Topic : 08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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Created on : Thursday, March 20, 2008, 12:38:55 pm
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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 25, 2008, 10:11 am PDT

I'm praying for you!

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I am a brand new mother. Wanted to have children for years, and while pregnant, was thrilled. But as soon as I got my son home, I don't want him here. There is nothing wrong with him at all, a healthy, even "good" baby!! I just don't want to take care of him 24/7! I feel horrid thinking this. I can't stand being home like this for 12 weeks. I'm an RN and I do know better. But right now I feel like a spoiled kid. I feel so horrid thinking/feeling this way! I don't sleep much, I really can't eat but maybe once a day. I can drink (not alcohol) all day, but any food is not appetizing to me at all. My husband is incredibly supportive and tries with all his might to get me to "bond" with our son. I just don't feel a connection.
I go through the motions of taking care of him because I don't want any harm to come to him. I think often, why did I ever do this, become a mom?
I want my own mother here. She's agreed to be the day care for our son, but can't come for another 2 weeks. I can't stand this being alone all day!! I don't know what to do when except when he cries to change him and then feed him. He's only 3 weeks old. I just cry and cry and cry. And pray. I don't understand why I feel this way!!
You are probably experiencing post-partum depression.  I will pray for you to find joy in your new baby, and to be well and happy yourself!
 
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March 25, 2008, 10:25 am PDT

Walk in her shoes

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Phil, after six years and everybody else seeing a great child and the only person who is raising her seeing a horrible monster, do you really think it's the DAUGHTER'S fault?  This woman is a horrible woman who sees an imperfect child and this girl is SUFFERING for it!  You are always on the side of the child; get on Alyssa's side, for heaven's sake!  She shouldn't be forced to suffer abuse because this "woman" can't handle it!  Stop seeing this evil chick as a victim and start seeing her for what she really is; an abusive toad!

You obviously have never parented a child with reactive attachment disorder!  You shoud research the trauma that RAD's brings into a family!  A Rad's child is very cunning, deceitful, manipulative and destructive!  No - it's not their fault, but the parents of a Rad's child need so much support, and guidance and rest from the outside world, but they rarely get that rest, because the Rad's child might harm, kill or violate in some other way niave care givers, their children, or pets!  Not just anyone can care for them!  It's a "crazy" life!

 
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March 25, 2008, 11:26 am PDT

What a beautiful life

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This is sad.  The pain deepens when we CHOOSE a child through adoption that "has flaws" that we did not see.  When we give birth to this situation, our body's hormones help us to switch gears.  And automatically there is the help out there.  When an adopted child is dxed with issues, they don't have the parents with undying committment.  It can be learned, so don't think all is a lost cause.  We as  adult humans have learned to adapt very well to our changing world.  We have resources to reach out to, to gain knowledge, simply this website and Dr Phil's show is one committment to that.  The children that are brought from other points of the world came into it without ever expecting anything but nothing.  That is why adoptions happen.  I would not want to the the parent of a child I could not care for, nor one who had to give up my child to someone else to care for UNLESS I knew my child was going to be in a better place and still be loved.  My heart aches for the mother who let her child become adopted by someone else.  This is a maternal heart speaking. 

That aside, don't sit and cry in your cheerios.  Time for you to learn to put yourself last, your child and special needs first.  Whether or not your child was born to you or adopted.  Get the pity party done and get busy.  This is a life long committment.  And we are here to help.

My story is a personal one, making a long story short, my special needs brother was 3 years younger than me.  My mom was told in the hospital by a nurse who came in crying.  There is something wrong with your baby.  And they did not know what.  At 9 days old he was sent by car to Rochester Mayo Clinic to find out answers.  A friend who was an RN went with.  The doctors thought it was a lost cause. This was the beginning of the fight of Alan's life.  As back on those days institutionalized babies, children was the normal. NOT in our family.  Alan came back with no dx.  Flacidity, feeding on a brek bottle due to no sucking ability.  Failure to thrive could have been used.  At age 3 months a TV program talked about cerebral palsy.  AHA!  Symptoms that described my brother!  The Sister Kenny Institute in Minneapolis had a pilot clinic in Aberdeen SD.  They got Alan to that.  Remember, this was back when no benefits, no holiday pay, thin paychecks were the norm.  Families got you through.  For the first 13 years of Alan's life, he had the dx of CP.  WOW!  All of us kids did his PT, OT, feeding, changing, all to help our parents.  Grandparents staying for days on end to help (2 bedroom house, 7 family members), all sorts of people coming, calling, helping.  His public school education stopped at 1st grade, he was able to go 12 miles from home to a special needs school.  Eventually the school district developed the best special ed dept in SD.  No more daily driving anywhere!  Alan could read, write, etc anything the rest of us could.  We did not allow him to be as special as he started life out.  He was one of us. 

Age 16. it was time to find a sheltered workshop and school with training.  It broke our hearts to have him hundreds of miles away BUT he loved it.  He lived in foster homes, had foster famlies. Had responsibilites and knew he was loved.  By age 13, Alan was redxed as Prader Willi Syndrome--the eating disease with mild retardation.  The PW and CP are identical in early years.  PW has the increase of weight, eating, etc. A whole new story in itself.  As time went on he lived in many different states and schools.  Finally we got him moved to Willmar MN (10 years ago) with a program that got him is own house, his own job, his own bills, his own housemates, his own friends, church.  Arriving on the "practically normal" front also came other issues, such as puberty in his 30s-40s.  So that got changed too. 

Finally, my brother was as independent as he was going to be. He loved it.  WE loved it.  Networking gets you to these places.  Yes, there were days you wondered where you were going,  NEVER I wish he were not born.  NEVER, NEVER NEVER. 

Having his diet controlled by carb counting in a diabetic diet made so much sense.  It was the first diet that worked.  Last June Alan was feeling cold, crabby, and so we felt maybe he needed more carbs.  His house mom took him to the doctor, did some labs, which led to an CT, which led to a family meeting.  This child, our brother, had cancer!  Not 1 place, but 4 different kinds/places.  He was cared for, saw doctors, had a plan, etc.  This was something we did not see coming, EVER!  How do you take care of this now?  How do you make it worK?  How can you make it go away? 

Alan's words in the doctor's office made the choice difficult, yet we understood.  His voice, the Lord's words,  I do not want anything done, I do not want to be sick, I do not want medicines.  Leave me alone, please.  The doctor felt he understood (here is a person who had guardianship from the day he was born, we did the best 100% of the time) and we needed to follow Alan's request.  Do nothing.  Knowing what we know in our society of fix everything, it was very difficult to accept doing nothing.  But the Lord got us through.

We entered him into hospice immediately to help his house staff with what needs we could.  He also requested NO HOSPITAL, I want to live in my house.  We lived every day with him to the fullest. With many friends, family, pastors, there was always someone filling his day.  His normal schedule continued, if he felt tired, he would adjust it.

His main concern was his birthday in February 2008 he would be 50.  He wanted to be 50 like his 3 sisters.  That meant he got old.  So in August 2007, (49 1/2 yrs old) we had a 50th birthday party for him, he loved it, people came from all over to celebrate it. It was his birthday, our last time before his funeral to celebrate his life.   2 weeks later we had his funeral.  And we celebrated it the way Alan would have wanted his party to have been, balloons, tears, stories, love shared.  7 weeks was such a long time for him, a split second for us.

So please, there is help for those in need.  Don't give up.  Just cause today may be a 'bad' one, the future may be full of rainbows and balloons. 

(In Feb 2008, on his birthday, I made his favorite cinnamon rolls, poured up 2 gobletsof sparkling cider, toasted him with love, and blew out his candles, said I loved him forever and said it was time to go to bed.)

From Alan's loving sister, Joyce

I want to applaud you for being such a good sister to a very special brother.  Your story brought tears to my eyes knowing how it hurt you to celebrate his actual 50th birthday without him physically there.  But I also think your family made a very unselfish choice to allow him to control his own destiny. 

 

All families with healthy children should read about your family's struggle for your brother to lead a fulfilled and productive life.  Then maybe we all could be just a little more appreciative of what life has given us.  I am truly humbled by you and your family's unconditional love for your brother.

 

Thank you so much for sharing and I hope nothing but the best for you and yours.  Karma will indeed reward you.

 
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March 25, 2008, 11:42 am PDT

Its just not that simple

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Here it's very well know that older children adopted from orphanages in the former Soviet territories have a lot of physical and emotional problems.

 

This is no place to go into all the reasons why, but aren't people in the USA aware of this?

 

Don't they know that if they adopt these children it is a wonderful thing, but it is also a difficult lifetime commitment. We are talking about a child. Not a puppy that came be returned to the pet store.

There are certainly adoptive parents who don't do their homework and aren't really prepared.  But even for  those who do, adopting is still a gamble.  I adopted 2 girls from Ukraine and I accept the issues that they have and deal with them.  Sometimes successfully, sometimes not so successfully.  But even for families with biological children  you can find yourself in a situation where the child's presence is harmful to the family as a whole and there are times when a child needs to be removed from the home for the safety and general welfare of everyone involved.

 

My oldest daughter has attachment disorder.  Its very destructive my family and exhausting for me.   I understand my committment to her.  I adopted her knowing that she would have issues, knowing that I wouldn't and couldn't know what those issues would be and with a committment in my heart to do the best I can for her.  I understood that I may love her as if she were born to me knowing, that I may in the end serve as nothing more than a care giver, doing my best to provide her with the tools she'll need to survive as an adult, knowing that there could be issues that I could not handle and that there was a possiblity (however unpalatable) that I would need to end that relationship.  I understood the reality as much as anyone can before they live it.

 

Foreign adoption is not an easy process and I suspect that fewer adoptive parents enter into parenthood with the same lack of education as those who choose to give birth.. yet when adoptive families have issues, as a community we respond with "Didn't you know what you were getting into?".  You don't hear that  in reference to the new mom with a demanding baby, who is so overwelmed she can't take a shower.

 

Those outside of adoption need to recognize that as adoptive parents we are not less entitled to stress, complain or need a break from our kids.  We're not less entitled to feel overwelmed than those who give birth and its just not helpful and rarely relevant to say "Didn't you know these kids have problems?".  We did know.  We opened our hearts, our spirits and our homes and if sometimes we find we've 'bitten off more than we can chew'... we'll you'll just have to give us a break.

 

 

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:12 pm PDT

Alyssa

     She can come live with me.  She's adorable.  My son is deaf and that doesn't matter to me...so what if she picks things up different...she's just a little girl that had a couple bad years in the begining and needs love.  Poor thing. 
I'm not saying all kids don't push your limits sometimes...that's what they do...and as parents you need to set the limits and love them.  I have a 14yo sister who's bipolar...there are days she's less than a joy than others...she's also a teenager:)  You don't give kids back...adopted or not.  Ugh...

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:23 pm PDT

Why is this woman keep smiling???!!!

she looks like she's sitting in for an interview or something!

 

lol

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:29 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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     She can come live with me.  She's adorable.  My son is deaf and that doesn't matter to me...so what if she picks things up different...she's just a little girl that had a couple bad years in the begining and needs love.  Poor thing. 
I'm not saying all kids don't push your limits sometimes...that's what they do...and as parents you need to set the limits and love them.  I have a 14yo sister who's bipolar...there are days she's less than a joy than others...she's also a teenager:)  You don't give kids back...adopted or not.  Ugh...

I absolutely agree with you.

 

I feel like this woman wants a "money back guarantee" and is dissatisfied with the product she purchased and wants to exchange it for another.  How awful to be treated like property.

 

If this was her biological daughter I wonder if she would talk about giving her up.  An adopted child should not have to wonder if they'll be "returned".

 

I'm not saying it's easy to look after this child but you don't get to just decide to give her away because she's not exactly like your other daughter.

 

That woman is abusive...her daughter is being mentally abused and something has to change.  Hopefully this family will get some help dealing with their issues...mainly the mothers issues (not the childs)

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:35 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Quote From: mad4mky

Why do people in the media (Dr Phil, local and national news) always state that the person "Suffers from"--Down syndrome (or other disability)?????

 

This  ruffles my feathers to no end.

As a mother of a daughter who has Down syndrome (she is 21)--I cannot imagine a person LESS 'suffering' than my daughter.  I have honestly not met any person with Down syndrome who seems to be 'suffering'.  And, I have yet to meet a family or person who says their child suffers as a result of Down syndrome.

Yes, they do have a developmental disability.  Do they suffer???  Hmmm....I don't think so.

It think it's time the media (and yes, you too Dr Phil)--threw out this old notion that people with disabilities  are 'suffering',  as if they are in pain or distress.

 

Just my .02.

 

Thanks--Peggy

 

very good point...I actually never thought of that.  I grew up with a Downs Syndrome child in the neighbourhood and he hardly "suffered" .  He was one of our best playmates because he was always fun and inventive and in a good mood. 

 

He was the one who would try to cheer us up when we were upset and he made sure the boys didn't pick on us little girls so we adored him.  I have to say I never saw him "suffer" for one minute.

 

I may have to try to look him up again..thanks for reminding me of this special memory and I will make sure never to use the term "suffers from..." when talking about this subject

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

No mom should ever be tired

I'm sorry, but I can't make excuses for these self absorbed women. You don't adopt just to have a child. You adopt to help a child. Nine times out of ten adoptive children have some type of issue, abuse, learning problems, etc. But just because they have problems does not mean you just send them back. You are supposed to love and cherish a child that has been adopted more and show them as much love as possibly can because adoptive children always feel out of place. Even if they are receiving the best care, it is hard for an adoptive child to trust that you love them for them and not for monetary gain or a playmate for another child. It is hard for them to accept that you won't leave them.I know this because my mother has adopted and raised 12 children besides her biological two. All of my sisters have come from some abusive background, drug, sexual abuse, learning problems, all of them. Never once has my mother thought about sending any of them back, not once. That is selfish. And believe me she could have taken that attitude, she got no help for almost a year when she had six of them at once. She struggled to clothe and feed them. Even had a breakdown because she needed help. But never once did she say ,I can't handle these kids, send them back. Because she loved them, everyone. And because she loved them, they grew up to be strong women and take care of themselves, and they consider her their mother. Always. And they know thir biological parents. But they love and respect the person who was there to nuture and take care of them. And that is the bottom line. You are there for them, they are not there for you. That is what being a parent is about, period. So these women need to stop thinking about themselves and think about their children.
 
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March 25, 2008, 12:44 pm PDT

My heart breaks for you

Cindy,
Your story broke my heart.  I cannot imagine  how you can go on every day.  For what it is worth I think it takes a lot of courage to come forward and share your story.   You have to consider your own health, both emotional and physical.  You also need to consider your daughter.  A friend of mine works in a home for disabled children, the people there are so kind and caring - I wish you the best of luck. 
 

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