Topic : 08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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Created on : Thursday, March 20, 2008, 12:38:55 pm
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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 25, 2008, 1:30 pm PDT

Adopting Children

How sad... A couple went abroad to get a child, found a beautiful child with bright eyes, so she had a couple of physical flaws...  But how dare she turn out to have mental flaws? 

 

Come on... did you really want to be a parent?  No one is guaranteed a perfect child -- not even my Mom (although she got pretty darned close, haha). 

 

I chose not to have children, because I KNOW I am selfish.  I am appauled that no one has looked at this Robyn and said GET A CLUE!  What a selfish, childish person SHE is.  I think that child does need to be away from that woman.  The child has a problem and that Momis making it worse.  If she cannot get some type of psych help to change her approach, she will destroy her family and htat child.  First thing she need to do is have some ownership in this situation.

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:36 pm PDT

aren't all mom's tired

I have never joined a Message Board before, but after watching this mom on Dr. Phil today I needed
to speak.  My son was born without his lower left arm.   We were not expecting it, it was a total suprise.
I for the first few weeks I secretly didn't want him.  I didn't want to live my life with stares and questions
and pity from people.  However, I did bond with my son and prayed to God that I be the mother that he
wanted me to be for this little boy.  A friend told my that my son was going to learn how to react to
people and accept his disablility by watching me.  If I was embaressed he would be embaressed of
himself.  I could never do that to my child.  I put on my big girl panties and dealt with life!  My son is
15 years old and an incredible human being.  I look back and think, what if I had given him up during
those first few weeks?  I would not know this kind, fun, responsible and capable young man.  Would
this mom feel differently to this child if she was her own?  I don't know,  but none of us know what
the future holds when we become parents.  However, you accept what God has given you and do
the best  you can.  This child could bring her more happiness than she could imagine.

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:42 pm PDT

yyou can get help

I can't believe they have not gotten more help for their son.  My grand daughter has down's, and there alot of programs out there for them. God only gives us what we can handle. You are strong parents and your son needs you. He knows how you feel when you think you are at the end of your rope. Don't give up on your son
 
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March 25, 2008, 1:43 pm PDT

Adoption is a choice for parents, not children

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 Not all women are cut out to be Mothers, sad but true reality. Unfortunately, many of them don't find that out until after they have children.
Babies are cute, but they require 24/7 care, and then the different ages and stages can be frustrating, parenthood isn't something you "try on " like a new outfit, the new outfit you can donate to charity or return if you figure out you don't like it.
One of the biggest disservices I've seen done to international adoptees, is seeing the shows that show the happy family with few issues, sadly this isn't the case tha majority of the times.  These children usually come from orphanages where there are many children per worker, they have never been taught to bond with one person, or they come from conditions that have made them unable to feel safe and secure, I'm not saying it dosen't work, it can and does but those are the parents that go into this with an open mind and have researched the reality of how these children have been living, and what issues can come up from this.
As for the disabled, "but for the Grace of God go I", I've never dealt with it.  But for her husband to say its easy, he probably goes to work every day, and I wouldn't be surprised if she is with the child 24/7 and needs a break.  Sometimes we need a break from our so-called "Normal children" , they can be a handful and frustrating, so a child that has Down's Syndrome and Autism cannot be easy, and those parents do need help and compassion, this Mom can't leave her son with the neighbor's teen daughter and go shopping for an hour or two, and maybe the grandparents cannot physically help, or they have no other family around that can give her a break.
Mom coming and going, not good.  If she can't handle it and her husband can, then maybe there should be a role reversal, she be the weekend parent and he be the single parent.  Coming and going like that is not good for the children's state of mind or their feeling of security.
I do wish people would get to know themselves first before having children, the reality is rarly the same as the dream.
 

I work in the adoption community and Robyn's talk of her daughter Alyssa made me physically sick. I completely agree with the statement that not all people were cut out to be parents, yet over time, even the unfit have found ways to raise children -- not to the benefit of the children. I was apalled that Dr. Phil allowed her to continually make comments without remorse that she has considered 'sending her back'. Adoptive parents often take it personally when their adopted child does not bond with them, acting as if this child is punishing them or doing it on purpose. Providing a roof over a child's head and food in their belly does not erase the first four years of Alyssa's life. in addition, if Robyn can go on television and so openly confess that she has considered sending Alyssa back, I imagine her daughter can sense these negative feelings. When someone does not want you around, kids can tell, and why would you love someone who number one is not your 'real' parent, and number two, does not show you you love them.

 

I think it is the easy way out for adoptive parents to want to send their child back if they're less than perfect. What adoptive parents have to keep in mind is that had they had their own birth children, they may have faced similar feelings or similar behaviors, yet in their minds it's different. It is so selfish to commit to a child, and then take it back -- you cannot end your commitment with a biological child, and I cannot believe adoptive parents could even consider this. Parenting is not easy no matter how you look at it.

 

I also feel that Dr. Phil did a poor job of addressing the true issues at hand. He should have had an adoption professional to offer some sound advice. The parents are the true problem and should have had to own up to that.

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:43 pm PDT

Been there....

I can't speak from the parent's point of view, but I can from an adult sibling's.

 

I have a sister that has cerebral palsey.  I remember all of these problems growing up.  My mother was very patient, and my dad was a salesman, so he was gone most of the time.  There were times when my mother was stressed beyond belief.

 

After my Dad passed away, I moved my sister to a group home because my mother was then diagnosed with advanced alzheimer's disease.  Since then, I have seen and learned so much.

 

I do know it was the best thing in the world to do to put her in an environment with other girls, her own age, her own level.  She really blossomed.  Yes, I was concerned about her not telling me when things went wrong, so I made frequent surprise visits.  All of the girls liked me, and if they thought something was wrong, they did not hesistate to talk to me about it.

 

I am willing to talk to any parent or sibling that is dealing with such situations.  Like I said, I have seen and learned a lot in the last ten years.  I do not mind sharing what I know.

 

I wish all of the parents and children the best of luck.

 

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:45 pm PDT

having a child is a blessing

I understand how hard and emotionally draining having a child with disabilities can be. I personally do not have a child with disabilities, however have grown up with a brother who had add, as well as having friends with disabilities and volunteering with families that have children with disabilities. It is hard, however you need to look at how can I make the situation better for my child and myself. If there is high anxiety from the parent, this reflects how the child can act. Just because a child has a disability they should not be abandoned. They deserve every opportunity in the world, there are wonderful programs though our communities, state and clinics, you just need to be proactive and ask for help. none of us are in this alone. If raising children was easy I think we would all have 20! I myself go through high anxiety and only have one child 5 years of age, Morgan is my therapy every day. I have a career that demands a lot of my time, however Morgan is truely a miracle of ours and truely a blessing. Morgan has a disorder in which she cannot eat certain foods and sometimes this can get a little crazy as well. however we get through this! My best to all of the parents in the world. We all will get through this.
 
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March 25, 2008, 1:45 pm PDT

This makes me sick to my stomach

I don't think I have ever been so angry watching this show. This woman that is complaining about her son just infuriates me. He may have down syndrome and autism, but he KNOWS how is mother feels about him, which is why he acts the way he does. He's not stupid, he has feelings and emotions, and to know how his own mother feels about him, why wouldn't he act out that way? He has no way of communicating how he feels or what is wrong with him, and that is frustrating to him. She's not even trying to work with him, all it is, is "Oh poor me. My son is disabled, poor pitiful me." There are alot of woman out there raising disabled children, and I know they do an excellent job. Yes, it does take time and effort, but that's everything about being a mother. It's not a part time position. It is a 24 hour, 7 day a week job. You can't pick and choose what kind of child you have.

 

But good for the dad for being a good parent and standing up to her and not allowing her to put him into a home. No telling what kind of treatment he would get in a place like that. She would be amazed at the difference she would see if she would show that child some love and compassion, instead of acting like he is a big inconvinience to her.

 

As a mother to a 5 month old baby girl, it is unfathomable to me how a mother could say these things about her child. The whole thing just makes me sick.

 
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March 25, 2008, 1:46 pm PDT

It must be awful..

for people who come forward asking for some compassion and there's so many people who just don't get it. Its easy for us to slam these moms but how many of us would volunteer a day to these moms so they can get just a moment's reprieve?  I saw my daughter go through hell trying to cope with a child with emotional/behavioural difficuties. It finally became too overwhelming and she had to put him in a behavioural setting. I really feel for Cyndi and her husband. I have a granddaughter who's two with Down's Syndrome. She is the cutest, happiest, most adorable little girl you could ever imagine!Her Mom does her hair up in cute little pig tails and she grins from ear-to-ear and just lights up my life! Her name is Jenna and I can't tell you how glad I am to have her in my family.When people tell you that they are a delight to know, believe them! I used to think like everyone else  that it was just a bunch of buzz words to put a happy face on it, but was I wrong!!! Anyone who doesn't get to have a child with Down's in their life are not the lucky ones.
 
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March 25, 2008, 1:47 pm PDT

Must not be a mom

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I'm sorry, but I can't make excuses for these self absorbed women. You don't adopt just to have a child. You adopt to help a child. Nine times out of ten adoptive children have some type of issue, abuse, learning problems, etc. But just because they have problems does not mean you just send them back. You are supposed to love and cherish a child that has been adopted more and show them as much love as possibly can because adoptive children always feel out of place. Even if they are receiving the best care, it is hard for an adoptive child to trust that you love them for them and not for monetary gain or a playmate for another child. It is hard for them to accept that you won't leave them.I know this because my mother has adopted and raised 12 children besides her biological two. All of my sisters have come from some abusive background, drug, sexual abuse, learning problems, all of them. Never once has my mother thought about sending any of them back, not once. That is selfish. And believe me she could have taken that attitude, she got no help for almost a year when she had six of them at once. She struggled to clothe and feed them. Even had a breakdown because she needed help. But never once did she say ,I can't handle these kids, send them back. Because she loved them, everyone. And because she loved them, they grew up to be strong women and take care of themselves, and they consider her their mother. Always. And they know thir biological parents. But they love and respect the person who was there to nuture and take care of them. And that is the bottom line. You are there for them, they are not there for you. That is what being a parent is about, period. So these women need to stop thinking about themselves and think about their children.
No mother should ever be tired?? HA! You must not have kids yourself sweetie. And while I have no doubts you had a wonderful mother that loved you, what we are discussing here is the the secret thoughts that moms have. She just never shared these thoughts with you. You said yourself she had a breakdown... doesn't that sound like she was tired at times???  We almost all put on brave faces for the kids... here we can vent an open up when others stand up and say " I feel this way sometimes too! It's OK, your not alone!"
 
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March 25, 2008, 1:48 pm PDT

Addressing the Mom of child with Downsyndrome and autism

WOW, double whammy there.  There are programs that help parents of children with developmental disabilities in most states.  In OKlahoma there is a GREAT system.

 

I give a hug to you because you are trying!  Yes, your emotional response is a part of the routine of the show with you and him.  I do want to say that by asking for help, YOU ARE NOT FAILING.  YOU DID NOT FAIL WHEN YOUR CHILD WAS BORN FLAWED.  You are not failing by asking for help.  These programs work with the kids and help them to get a life where someone non-family does the care for at least part of the day.  This allows Moms and Dads the opportunity to be Mom and Dad to a teenager or young adult instead of the forever infant.  It also gives the child a chance to develop friends and their own interests without constantly pushing the paren'ts buttons.  Looks like he has become pretty good at that which is no different than most kids.

 

I have worked in the field and I know several co-workers that just hate to see those loud parents coming.  I don't.  I know the parents deal with several layers of grief and if there is one thing I would want to say is forgive yourself if you need to, but YOU DID NOTHING WRONG by having a child who has disabilities. 

 

Allow someone else to take care of him, if the program exists in your area.  Allow someone else to be the bad guy.  Allow someone else to take care of your son while you and your daughter go get your hair done.

 

yeah, he will probably do his usual things like scream to the heavens, bang his head or whatever he does,  but you need to tell yourself you have left him in good hands (the people who do this are TRAINED in Oklahoma) and he would probably do that if you were there or someone else was there, then put it behind you and go have a good day.

 

I disagree with Dr. Phil on the institutionalization.  A home or group home situation is usually  best for people like Alex.  OKLAHOMA HAS MOVED AWAY FROM INSTITUTIONALIZATION!!!  It does not work!  People should not be hidden from the world, but allowed and ENCOURAGED to participate to the best extent possible.  There is no rehabbing then release into the general population... that does not work. 

Do some online research of the activities going on in the field of developmental disabilities and specifically autsm.  Oklahoma is just beginning to really focus on autism, so watch what happens.  There are some talented insiteful professionals and para-professionals in our state that are fascinated and driven to assist people to connect and move forward DESPITE their disabilities. 

 

THERE IS HOPE! 

 

I send hugs to all parents, but especially those who are struggling with the guilt, pain, love and frustration of dealing with a child with disabilites, especially those of the developmental nature.  Good luck to you and GOD BLESS>

 

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