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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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August 30, 2008, 9:06 am PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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Maybe not for you, but for some people it DOES take courage to admit your limitations. Especially when they are limitation that will be harshly judged by those who don't understand what it's like to have that kind of limitation.

Thank you. Many people wonder why i dont have feelings of resentment towards my biological mom and/or dad who left me at 19 months old. I choose to believe he/she did it because it was best for me and them. I am sure many options went through their mind- they went with one in which i was left at a safe place. Does that mean I was adopted into a loving and caring family? No, I was never adopted- orphanages, foster care and group homes were my future... some good, some not. I do not blame my biological mom and/or dad- i dont believe it was their intention for any harm to come to me.

I am married with 4 children now and i still come in contact with people who think it was unfair and/or selfish that i had children... because i am deaf. I feel sad for those people... not my children.

 
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September 1, 2008, 6:51 am PDT

Andrea Yates

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"We don't give soldiers medals for running away or cheer when someone gives up before the race even starts. "

But not everyone is cut out to be a soldier or a runner. Someone who was raised since birth to be a soldier has to have a lot of courage to say, "I don't want to be a soldier."


Women are very much expected to be mothers in our society. In some families, like mine, that is ALL that is expected of women. Being a mother is the end all be all to female existence. Those who are raised in families like that have to have a lot of courage to say, "Hey! This isn't what everyone made it out to be! I am not a natural at this. I don't enjoy it the way others do."

The saddest part of all  of it...? Many women don't know that until they are already mothers and the end up buckling under the pressure.  One day maybe we'll live in a world that doesn't expect every person with uterus to use it. Then we won't have to have shows like this. Those who LOVE motherhood can go for it. Those who don't can do what the DO love.

GRT, I know you think that this is a matter of laziness...but not all women are cut out for motherhood...and the ones in this kind of predicament need support, why? Because their CHILDREN need it. These women aren't being malicious. They are drowning.

A prime example of being pushed to motherhood beyond your strengths is Andrea Yates.  Was she weak?  Was she lazy?  This woman had 5 children.  She suffered from post partum depression after the first, and instead of getting COMPASSIONATE medical treatment, went on to keep having more children, too close, and each episode of her PPD became worse until  she snapped and drowned all of her children.  She was jailed, sentenced in Texas, but now is in a mental health unit of the penal system, pending further evaluation of her condition.  She is much improved on the correct medications, however, her husband, Russell Yates, is a free man.  Although he SAW his wife falling apart, he left her alone with his children, he was not held to any standars of responsibilty.  Russell Yates wanted children, he wanted them his way and he wanted Andrea to be strong.  Well, she couldn't live up to his levels of what is strong, as a result, because Andrea Yates is all she could be, in trying to be what she was not able to do, the children are dead, she is in a facility and old strong Russelll is remarried, hopefully, to Wonder Woman.

Andrea was a nurse.  SHE could not do what some others can.  I could not. 

The same goes for living like Cyndi and Alex.  I could not do it.  Is it better that I say it, or should I be a "good girl", like Andrea, and maybe end up one day, killing a child?

We are not the same.  Men say this all of the time and get away with it.  I admire women who can raise handicapped children, and who do it right.  For them, it is not a joyless existence.  For me, it would be hell on earth to live the lives with Alex and Alyssa to take care of evry day.  I may snap...so is it better to know who you are, or try to be someone you are not, and maybe end up like Andrea Yates?

I don't think it to be heroic to expect a woman to be a smiley faced uterus, to call any person lazy or weak because of their limits, or for a woman to get into a position to prove she can do what she knows she cannot.

I thank you for writing the response post.  I enjoy motherhood, I know I could not handle more than two children, and they are spaced 5 years apart for a reason, that being, my sanity..notice I said MINE, not to be taken personally by anyone who can happily and competantly raise 4 children 9 months apart.  That to me would also be HELL, minus severe downs syndrome,  I would be in a joyless existence, and for what?  To prove that I can do something I don't even want to do, and know I cannot?

I admit, had my amnio shown severe disability, I would have had a legal procedure to terminate. 

This is not laziness, believe me, I do not sit all day in the spa.  This is me knowing me, my strengths, my limits and my weaknesses.  Too bad Andrea Yates didn't have the strength to say I cannot, after baby number one.  Odd, she tried to be so good for what Russell wanted.  Now he is starting fresh, she is confined, and innocent children are dead.  Can't say she was lazy, but she wasn't honest either. 

 
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September 1, 2008, 7:10 pm PDT

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A prime example of being pushed to motherhood beyond your strengths is Andrea Yates.  Was she weak?  Was she lazy?  This woman had 5 children.  She suffered from post partum depression after the first, and instead of getting COMPASSIONATE medical treatment, went on to keep having more children, too close, and each episode of her PPD became worse until  she snapped and drowned all of her children.  She was jailed, sentenced in Texas, but now is in a mental health unit of the penal system, pending further evaluation of her condition.  She is much improved on the correct medications, however, her husband, Russell Yates, is a free man.  Although he SAW his wife falling apart, he left her alone with his children, he was not held to any standars of responsibilty.  Russell Yates wanted children, he wanted them his way and he wanted Andrea to be strong.  Well, she couldn't live up to his levels of what is strong, as a result, because Andrea Yates is all she could be, in trying to be what she was not able to do, the children are dead, she is in a facility and old strong Russelll is remarried, hopefully, to Wonder Woman.

Andrea was a nurse.  SHE could not do what some others can.  I could not. 

The same goes for living like Cyndi and Alex.  I could not do it.  Is it better that I say it, or should I be a "good girl", like Andrea, and maybe end up one day, killing a child?

We are not the same.  Men say this all of the time and get away with it.  I admire women who can raise handicapped children, and who do it right.  For them, it is not a joyless existence.  For me, it would be hell on earth to live the lives with Alex and Alyssa to take care of evry day.  I may snap...so is it better to know who you are, or try to be someone you are not, and maybe end up like Andrea Yates?

I don't think it to be heroic to expect a woman to be a smiley faced uterus, to call any person lazy or weak because of their limits, or for a woman to get into a position to prove she can do what she knows she cannot.

I thank you for writing the response post.  I enjoy motherhood, I know I could not handle more than two children, and they are spaced 5 years apart for a reason, that being, my sanity..notice I said MINE, not to be taken personally by anyone who can happily and competantly raise 4 children 9 months apart.  That to me would also be HELL, minus severe downs syndrome,  I would be in a joyless existence, and for what?  To prove that I can do something I don't even want to do, and know I cannot?

I admit, had my amnio shown severe disability, I would have had a legal procedure to terminate. 

This is not laziness, believe me, I do not sit all day in the spa.  This is me knowing me, my strengths, my limits and my weaknesses.  Too bad Andrea Yates didn't have the strength to say I cannot, after baby number one.  Odd, she tried to be so good for what Russell wanted.  Now he is starting fresh, she is confined, and innocent children are dead.  Can't say she was lazy, but she wasn't honest either. 

She actually suffered from Postpartum Depression & Psychosis. The only reason I want to clarify is because people like me, who have suffered from PPD are often linked in with those who have suffered from PPP. 

Anyway, other than that. Yes, you make an excellent point. I have pity for Andrea Yates. A lot of pity. She should never have had all those kids.

It's good that you don't seem to be taking posts personally, even though people are taking YOUR posts personally. There is a big difference in saying that NO child with a disability should ever be born and saying that I PERSONALLY couldn't raise that kind of child.

I personally don't know how people have more than one child. I really don't. I can't do it and I will NOT do it.  Yes, many people try to make me feel like less of a woman because I only have one child. What can I do? I know having another child would be unfair to that child because I know myself enough to know that I cannot handle that. It's not me lacking in character...it's just MY personality. I'm entitled to it, just as you are entitled to yours. You and I knowing where our strengths are and aren't IS a strength.  It's not a weakness.  So is our ability to look at the world and see individuals...not assuming every woman is the same and if they aren't...they are less than.

I do enjoy motherhood in my own way. And because of that, I am a pretty cool mom. Unique. But there is more than one way to raise a child. But it takes all the effort I have some days. For me to have another child....who could possibly be disabled for all I know...would be the absolute cruelest thing to do.  Again, it's a matter of KNOWING yourself. I KNOW myself. I wish others would see themselves as lucky, as special, as strong in this sense...instead of looking down on others like they are lazy. Some people don't feel good until they have found someone to stomp on. Others don't feel good unless they have someone to agree with.

Thank you for your post....because you never know if some mom is lurking who doesn't have the strength to even realize that motherhood isn't something a woman HAS to do. And that there is nothing WRONG with them if it's hard...maybe someone will seek help rather than hiding from harsh judgment.  As a woman, as a mother, admitting that motherhood isn't "the best" and isn't "the most rewarding job" on the planet is like putting a target on your back.
 
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September 1, 2008, 7:13 pm PDT

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Personally, I give you credit for knowing that you aren't mother material!

 

Too many people have baby after baby, expecting different results each time. Duh! The ones who suffer, of course, are the children.

 

I'm sure the child you gave up has had a much better life, thanks to your intelligent decision to give her up.

Yes! I couldn't agree with you more. Kudos to those who know they aren't the mothering type. The sad thing is, they are called "selfish" and "lazy"...so are people like me with one child.
 
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September 2, 2008, 10:40 am PDT

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She actually suffered from Postpartum Depression & Psychosis. The only reason I want to clarify is because people like me, who have suffered from PPD are often linked in with those who have suffered from PPP. 

Anyway, other than that. Yes, you make an excellent point. I have pity for Andrea Yates. A lot of pity. She should never have had all those kids.

It's good that you don't seem to be taking posts personally, even though people are taking YOUR posts personally. There is a big difference in saying that NO child with a disability should ever be born and saying that I PERSONALLY couldn't raise that kind of child.

I personally don't know how people have more than one child. I really don't. I can't do it and I will NOT do it.  Yes, many people try to make me feel like less of a woman because I only have one child. What can I do? I know having another child would be unfair to that child because I know myself enough to know that I cannot handle that. It's not me lacking in character...it's just MY personality. I'm entitled to it, just as you are entitled to yours. You and I knowing where our strengths are and aren't IS a strength.  It's not a weakness.  So is our ability to look at the world and see individuals...not assuming every woman is the same and if they aren't...they are less than.

I do enjoy motherhood in my own way. And because of that, I am a pretty cool mom. Unique. But there is more than one way to raise a child. But it takes all the effort I have some days. For me to have another child....who could possibly be disabled for all I know...would be the absolute cruelest thing to do.  Again, it's a matter of KNOWING yourself. I KNOW myself. I wish others would see themselves as lucky, as special, as strong in this sense...instead of looking down on others like they are lazy. Some people don't feel good until they have found someone to stomp on. Others don't feel good unless they have someone to agree with.

Thank you for your post....because you never know if some mom is lurking who doesn't have the strength to even realize that motherhood isn't something a woman HAS to do. And that there is nothing WRONG with them if it's hard...maybe someone will seek help rather than hiding from harsh judgment.  As a woman, as a mother, admitting that motherhood isn't "the best" and isn't "the most rewarding job" on the planet is like putting a target on your back.

The women's rights movement was supposed to free us from these stigmas, but our biggest critics seem to be other women.  I also have nothing for Andrea Yates, and cannot help but wonder had she only had one child, would her post partum depression escaled into physchosis?  It would seem to me that if it happens once, it has a greater chance of happening again.  I was surprized that Brooke Shields took a chance, after having read her book, Down Came The Rain.  She was lucky, but Andrea really pushed the boundaries, and in her frame of mind, I think it was what Russell wanted, so she did whatever he said.  Look at how that went.  Very tragic, and unnecessary.

What is wrong with having one child?  This child will be raised with love, by a mother who  isn't neglecting her because of too many other children that would be too much.  It's quality, not quantity.  For those who want large families, can raise them with love, give the attention needed, and do it with joy, nobody is stopping them or criticizing them.  So why do they have to take differnt personalities as an afront to their choices?

I wanted two.  My first pregnancy was spent bedridden for almost 9 months.  I waited until the first had started school, just in case it were to happen again.  I had no control over how my body handled pregnancy.  The second was not a problem, so go figure.  I still feel that my choices in life have been responsible, and I take no criticism personally.  I'm the one who has to live in my skin, so I'm the one who has to be comfortable.  Same with you stopping at one.  It's your business.

I can see where some feel that my attitude means that I think less of a handicapped child, because I said I could not do it.  I didn't mean that they shouldn't do it, just gave the other side.  After seeing that show, I am convinced for me, my choices would have been right.  Why say you can, knowing you can't and end up harming a handicapped child more.  I think it's cruel to do. 

Knowing I have children, and have no resentment towards them, allows me to make the necessary sacrifices we all make for our kids.  I won't do anything daredevilsh because I my children need me.  I stopped skiing, never would ride a motorcycle, or go bunji jumping.  It doesn't promise me a long life, but I take the steps to control what I can, and the rest, I do what we all do, hope for the best. 

I also would vote for any candidate for public office who had a platform to provide better services to  handicapped children, even it it meant paying higher taxes. 

Instead of judging women who KNOW their limits, and getting insulted, why not ask us to join in a lobby to get more for those who can do this?  I'd join in.  By saying I CANNOT DO THAT, does not mean I won't help those who do. 

I hope anyone who does have feelings of inadequacy about not wanting this full time job, will face their truths, get help to face the ignorance, and be productive in their own way, the best for them as people.

I had hoped that women would support each other in the movement to liberate us from our past oppression.  Being stomped on was why women rose up in arms to begin with.  Those before us were not lazy, they were brave, and I will carry the torch in appreciation for their efforts against that which made us second class citizens.  We all are special and unique, but not lazy or instant baby makers.  I support the women who can, as I support women like you and me who know who we are and where are strengths and desires lie.

 

 
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September 3, 2008, 11:55 am PDT

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The women's rights movement was supposed to free us from these stigmas, but our biggest critics seem to be other women.  I also have nothing for Andrea Yates, and cannot help but wonder had she only had one child, would her post partum depression escaled into physchosis?  It would seem to me that if it happens once, it has a greater chance of happening again.  I was surprized that Brooke Shields took a chance, after having read her book, Down Came The Rain.  She was lucky, but Andrea really pushed the boundaries, and in her frame of mind, I think it was what Russell wanted, so she did whatever he said.  Look at how that went.  Very tragic, and unnecessary.

What is wrong with having one child?  This child will be raised with love, by a mother who  isn't neglecting her because of too many other children that would be too much.  It's quality, not quantity.  For those who want large families, can raise them with love, give the attention needed, and do it with joy, nobody is stopping them or criticizing them.  So why do they have to take differnt personalities as an afront to their choices?

I wanted two.  My first pregnancy was spent bedridden for almost 9 months.  I waited until the first had started school, just in case it were to happen again.  I had no control over how my body handled pregnancy.  The second was not a problem, so go figure.  I still feel that my choices in life have been responsible, and I take no criticism personally.  I'm the one who has to live in my skin, so I'm the one who has to be comfortable.  Same with you stopping at one.  It's your business.

I can see where some feel that my attitude means that I think less of a handicapped child, because I said I could not do it.  I didn't mean that they shouldn't do it, just gave the other side.  After seeing that show, I am convinced for me, my choices would have been right.  Why say you can, knowing you can't and end up harming a handicapped child more.  I think it's cruel to do. 

Knowing I have children, and have no resentment towards them, allows me to make the necessary sacrifices we all make for our kids.  I won't do anything daredevilsh because I my children need me.  I stopped skiing, never would ride a motorcycle, or go bunji jumping.  It doesn't promise me a long life, but I take the steps to control what I can, and the rest, I do what we all do, hope for the best. 

I also would vote for any candidate for public office who had a platform to provide better services to  handicapped children, even it it meant paying higher taxes. 

Instead of judging women who KNOW their limits, and getting insulted, why not ask us to join in a lobby to get more for those who can do this?  I'd join in.  By saying I CANNOT DO THAT, does not mean I won't help those who do. 

I hope anyone who does have feelings of inadequacy about not wanting this full time job, will face their truths, get help to face the ignorance, and be productive in their own way, the best for them as people.

I had hoped that women would support each other in the movement to liberate us from our past oppression.  Being stomped on was why women rose up in arms to begin with.  Those before us were not lazy, they were brave, and I will carry the torch in appreciation for their efforts against that which made us second class citizens.  We all are special and unique, but not lazy or instant baby makers.  I support the women who can, as I support women like you and me who know who we are and where are strengths and desires lie.

 

To have children or not and how many children is a personal choice.  Now what do you say about someone who only wants one baby and ends up pregnant with twins, triplets or more?  What should she do?

 

Sometimes being a mom isn't easy, especially when they are teens.  I can't think of a more stressful and also rewarding job.  Motherhood might not be for everyone and that doesn't make a person less because she doesn't want children.... but if she already has children, she needs to step up to the plate and become a good parent. 

 

You speak of woman's rights and speak of it well.  I think that McCain was really smart on his choice of vice president.  Here you have a woman who balances career with family and while her family is a normal family like so many others, right down to the unexpected pregnancy and special needs child, but she is on the ticket for the second highest job in the USA.  Personally, for my choice, I liked being home with my children when they were small.  I went back to school when my youngest went to school.  I wouldn't have given that up for anything in the world.  I know stay at home moms get criticized by women libbers for being supported by a husband and being home all the time.  It too is a choice and should be respected.  For that matter, women need to start respecting each other more all across the board. 

 
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September 4, 2008, 11:15 am PDT

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To have children or not and how many children is a personal choice.  Now what do you say about someone who only wants one baby and ends up pregnant with twins, triplets or more?  What should she do?

 

Sometimes being a mom isn't easy, especially when they are teens.  I can't think of a more stressful and also rewarding job.  Motherhood might not be for everyone and that doesn't make a person less because she doesn't want children.... but if she already has children, she needs to step up to the plate and become a good parent. 

 

You speak of woman's rights and speak of it well.  I think that McCain was really smart on his choice of vice president.  Here you have a woman who balances career with family and while her family is a normal family like so many others, right down to the unexpected pregnancy and special needs child, but she is on the ticket for the second highest job in the USA.  Personally, for my choice, I liked being home with my children when they were small.  I went back to school when my youngest went to school.  I wouldn't have given that up for anything in the world.  I know stay at home moms get criticized by women libbers for being supported by a husband and being home all the time.  It too is a choice and should be respected.  For that matter, women need to start respecting each other more all across the board. 

How does a person "become a good parent"?

As for the political part of your post. If Obama's daughter was 17 and pregnant you know you'd never hear the end of it from right-wingers...we all know it. All of a sudden there is love and understanding for teen mothers. Please...it's so sickeningly transparent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uGenNjOAI
 
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The women's rights movement was supposed to free us from these stigmas, but our biggest critics seem to be other women.  I also have nothing for Andrea Yates, and cannot help but wonder had she only had one child, would her post partum depression escaled into physchosis?  It would seem to me that if it happens once, it has a greater chance of happening again.  I was surprized that Brooke Shields took a chance, after having read her book, Down Came The Rain.  She was lucky, but Andrea really pushed the boundaries, and in her frame of mind, I think it was what Russell wanted, so she did whatever he said.  Look at how that went.  Very tragic, and unnecessary.

What is wrong with having one child?  This child will be raised with love, by a mother who  isn't neglecting her because of too many other children that would be too much.  It's quality, not quantity.  For those who want large families, can raise them with love, give the attention needed, and do it with joy, nobody is stopping them or criticizing them.  So why do they have to take differnt personalities as an afront to their choices?

I wanted two.  My first pregnancy was spent bedridden for almost 9 months.  I waited until the first had started school, just in case it were to happen again.  I had no control over how my body handled pregnancy.  The second was not a problem, so go figure.  I still feel that my choices in life have been responsible, and I take no criticism personally.  I'm the one who has to live in my skin, so I'm the one who has to be comfortable.  Same with you stopping at one.  It's your business.

I can see where some feel that my attitude means that I think less of a handicapped child, because I said I could not do it.  I didn't mean that they shouldn't do it, just gave the other side.  After seeing that show, I am convinced for me, my choices would have been right.  Why say you can, knowing you can't and end up harming a handicapped child more.  I think it's cruel to do. 

Knowing I have children, and have no resentment towards them, allows me to make the necessary sacrifices we all make for our kids.  I won't do anything daredevilsh because I my children need me.  I stopped skiing, never would ride a motorcycle, or go bunji jumping.  It doesn't promise me a long life, but I take the steps to control what I can, and the rest, I do what we all do, hope for the best. 

I also would vote for any candidate for public office who had a platform to provide better services to  handicapped children, even it it meant paying higher taxes. 

Instead of judging women who KNOW their limits, and getting insulted, why not ask us to join in a lobby to get more for those who can do this?  I'd join in.  By saying I CANNOT DO THAT, does not mean I won't help those who do. 

I hope anyone who does have feelings of inadequacy about not wanting this full time job, will face their truths, get help to face the ignorance, and be productive in their own way, the best for them as people.

I had hoped that women would support each other in the movement to liberate us from our past oppression.  Being stomped on was why women rose up in arms to begin with.  Those before us were not lazy, they were brave, and I will carry the torch in appreciation for their efforts against that which made us second class citizens.  We all are special and unique, but not lazy or instant baby makers.  I support the women who can, as I support women like you and me who know who we are and where are strengths and desires lie.

 

I agree with everything you say here. I had PPD and my daughter was in the NICU for the first 5 weeks of life. I do wonder if that effected our bond in anyway. But the bottom line is, despite the stigma and judgment of others, I got help and get help so I can be the best mom that *I* can be. But for some women, unless you are a super mom, you aren't worthy of having a child.


 
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September 7, 2008, 9:28 pm PDT

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How does a person "become a good parent"?

As for the political part of your post. If Obama's daughter was 17 and pregnant you know you'd never hear the end of it from right-wingers...we all know it. All of a sudden there is love and understanding for teen mothers. Please...it's so sickeningly transparent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uGenNjOAI

To become a good parent you need to put the welfare of the child first, this doesn't mean give in to every want the child has... it means to do what is best for the child... not just yourself.  Most of all it is to love your child no matter what life throws at you.

 

As far as Obama's daughters... they could very well become pregnant at 17, when they turn 17... but chances are if they do, those first grandchildren of Obama's will be pulled from their mother's bodies in abortion since he doesn't see them as actual people until they are born. 

 

I always had love and understanding for teen mothers... my own mother was pregnant at 17 but only difference was, she was married like they did back in the 50's.  My grandmother was 16 or 17 when she had her first child, her mother was also a teen mother.  I was pregnant before I was married even though I was 20 and married the father before my son was born.  My sister had her first child in 79 out of wedlock, my nephew had two girls when he was a teenager and my youngest son was 19 when his daughter was born.  What makes me sick is that we are suppose to have compassion for self centered egotistical jerks who judge others harshly and yet not for a 17 year old who by making a choice that most teenagers do now days, ended up pregnant and her life changed forever but making it work the best she can.

 
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To become a good parent you need to put the welfare of the child first, this doesn't mean give in to every want the child has... it means to do what is best for the child... not just yourself.  Most of all it is to love your child no matter what life throws at you.

 

As far as Obama's daughters... they could very well become pregnant at 17, when they turn 17... but chances are if they do, those first grandchildren of Obama's will be pulled from their mother's bodies in abortion since he doesn't see them as actual people until they are born. 

 

I always had love and understanding for teen mothers... my own mother was pregnant at 17 but only difference was, she was married like they did back in the 50's.  My grandmother was 16 or 17 when she had her first child, her mother was also a teen mother.  I was pregnant before I was married even though I was 20 and married the father before my son was born.  My sister had her first child in 79 out of wedlock, my nephew had two girls when he was a teenager and my youngest son was 19 when his daughter was born.  What makes me sick is that we are suppose to have compassion for self centered egotistical jerks who judge others harshly and yet not for a 17 year old who by making a choice that most teenagers do now days, ended up pregnant and her life changed forever but making it work the best she can.

But, how does one just BECOME that kind of "good parent"...do you REALLY think this is a matter of just being lazy or something?

Good for you for being understanding of teen mothers...however that's not the norm for a great portion of America....until their VP candidate daughter got pregnant...then SUDDENLY there was loads of understanding. Trust me, I see it all around me. LOL...People who USED to say god awful things about teen mothers suddenly have sympathy and understanding. It's ridiculous hypocrisy.

As for your abortion talk, take it to another board where you and others can agree and pat each other on the back. LOL You simply used the abortion thing to avoid the POINT I was making. It's ridiculous.
 
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