Topic : 08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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Created on : Thursday, March 20, 2008, 12:38:55 pm
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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 25, 2008, 12:46 pm PDT

Guilt

What I still haven't seen addressed is what the young mom said was "The guilt" for having these feelings. None of the moms have said or done anything despicable, they are just expressing the thoughts that most people have but never express for fear of public scorn; even when the rest of the public probably has had these thoughts and feelings themselves at some point.

When a parent is raising children with physical or emotional handicaps it is 'more acceptable' for them to vent there pains and frustrations. When parents who have children without disabilities have feelings of being overwhelmed  or need a break then they are viewed in the public eye as bad parents or that they don't love their children. This is ridiculous!!

All the parents on the show OBVIOUSLY love their children or they wouldn't be asking for help. We don't and can't love every second of every day and it is OK to admit it!!

Thanks for showing us it's OK to talk about those 'deep dark thoughts' that creep in at moments of sheer exhaustion and frustration. We need not feel guilty about them anymore. They are normal and OK. Take a break when you need it, take help if it's offered, treasure the good times, and hold on for dear life during the bad.

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:50 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

Like the majority of kids who have been adopted from the orphanages in Ukraine, Russia, China, Romania etc., Alyssa does not only have RAD she has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome as well.  IThe physical dysmorphologies are very obvious as are the behavioural and neurological damage in this child.  How could you miss this?

 

There is no cure for Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and it also makes the RAD essentially impossible to treat.  Children with RAD are often sociopaths.  This is called Conduct Disorder in childhood and becomes Antisocial Personality Disorder in Adulthood.  Charles Manson was born to a hard partying 16 year old girl who was a heavy drinker.  Does that put the seriousness off FASD/RAD into perspective for you?  80% of repeat violent offenders in the federal penitentiary system have histories consistent with FASD.

 

These kids can learn to mimic appropriate behaviors and become very good at acting really sweet around other people if they are getting the attention they want. They also triangulate between the mother and father and provoke conflict with the mother.  They try to become daddy's "partner" sometimes even trying to take over the role of spouse. They can become very sexual toward males as well.  This father better be very careful. It is typical for these kids to behave very differently with daddy and with people outside of the home.  It is also very common for these kids to make false allegations.  You are playing with fire and you are advising these people to place themselves and their marriage in grave danger.

 

No amount of attention can ever fill them up. They want it all and they are never satisfied.  They want everything they see but once they have it they could care less.  Medications can help to control the rages somewhat but they do not cure them and they do not stop them completely.  Alyssa is not going to change for the better.  Her behaviours will get worse as she hits the teenage years.  If you want to know what it is like to live with these kids come on over to faslink.org and join us in our discussion group. 

 

New research coming out of Britain also states that some cases of autism are also caused by maternal drinking during pregnancy, therefore there are cases of autism that are actually a part of Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders.  When are you going to start telling people the truth about these things Dr. Phil?  Do you have shares in the Alcohol Industry or what? You seem to avoid confronting this issue at all costs.

 

I have 3 adopted children with FASD and it is extremely difficult to live with. The youngest one has RAD because we didn't get her out of the foster care system until she was 4.  She has no remorse, she is not embarrassed or ashamed about anything she does, no matter how horrible it is.  She has a sense of entitlement and takes whatever she wants, whenever she wants and no consequences make any difference at all.  She has caused our older two children such emotional and psychogical distress that they became suicidal because she wants to be an only child and she is extremely manipulative and cruel to them.  She is nearly 12 and the older she gets the worse she gets.  Life with our teenagers with FASD is a nightmare and they don't have RAD.

 

You have no idea what you are dealing with here and you had better get yourself educated about it if you are going to continue to do programs about kids with behavioural disorders.  FASD is the leading cause of disabilities.  People with FASD also have a mental illness rate of 90%.  The average age of diagnosis is 8 years old because most kids with FASD do not show any signs until they begin school.  That being said, only a small number ever get diagnosed because nobody dares to ask the birth mother if she drank when she was pregnant.  Do not advise other people to do something you could not and would not do yourself.  This is something you absolutely can not understand until you have lived with it.

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:52 pm PDT

Cyndi, WAKE UP!

I sincerely hope Cyndi reads this message. No one can argue that you have a difficult life, but if you think for one second that only you are leading a difficult life, then it's time for you to wake up. Do you think that he doesn't feel like a prisoner in his own body? Do you think because of his disabilities he does not sense your resentment or hatred for him? Do you notice how he only says the word "mean" to you? This is what he feels in his heart and you may think he knows no better but he does. He has a heart and he feels, whether you know it or not. God gives us what He gives us and the rest is up to us. You are doing nothing to improve your son's life. I have tutored an autistic boy for 5 years. He was diagnosed with severe autism and mental retardation. His behaviors when he was a child make a day with your son look like a day at the park. His mother, who devoted her life to her son, did everytying she could to give her son life. And you know what? They said he would never speak. He is currently attending a regular public junior high school. I can assure you, he is a changed boy. Not because his mother felt sorry for herself everyday but because she worked her fingers to the bone to help him. Cyndi, your husband seems to actually care for your son and love him. He wants Alex to live with him forever, but what you two need to realize is that one day you'll be gone, and Alex will still be here. For God's sake, teach him to live not only for your own benefit but for his own. Make him self-sufficient so he can enjoy life. Forget about you...think about him and let him live. You have the power to do it. The Lovaas program is a good start. Alex would have had a better chance with early intervention, but he still stands a chance now. I know your life is tough and it will always be, but look around you. You're not the only one who has lived through pain and suffering. My sister died of cancer when she was only 2 years old and now it's almost 30 years since she died and my parents are still unable to speak of her without choking on their tears. The pain doesn't go away. And no matter what, they can't bring her back to life. But you, you have the chance to give your son life and just as you say he "chooses" not to walk up the stairs, you are choosing not to give him life. It breaks my heart and I will keep Alex in my prayers and hope that one day in his life, his mother learns to care for him and love him. Loving him, truly loving him, would be the first step to helping him.

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

Very Good Post...

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There are certainly adoptive parents who don't do their homework and aren't really prepared.  But even for  those who do, adopting is still a gamble.  I adopted 2 girls from Ukraine and I accept the issues that they have and deal with them.  Sometimes successfully, sometimes not so successfully.  But even for families with biological children  you can find yourself in a situation where the child's presence is harmful to the family as a whole and there are times when a child needs to be removed from the home for the safety and general welfare of everyone involved.

 

My oldest daughter has attachment disorder.  Its very destructive my family and exhausting for me.   I understand my committment to her.  I adopted her knowing that she would have issues, knowing that I wouldn't and couldn't know what those issues would be and with a committment in my heart to do the best I can for her.  I understood that I may love her as if she were born to me knowing, that I may in the end serve as nothing more than a care giver, doing my best to provide her with the tools she'll need to survive as an adult, knowing that there could be issues that I could not handle and that there was a possiblity (however unpalatable) that I would need to end that relationship.  I understood the reality as much as anyone can before they live it.

 

Foreign adoption is not an easy process and I suspect that fewer adoptive parents enter into parenthood with the same lack of education as those who choose to give birth.. yet when adoptive families have issues, as a community we respond with "Didn't you know what you were getting into?".  You don't hear that  in reference to the new mom with a demanding baby, who is so overwelmed she can't take a shower.

 

Those outside of adoption need to recognize that as adoptive parents we are not less entitled to stress, complain or need a break from our kids.  We're not less entitled to feel overwelmed than those who give birth and its just not helpful and rarely relevant to say "Didn't you know these kids have problems?".  We did know.  We opened our hearts, our spirits and our homes and if sometimes we find we've 'bitten off more than we can chew'... we'll you'll just have to give us a break.

 

 

I think you have given many people a lot to think about!

 

Anyone who takes a child into their home, knowing that there will be challenges and bad days, truly has the Spirit of God in their hearts! It takes a very special person to adopt any child at all....but, one with such difficulties...well...you're a better person than I!

 

It's too easy for us, who are on the outside, to ask that ignorant question: "Didn't you know what you were getting into"...as if everyone should just ignore these desperately- in- need children like they are not worth the trouble because they aren't perfect. Who knows....these children you take in could someday save the world; find a cure for cancer; save the lives of others....you never know the impact you may have on another person, who will then impact the lives of many others.

 

It's something we ALL ought to keep in mind when we interact with others, however we choose to walk through this world! 

 

There has to be a special place in Heaven for people like you!  

 
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March 25, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

Adoptive Mother

I am a 36 year old with a child that we adopted internationally. We were beyond blessed by the fact that our son bonded to us within the first 2 months of arriving. (he was 8 months old). I can't even imagine what that poor mother is going through not being able to have a close relationship with her daughter. That being said, I commend the husband for saying that he is committed to his child. There are no guarantees whether you give birth or you adopt - that child is their own unique individual with their own unique hurdles and quirkes. Our only biological daughter died of a chromosonal defect at birth. It sounds so selfish, but she was so handicapped that we are relieved that God chose to take her rather then have her linger here on earth. Just my thoughts....
 
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March 25, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

So Glad....

I was so glad that Dr. Phil said that he was going to contact Kennedy Kreiger!  I am a teacher of children with autism and I see so many children who have difficulty communicating and use self-injurious behaviors to gain attention in order to communicate the best way -- the ONLY way-- they know how!  It is so true that if this child learns how to communicate his needs and wants, his quality of life, whether it be in his parents home, or in a place with people who are qualified to to teach him new skills, will improve!  My cousin has a child on the autism spectrum, and she is struggling with placing him in a more restrictive school.  I cant even TRY to imagive how difficult her decision is, much less, the decision of these parents!  But honestly, getting help from KKI (and they ARE THE BEST!) to help him communicate will be such a BLESSING!!!  Thank  you, Dr. Phil!
 
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March 25, 2008, 1:03 pm PDT

Motherhood

I feel for these children. Sure sometimes it's tough to be a Mother, but those children didn't choose who their parents would be. Robyn needs to realize that sometime Alyssha may feel out of place, but give it a chance. Sometime Mothers need to take a break, and Fathers need to step in and help in. I'm sure most do, but those that don't need to start

stepping up and giving their wives a break from Motherhood at times. My Mother raised me all alone form the time I was three years old. My Father abandoned us when I was three. I had many Father figure in my life, but my Mother had to be a Father and Mother to me, and she did a great job.  Yes, Motherhood is tough sometimes, but think of the rewards of seeing a child you raised becoming a responsible adult.

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:05 pm PDT

There's a book in this...

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This is sad.  The pain deepens when we CHOOSE a child through adoption that "has flaws" that we did not see.  When we give birth to this situation, our body's hormones help us to switch gears.  And automatically there is the help out there.  When an adopted child is dxed with issues, they don't have the parents with undying committment.  It can be learned, so don't think all is a lost cause.  We as  adult humans have learned to adapt very well to our changing world.  We have resources to reach out to, to gain knowledge, simply this website and Dr Phil's show is one committment to that.  The children that are brought from other points of the world came into it without ever expecting anything but nothing.  That is why adoptions happen.  I would not want to the the parent of a child I could not care for, nor one who had to give up my child to someone else to care for UNLESS I knew my child was going to be in a better place and still be loved.  My heart aches for the mother who let her child become adopted by someone else.  This is a maternal heart speaking. 

That aside, don't sit and cry in your cheerios.  Time for you to learn to put yourself last, your child and special needs first.  Whether or not your child was born to you or adopted.  Get the pity party done and get busy.  This is a life long committment.  And we are here to help.

My story is a personal one, making a long story short, my special needs brother was 3 years younger than me.  My mom was told in the hospital by a nurse who came in crying.  There is something wrong with your baby.  And they did not know what.  At 9 days old he was sent by car to Rochester Mayo Clinic to find out answers.  A friend who was an RN went with.  The doctors thought it was a lost cause. This was the beginning of the fight of Alan's life.  As back on those days institutionalized babies, children was the normal. NOT in our family.  Alan came back with no dx.  Flacidity, feeding on a brek bottle due to no sucking ability.  Failure to thrive could have been used.  At age 3 months a TV program talked about cerebral palsy.  AHA!  Symptoms that described my brother!  The Sister Kenny Institute in Minneapolis had a pilot clinic in Aberdeen SD.  They got Alan to that.  Remember, this was back when no benefits, no holiday pay, thin paychecks were the norm.  Families got you through.  For the first 13 years of Alan's life, he had the dx of CP.  WOW!  All of us kids did his PT, OT, feeding, changing, all to help our parents.  Grandparents staying for days on end to help (2 bedroom house, 7 family members), all sorts of people coming, calling, helping.  His public school education stopped at 1st grade, he was able to go 12 miles from home to a special needs school.  Eventually the school district developed the best special ed dept in SD.  No more daily driving anywhere!  Alan could read, write, etc anything the rest of us could.  We did not allow him to be as special as he started life out.  He was one of us. 

Age 16. it was time to find a sheltered workshop and school with training.  It broke our hearts to have him hundreds of miles away BUT he loved it.  He lived in foster homes, had foster famlies. Had responsibilites and knew he was loved.  By age 13, Alan was redxed as Prader Willi Syndrome--the eating disease with mild retardation.  The PW and CP are identical in early years.  PW has the increase of weight, eating, etc. A whole new story in itself.  As time went on he lived in many different states and schools.  Finally we got him moved to Willmar MN (10 years ago) with a program that got him is own house, his own job, his own bills, his own housemates, his own friends, church.  Arriving on the "practically normal" front also came other issues, such as puberty in his 30s-40s.  So that got changed too. 

Finally, my brother was as independent as he was going to be. He loved it.  WE loved it.  Networking gets you to these places.  Yes, there were days you wondered where you were going,  NEVER I wish he were not born.  NEVER, NEVER NEVER. 

Having his diet controlled by carb counting in a diabetic diet made so much sense.  It was the first diet that worked.  Last June Alan was feeling cold, crabby, and so we felt maybe he needed more carbs.  His house mom took him to the doctor, did some labs, which led to an CT, which led to a family meeting.  This child, our brother, had cancer!  Not 1 place, but 4 different kinds/places.  He was cared for, saw doctors, had a plan, etc.  This was something we did not see coming, EVER!  How do you take care of this now?  How do you make it worK?  How can you make it go away? 

Alan's words in the doctor's office made the choice difficult, yet we understood.  His voice, the Lord's words,  I do not want anything done, I do not want to be sick, I do not want medicines.  Leave me alone, please.  The doctor felt he understood (here is a person who had guardianship from the day he was born, we did the best 100% of the time) and we needed to follow Alan's request.  Do nothing.  Knowing what we know in our society of fix everything, it was very difficult to accept doing nothing.  But the Lord got us through.

We entered him into hospice immediately to help his house staff with what needs we could.  He also requested NO HOSPITAL, I want to live in my house.  We lived every day with him to the fullest. With many friends, family, pastors, there was always someone filling his day.  His normal schedule continued, if he felt tired, he would adjust it.

His main concern was his birthday in February 2008 he would be 50.  He wanted to be 50 like his 3 sisters.  That meant he got old.  So in August 2007, (49 1/2 yrs old) we had a 50th birthday party for him, he loved it, people came from all over to celebrate it. It was his birthday, our last time before his funeral to celebrate his life.   2 weeks later we had his funeral.  And we celebrated it the way Alan would have wanted his party to have been, balloons, tears, stories, love shared.  7 weeks was such a long time for him, a split second for us.

So please, there is help for those in need.  Don't give up.  Just cause today may be a 'bad' one, the future may be full of rainbows and balloons. 

(In Feb 2008, on his birthday, I made his favorite cinnamon rolls, poured up 2 gobletsof sparkling cider, toasted him with love, and blew out his candles, said I loved him forever and said it was time to go to bed.)

From Alan's loving sister, Joyce

Your post was long and I don't usually read posts that long, but your story caught my interest right away and I found myself reading it all.

 

May I suggest that you put your family's story down in book form and try to get it published? I think it would be inspirational for others who need some encouragement.

 

Please give it serious consideration. 

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:06 pm PDT

Postpartum

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I am a brand new mother. Wanted to have children for years, and while pregnant, was thrilled. But as soon as I got my son home, I don't want him here. There is nothing wrong with him at all, a healthy, even "good" baby!! I just don't want to take care of him 24/7! I feel horrid thinking this. I can't stand being home like this for 12 weeks. I'm an RN and I do know better. But right now I feel like a spoiled kid. I feel so horrid thinking/feeling this way! I don't sleep much, I really can't eat but maybe once a day. I can drink (not alcohol) all day, but any food is not appetizing to me at all. My husband is incredibly supportive and tries with all his might to get me to "bond" with our son. I just don't feel a connection.
I go through the motions of taking care of him because I don't want any harm to come to him. I think often, why did I ever do this, become a mom?
I want my own mother here. She's agreed to be the day care for our son, but can't come for another 2 weeks. I can't stand this being alone all day!! I don't know what to do when except when he cries to change him and then feed him. He's only 3 weeks old. I just cry and cry and cry. And pray. I don't understand why I feel this way!!

 

Have you been evaluated for Postpartum Depression?  It does sound like you have many of the symptoms.  I think every new mom needs to follow up with a psychiatrist because of the PPD risk and because it is a major life change.  I don't think you're "selfish" at all, nurses have hormones like everyone else and you have a right to feel the way you do no matter what occupation you have.  However, I just think you need help.  My advice (from one RN to another), seek out a psychiatrist and your OB/GYN (there may be a biological reason youre not eating very well, also).  Please see a doctor to be sure.

 

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March 25, 2008, 1:06 pm PDT

4 healthy kids she should thank god

This last woman I don't totally understand. The first two have more of a handle and reason then this last one ever will. I have a son who is ADHD and Neurologically Impaired--meaning he is about 4 yrs behind everyone his age and he is 19. Believe me I felt overwhelmed at times but I never ever thought about leaving my kids. Believe me Justin was a handle when he was little and growing up he got into plenty of trouble that we had to work through with doctors and special school. My daughter is fine she has no problems and got into trouble also but we took care of it and I think this last one just needs to have a time to go shopping by herself or with friends. My late husband always told me go get out have a night with your friend after taking care of the kids 24/7 he'd say you need some time to yourself and I took it believe me and it helped. Just having a few hours can make you see things in a different light. I also know the overwhelming feeling you get when you don't get that time out because for the last seven years I haven't had that advantage anymore because my husband was killed in a car accident so believe me all those single mothers out there that have been doing it on there own from day one you sincerely have my congratulations on being able to do it because it is difficult doing it on your own.

 

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