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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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August 28, 2008, 5:11 am PDT

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I have to admit that I was taken aback by the post you quoted.  So, I re-read it a couple of times and I honestly felt that it was not meant to offend, but to explain a feeling.  We don't know why some people can handle one thing and not another.  I have seen parents who have lost children and they go on with their lives, being able to find joy.  I do not think I could do that.  Hope I'm never tested, because I think I would be useless.  The estrangement from my daughter almost finished me, to a point where some accused me of NOT caring about my other two children.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but does love for one diminsh with the love for others?  Some seemed to feel that way.  I just don't, so I cried my eyes out...anyone not liking it..too bad.  Odd, my younger daughter told me it made her feel my love was deep and sincere...she would have doubted me had I behaved diffferently, because the love I always professed to have couldn't just "go away" unless it wasn't real.  My son felt the same, so if they accept me, what more could I ask?  So who am I not to accept someone's feelings?  Maybe a bit "phoney".

The post was in keeping with the tone of the show...had the topic been the victories of special needs children, I'd say it was callous and inappropriate.  The show was horrible!  I'd rather a person be honest, not adpot a handicapped child from another country than to see how a person who did it, is living a hellish life...now she'd like to send her back.  Wouldn't it have been best had she KNOWN herself, and not gotten involved.  Maybe Alyssa would have been placed with a better equipped family...different personalities can do different things.

Now what we saw with Alex...I don't know if he was ignored from birth, or this is where it's at for him...I like to look for hope, but nobody gave any promises.  His mother said she may not have had him, if she'd known.  I'm really on the fence with abortion.  I'm lucky that I was not put into a position of having to make that choice.  When I read about the days of backstreet abortions, I lean toward pro-choice. 

It's very wrong to say to someone that if I were you, I would have aborted...but I don't think that's what was said.  To me, it sounded more like "I myself would have had an abortion"...not telling anyone they SHOULD have.  There's a big difference. 

Who knows what that poster has had in her personal life?   Different people, different abilies. 

I'd rather see honesty, as I thought more about this, than what I saw on that show. 

If you know yourself well enough to know you can't, why do it to be a hero,  and live every day with resentment...also end up doing a horrible job...you can't you can't.    As long as the decision is not forced onto other people who feel differently, it is a personal choice, and I can't see any offense intended. 

I disargee with Madison50, I think if she knows she can not handle a child with a disability, then she needs to have no children at all, because not all disabilitiys come from birth, and then she spreads her weakness on to her children.

 

Children do not come with guarantees, and you can't return them when times get hard. I think people forget what family is, and it not a ride on the lazy boy, family do for eachother because they love eachother.

I was 25 when my mom became really sick, and I bathed her feed her  took care of her. I didn't have any abilitys that others don't have, I just did because it was right thing to do for my mother the woman that took care of me and loved me showed me this is what family is about. Madison50 is a cop -out we all are can do more then we know we just have to be willing and not selfish about it.

 

Quote from madison50 "it's not in  me" Well if its not in her she should not marry or have children, because life happens and she could be placed there, and if she know she can't give that much of herself then she shouldn't enter into any commitment that she may have to give more then she is willing.

 

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August 28, 2008, 7:39 am PDT

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I disargee with Madison50, I think if she knows she can not handle a child with a disability, then she needs to have no children at all, because not all disabilitiys come from birth, and then she spreads her weakness on to her children.

 

Children do not come with guarantees, and you can't return them when times get hard. I think people forget what family is, and it not a ride on the lazy boy, family do for eachother because they love eachother.

I was 25 when my mom became really sick, and I bathed her feed her  took care of her. I didn't have any abilitys that others don't have, I just did because it was right thing to do for my mother the woman that took care of me and loved me showed me this is what family is about. Madison50 is a cop -out we all are can do more then we know we just have to be willing and not selfish about it.

 

Quote from madison50 "it's not in  me" Well if its not in her she should not marry or have children, because life happens and she could be placed there, and if she know she can't give that much of herself then she shouldn't enter into any commitment that she may have to give more then she is willing.

 

J.

Some people think that when they have physically and mentally "normal" children, life will be The Brady Bunch.  My children are all what would meet a standard term for "NORMAL", yet we got a slam, turning us into very challanged people.  Had I known, or had HE known, that he was incapable...my husband would NOT have had children...not with me anyway. 

It wasn't in him...and he did nothing but feel sorry for himself...truth is, he would have been happier if my kids and I were dead...not that he said it, but you look at Robyn, and Cyndi on the show, there he was.  You'd THINK that from a bigger family, he would have been more able to pull it out, and that my being the only child would have lead me to curl up in a ball...people do take to their beds and don't get up if they crack...but for whatever reason, not superiority...just a different make-up, I found the strength to go into this with full force.  He was good for making sarcastic comments, maybe picking up school supplies...but to handle this...NO!  He would have been the ORECK of sweeping it under the rug.  You DON'T know until you face it...I know now...and I hear a lot of Madison in him, him in her...but SHE is honest...true, I feel that a personality like that is better off not having children...like playing roulette.  I do admire her for telling up straight...her husband won't feel a draft if he thinks someone's got his back, cause he won't expect that.  I felt the Arctic blast, and I expected to have a human shield...so maybe they have it covered, as a couple...but I think the lady was being truthful.

I was watching THE MEMORY KEEPER'S DAUGHTER.  The one twin had Downs Syndrome...the father gave her away...I saw her, and my heart just wanted to take her...love her...O.K. this was a movie, but really, I didn't think I'd ever have extreme emotions for any child other than mine...but WOW!  IMPACT!

So, you really don't know..just have to tip my hat to Madison for telling how she feels.  It really took a lot of courage on her part to put it "out There"

 

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August 28, 2008, 9:43 am PDT

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Some people think that when they have physically and mentally "normal" children, life will be The Brady Bunch.  My children are all what would meet a standard term for "NORMAL", yet we got a slam, turning us into very challanged people.  Had I known, or had HE known, that he was incapable...my husband would NOT have had children...not with me anyway. 

It wasn't in him...and he did nothing but feel sorry for himself...truth is, he would have been happier if my kids and I were dead...not that he said it, but you look at Robyn, and Cyndi on the show, there he was.  You'd THINK that from a bigger family, he would have been more able to pull it out, and that my being the only child would have lead me to curl up in a ball...people do take to their beds and don't get up if they crack...but for whatever reason, not superiority...just a different make-up, I found the strength to go into this with full force.  He was good for making sarcastic comments, maybe picking up school supplies...but to handle this...NO!  He would have been the ORECK of sweeping it under the rug.  You DON'T know until you face it...I know now...and I hear a lot of Madison in him, him in her...but SHE is honest...true, I feel that a personality like that is better off not having children...like playing roulette.  I do admire her for telling up straight...her husband won't feel a draft if he thinks someone's got his back, cause he won't expect that.  I felt the Arctic blast, and I expected to have a human shield...so maybe they have it covered, as a couple...but I think the lady was being truthful.

I was watching THE MEMORY KEEPER'S DAUGHTER.  The one twin had Downs Syndrome...the father gave her away...I saw her, and my heart just wanted to take her...love her...O.K. this was a movie, but really, I didn't think I'd ever have extreme emotions for any child other than mine...but WOW!  IMPACT!

So, you really don't know..just have to tip my hat to Madison for telling how she feels.  It really took a lot of courage on her part to put it "out There"

 

K.

What courage ???  She has children and she feels this way,  courage is not knowing your limitions but pushing past them. We don't give soldiers medals for running away or cheer when someone gives up before the race even starts.

 

I hope her children stay healthy, so they don't have to face their mothers truth, and whats not in her to give to them.

 
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August 28, 2008, 2:03 pm PDT

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What courage ???  She has children and she feels this way,  courage is not knowing your limitions but pushing past them. We don't give soldiers medals for running away or cheer when someone gives up before the race even starts.

 

I hope her children stay healthy, so they don't have to face their mothers truth, and whats not in her to give to them.

I knew when I posted I would be judged.  I also knew in being honest, admitting my weaknesses, there were men who wouldn't want to be involved.  So, is it better to lie and let a person down so you don't lose them, or to tell your true self and give the man a choice, but at least that choice was made in knowing the truth?

My children mean the world to me, and I would be there for them no matter what.  We have bonded, I am their mother.  I am a realist.  Anything can happen to anyone, although you don't wish it, things can get rough.

Why invite a pre-ordained problem into you life, not knowing the other events that could come in the future, if you know yourself, know that having a sevely handicapped child would sap the life out of you, making you totally useless to the other people in the family?

I saw Cyndi and Robyn, as well as their children.  I am better able to face other problems in life than they are today.  If they had that special quality that I admit to lacking, their lives wouldn't be hellish, the thought of giving Alyssa back would not be on the radar, and Alex would have had a third, fouth and fifth opinion about where he should be and how to get him there, and it would have been done long ago.

I hope my children stay healthy because I love them.  What normal mother wishes her child illness?  If it happens, I can face it.  Would I call it a blessing? no I would not.  I hope that Cyndi's daughter remains healthy, mentally and physically.  Her mother neglects her because of Alex.  If that girl gets sick, or has a serious injury, I think Cyndi would break. 

Why go out of your way to break yourself down, knowing what you can't do, so it keeps you from doing what you can? 

I don't want anyone to cheer me on or give me a medal.  I am no hero, not a runner, and I'm not looking to go into battle.  I just want to live my life and be strong enough to meet whatever the future brings.  If I had what Cyndi and Robin have every day, I would be useless, and I admit it.  Sorry if I offended you.  We are different people, with different strengths.

I have heard many people say they feel the same as I do, it's just said in whispers behind closed doors. 

 

 
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August 28, 2008, 4:52 pm PDT

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What courage ???  She has children and she feels this way,  courage is not knowing your limitions but pushing past them. We don't give soldiers medals for running away or cheer when someone gives up before the race even starts.

 

I hope her children stay healthy, so they don't have to face their mothers truth, and whats not in her to give to them.

Maybe not for you, but for some people it DOES take courage to admit your limitations. Especially when they are limitation that will be harshly judged by those who don't understand what it's like to have that kind of limitation.
 
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August 28, 2008, 5:00 pm PDT

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I have to admit that I was taken aback by the post you quoted.  So, I re-read it a couple of times and I honestly felt that it was not meant to offend, but to explain a feeling.  We don't know why some people can handle one thing and not another.  I have seen parents who have lost children and they go on with their lives, being able to find joy.  I do not think I could do that.  Hope I'm never tested, because I think I would be useless.  The estrangement from my daughter almost finished me, to a point where some accused me of NOT caring about my other two children.  Nothing could be further from the truth, but does love for one diminsh with the love for others?  Some seemed to feel that way.  I just don't, so I cried my eyes out...anyone not liking it..too bad.  Odd, my younger daughter told me it made her feel my love was deep and sincere...she would have doubted me had I behaved diffferently, because the love I always professed to have couldn't just "go away" unless it wasn't real.  My son felt the same, so if they accept me, what more could I ask?  So who am I not to accept someone's feelings?  Maybe a bit "phoney".

The post was in keeping with the tone of the show...had the topic been the victories of special needs children, I'd say it was callous and inappropriate.  The show was horrible!  I'd rather a person be honest, not adpot a handicapped child from another country than to see how a person who did it, is living a hellish life...now she'd like to send her back.  Wouldn't it have been best had she KNOWN herself, and not gotten involved.  Maybe Alyssa would have been placed with a better equipped family...different personalities can do different things.

Now what we saw with Alex...I don't know if he was ignored from birth, or this is where it's at for him...I like to look for hope, but nobody gave any promises.  His mother said she may not have had him, if she'd known.  I'm really on the fence with abortion.  I'm lucky that I was not put into a position of having to make that choice.  When I read about the days of backstreet abortions, I lean toward pro-choice. 

It's very wrong to say to someone that if I were you, I would have aborted...but I don't think that's what was said.  To me, it sounded more like "I myself would have had an abortion"...not telling anyone they SHOULD have.  There's a big difference. 

Who knows what that poster has had in her personal life?   Different people, different abilies. 

I'd rather see honesty, as I thought more about this, than what I saw on that show. 

If you know yourself well enough to know you can't, why do it to be a hero,  and live every day with resentment...also end up doing a horrible job...you can't you can't.    As long as the decision is not forced onto other people who feel differently, it is a personal choice, and I can't see any offense intended. 

"...different personalities can do different things."

Exactly Kathleen. We all have different strengths...and motherhood isn't one of those things EVERY woman can do or have strength for, LET ALONE to be mother of a disabled child. Knowing limitations is a really important part of maturity.  I am really glad you understand that.

"It's very wrong to say to someone that if I were you, I would have aborted..."

I don't think that's wrong necessarily. Bluntly honest, yes. It's not as if this board is full of the very best of friends who are  only here to support one another. This board is for honest discussion/debate. The honesty in that kind of statement is powerful.

I don't think anyone has told anyone that they SHOULD have had an abortion. I think your above quote is right. If she were HER she would have....I might have. I don't know. Motherhood itself is harder than I thought...let alone being the mother of a disabled child. I have a lot of respect for women who can do that. It's not an insult to say it either. I COULD NOT DO IT. Those who can have my respect. Just like soldiers. I could NEVER DO THAT. But those that do, have all my respect.

"I'd rather see honesty, as I thought more about this, than what I saw on that show.  If you know yourself well enough to know you can't, why do it to be a hero,  and live every day with resentment...also end up doing a horrible job...you can't you can't."

Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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August 28, 2008, 5:13 pm PDT

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What courage ???  She has children and she feels this way,  courage is not knowing your limitions but pushing past them. We don't give soldiers medals for running away or cheer when someone gives up before the race even starts.

 

I hope her children stay healthy, so they don't have to face their mothers truth, and whats not in her to give to them.

"We don't give soldiers medals for running away or cheer when someone gives up before the race even starts. "

But not everyone is cut out to be a soldier or a runner. Someone who was raised since birth to be a soldier has to have a lot of courage to say, "I don't want to be a soldier."


Women are very much expected to be mothers in our society. In some families, like mine, that is ALL that is expected of women. Being a mother is the end all be all to female existence. Those who are raised in families like that have to have a lot of courage to say, "Hey! This isn't what everyone made it out to be! I am not a natural at this. I don't enjoy it the way others do."

The saddest part of all  of it...? Many women don't know that until they are already mothers and the end up buckling under the pressure.  One day maybe we'll live in a world that doesn't expect every person with uterus to use it. Then we won't have to have shows like this. Those who LOVE motherhood can go for it. Those who don't can do what the DO love.

GRT, I know you think that this is a matter of laziness...but not all women are cut out for motherhood...and the ones in this kind of predicament need support, why? Because their CHILDREN need it. These women aren't being malicious. They are drowning.
 
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Motherhood is a gift

I am a single mother of a 12 year old boy that has been diagnosed by the best child psychiatric diangostic center in my state with ADHD, a mild/moderate form of autism, mood disorder, general anxiety disorder, OCD, intermitten explosive disorder, seperation anxiety(we have several others but these are the big ones) and I could not imagine not helping and supporting him to ensure he has a successful fullfilling adult life. It was my job when I made this wonderful child to do everything in my power despite all of our obsticals, to ensure he has every tool available to him. Do not get me wrong, somedays I want to pull my hair out but it he had been diagnosed with a medical disorder I would never had regretted my decision to be his mother so why regret it now. I hope the mother that would have thought twice about having her child can look at her childs problems as being just as much medical problems as they are emotional/psychiatric.
 
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I knew when I posted I would be judged.  I also knew in being honest, admitting my weaknesses, there were men who wouldn't want to be involved.  So, is it better to lie and let a person down so you don't lose them, or to tell your true self and give the man a choice, but at least that choice was made in knowing the truth?

My children mean the world to me, and I would be there for them no matter what.  We have bonded, I am their mother.  I am a realist.  Anything can happen to anyone, although you don't wish it, things can get rough.

Why invite a pre-ordained problem into you life, not knowing the other events that could come in the future, if you know yourself, know that having a sevely handicapped child would sap the life out of you, making you totally useless to the other people in the family?

I saw Cyndi and Robyn, as well as their children.  I am better able to face other problems in life than they are today.  If they had that special quality that I admit to lacking, their lives wouldn't be hellish, the thought of giving Alyssa back would not be on the radar, and Alex would have had a third, fouth and fifth opinion about where he should be and how to get him there, and it would have been done long ago.

I hope my children stay healthy because I love them.  What normal mother wishes her child illness?  If it happens, I can face it.  Would I call it a blessing? no I would not.  I hope that Cyndi's daughter remains healthy, mentally and physically.  Her mother neglects her because of Alex.  If that girl gets sick, or has a serious injury, I think Cyndi would break. 

Why go out of your way to break yourself down, knowing what you can't do, so it keeps you from doing what you can? 

I don't want anyone to cheer me on or give me a medal.  I am no hero, not a runner, and I'm not looking to go into battle.  I just want to live my life and be strong enough to meet whatever the future brings.  If I had what Cyndi and Robin have every day, I would be useless, and I admit it.  Sorry if I offended you.  We are different people, with different strengths.

I have heard many people say they feel the same as I do, it's just said in whispers behind closed doors. 

 

" Why invite pre-ordained problem into your life"

" sap the life out of you"

"joyless"  The list goes on but I think you can get my drift.  You are speaking of my child and children like my child. So yes I can't clap for you, or say you know what your abilitys are and you are just voicing them. but as you do voice your opinion which you have a right to do, you discribe children with disabilitys as being sub human a reason for a abortion.  hmmmm I don't know why I would be offended by that.

 

There are many great minds now and in our past  that have given us so much who are on the autism spectrum, there are doctors,professors,inventors,artist ect. that if their parents felt the way  you do, 'that its just not in them'" and aborted or lay asided and considered a problem. we would of missed many great minds that the normal mind could never achieve.

 

Its just wasn't what you think you could handle , It was how you discribe our children and the lack of their importentness in this world .

 

Yes I have met many of those people who talk behind the door, and their ingnorance has  caused pain to my child, because they pass it on to their children  of what  they believe he brings to this world when they don't even know.

 

I think of it like this, if there was more mothers who where willing to do more and be more for their children, we would have stronger and better future, Alex is not the problem he can only do what his parent teaches him, its the parents out there that are the problem, the ones that want to say after they have children I can't do this, You can't say that to your child, I know many do, and not just ones with disabilitys, each generation gets weaker, and looks for the reasons why its ok that they are. wonder why we have the weakest children in the world, because we tell their parents its ok to be weak and pat them on the back.

 

I did read where you said that if alex was yours he would of had 2 3 5  different opinions on where he should be and it would of been a long time ago, and Alyssa being returned would not be on the radar, Why if you are like them wouldn't youjust throw your hands up and not deal? Maybe you are not like them, maybe there is more to you then you think. We all have the ability to push our selfs , but some choose not to. or have been told it ok that its to hard and let them off the hook.

 

Nobody wants their child to be disabled, but we should want our children to know if they where or if they become that their mom would be there for them 110% because that is one place that weakness is not allowed, in loving and protecting our children.

 
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FOR YOU TO ADMIT YOU AREN'T "MOMMIE" MATERIAL IS A GOOD THING NO NOT EVERYONE IS MENT TO HAVE CHILDREN BUT YOU DID A GOOD THING BY GIVINGYOU BABY TO SOMEONE WHO WANTED IT. YOU COULD HAVE KEPT THE CHILD AND NEVER LOVED OR CARED FOR IT. THAT SHOWS MATURITY, AND KINDNESS EVEN THOUGH YOU DID NOT WANT TO RAISE THE CHILD YOUR SELF....THANK YOU

You may have meant this post for someone else. I did not place any child for adoption.

Please re-read my post. Thank you

 
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