need it.

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Scrappymom1

I cannot imagine how hard it was for you...yet, you made a painful choice and the outcome was positive! 

You did the BEST for your child...no throwing him away...you got him proper treatment, and brought him home, better able to face his challanges.  I think you are a very good Mom!

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:54 pm PDT

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I feel exactly the same way as you do on this subject! Exactly!!!!!! I too am a Christian, I am not pro abortion, but I am pro choice. I also do not think that abortion should be used as a means of birth control. That is a very passionate topic for me! But there are certain circumstances where this is very much needed, in my opinion. And every woman should have the right to do what is best for her and her situation. I know that I do not want that right to be taken away from me. I feel this mother made the choice that was right for her and her unborn child and that is her business. It is in fact a very personal decision to make and no one should have a right to make accusations in any way. I do hope that she can deal with the guilt and begin to heal. This had to have been a very difficult choice for her to make.

 

If this law were to ever be banned, that would be criminal!

I agree with your last sentence! I was young when Roe v Wade was passed and I was so glad to see it. Women have always had abortions (and they always will)....the difference used to be that instead of a clean hospital or clinic, they used coat hangers, or went to a back alley butcher, with horrible results.

 

Do we really want to go back to that, people? Better think before you vote in the presidential election in November! 

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:59 pm PDT

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I am absolutely astonished how people can cope with kids, particularly ones that have severe problems, are adopted but don't connect with their adoptive parents.

 

I gave up a baby girl for adoption when I was young and I never had any other children. I am glad I made that decision then I could definitely not have coped with problems like that. Whenever I see young children I think: thank God they are someone elses to deal with. Maybe I am selfish but I am not mother material.

 

It is a good thing there are people like me as well. Too many people on this earth as it is.

 

It is great that there are selfless people to  sacrifice their lives to bringing up children.

 

Thanks Dr. Phil for your shows and that you are able and willing to help so many people in trouble.

 

mitzisweets

Personally, I give you credit for knowing that you aren't mother material!

 

Too many people have baby after baby, expecting different results each time. Duh! The ones who suffer, of course, are the children.

 

I'm sure the child you gave up has had a much better life, thanks to your intelligent decision to give her up.

 
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August 19, 2008, 10:33 pm PDT

Autistic son

I am a 60 year old mother of 4, 3 adopted with special needs.  I commnted on the problems I encounter with my adopted daughter  and I also watned to comment on my experiences with my youngest son, also adopted.  Gideon joined our family as a foster child at 2 months of age.  He had  been remove from his biological parents due to drug use .  He had blen into his brain before of furig bith and required  a craniotoy  the day after he was born , his prognosis was uncertain.  He was to be strictly foster care , not adoptablebut thongs did not work out for his bilogical parents and so it came to be  that a 3 years of age we adopted him.   He also has crebral palsy.  He did amke pregress  and is not as difficult as Cindi.s son but nor has he been easy to raise.  he is amblutory, and tiolets himslef with some monor assistance.  He never liked going to school and we had many unpleasant experinces misunderstanding derived from his unhappiness that he could not express at that time.  Later he was quite able to say what he eanted and when he was not allowed to go home he began to act out physically., hitting staff and upturning furnioture.  He rarely acted out  in this manner at home and I felt torn as what to do for him.  Last year he began to act out at school and at home and thing became very difficult for us.  His sister left  to live with her boyfriend and he missed her I am sure.  We are now usig a different medicine which helps to keep thing somewhat under control but I hate the need to dope him up to live with hem.  I am being encouraged to place him in an institution at 21.  I do not think he would like that any better than school.  He did det out of the house several time and had an accident,  He was hit by a passing car and suffered a broken arm.  he was trying to get to a new motel that had just opened up the hill from us..  He loves motels with their pools, hot tubs, soda machines and water fountains.  He is verbally repetative of his wants which are endless.  I hope

Cindi gets help with her son, they only get bigger and heavier, particularly on the drugs they must take.  I myself, do not know what to do.  I have an autoimmune disease, Sjorgren's Syndrome and have a very low enegy leve.  I am hoping some new medicine my rhuemytologist  is thinking of proscribing me will help.  I use to take him swimming and out to eat, run errand etx. but lately I have not been able to this so the frustration level is high at home  I know he could learn to more things for himself but he is not motivated.  When he as small the physical therapist wanted him to try walking and he would have no part of her and her games, when HE decided to walk ther was no stopping him and the promise of a walk around the building motivated him to outer PT exercises.  I hope Cindi can find what motivates her son. we ger /gideon the the bus by saying he won't have money for a restaurant if he won.t work.  He also loves eating a restaurants, not MacDonalds either, the more expensive kind.The last few months have gone weel but I am not sure what tomorrow sill bring.

 
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August 19, 2008, 10:39 pm PDT

I agree!

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     I loved your response to this tragic situation and want to commend you on advocating for people with special needs.  I to have experienced first hand people saying this person is never going to learn this or that and I say to them I know they can if we just give them the chance.  And of course after spending some time with them they can succeed all they need is the self confidence and the encouragement. Yes, I agree where is the help in this situation in my state as well which is Minnesota we have aids that assist the parents with the daily living skills and the consumer/client has a team which sees to the safety and growth of that person which is made up of a social worker, sometimes financial worker, aids, parents or siblings, and sometimes job coaches if they work in the community or special work enviroment which Minnesota also has aswell.  Yes, our state is very eager to assist people with special needs and even the governor of our state has a special commitee that tries to assist with people who have special needs not including several companies and advocacy groups that support them. 

So, in closing it would be nice to see all of the United States to follow suit of Minnesota as well as other states who already have advocating systems in place.
 Ninaseren is right - the state and local governments need to be much more involved than they are. In Arkansas, we have some, but not enough, resources. As I'd mentioned in my earlier post, my son had to go all the way to Austin, Texas, for inpatient treatment. And our state paid for it, because there was nothing available in Arkansas, other than what we'd tried for years that didn't work. In that respect, we were very lucky - I could never have afforded the $40,000.00 bill.
On the other hand, our school system where we live did absolutely nothing for us at the time we needed it most. My son has been in a self-contained special-education class since 1st grade, and when he misbehaved, the teacher stuck him in the hall, alone, for long periods of time. When there were field trips, because his teacher was afraid he'd have a seizure, she left him behind with the classroom aide. She told me so, herself. Naturally, I was livid. I finally gave up on our town's school system and did the "School Choice" program for the rest of his education. My son attended the neighboring town's schools for the next 9 yrs., which meant my driving him back and forth every day, but it was worth it. At least those teachers weren't afraid he'd have a seizure in class - he had plenty, and they dealt with it, and never once excluded him from any activity. 
In our area, what it boils down to (for parents/guardians of special-needs children) is that it's up to us to do our homework to find resources, whether it's medical, educational, behavioral, respite, etc. And there is just not enough available where we live. I worked in the field of developmental disabilities for 3 years,   written to our politicians (for several years), and done my share of participating/serving on parent councils. I realize we probably have more than some states, and am grateful for that, but we definitely need a lot more.
Thanks for making an excellent point, Ninaseren.
 
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August 19, 2008, 11:33 pm PDT

So true!

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I agree with your last sentence! I was young when Roe v Wade was passed and I was so glad to see it. Women have always had abortions (and they always will)....the difference used to be that instead of a clean hospital or clinic, they used coat hangers, or went to a back alley butcher, with horrible results.

 

Do we really want to go back to that, people? Better think before you vote in the presidential election in November! 

Yes, women need to think long and hard about this before it's time to vote. Since I became disabled 8 years ago I am unable to carry a child and the consequences of what the pain med's that I have to take would do would be criminal. My husband and I have taken steps to insure that I can no longer get pregnant even by accident. There are still other ways for this to happen though (such as rape) and it not only wouldn't be right for me to give birth to a drug addicted baby, if I even managed to carry it to term, but I would not want to give birth to a baby under this type of circumstance. And if Roe vs Wade were to be turned over, it's true, women would still continue to have illegal abortions but they would be forced to put their lives at risk by doing so. I do not want this right taken away from me.
 
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