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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 25, 2008, 3:51 pm PDT

My daughter

My daughter is autistic and I am not tired of ever being a mother. When she is 45 years old, I will never be tired. Ever. This episode really made me upset. She needs to look at resources. She should have done that a long time ago and not gone on Dr. Phil to get them. I need those resources too. Then every couple that has a disabled kid or in any aspect like that should get resources no matter what. I will not get the resources she got. But you know what? That's okay. I worked hard to get what I could get for my daughter now. And I will never ever stop wanting to be a parent. No matter what she does or who she is. EVER.
 
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March 25, 2008, 3:53 pm PDT

MOM RAN AWAY AND WANTS TO RUN AGAIN...PLEASE

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I am not sure what show you were watching but Dr. Phil did not fail anyone on todays show. He just put it straight to that last mother. Her kids are perfectly healthy and she is complaining about wanting out how on earth would she cope if she had one of the other kids that the two other moms had? Her kids are just being normal and she can't handle the discipline cycle heck if she'd have been with my son she'd have left long by now but being a mother is not guaranteed easy and starting early isn't an excuse either, you have to constantly work at things with your children to be a good mother not just move through the motions. Sorry but I don't see any excuse for her to want to leave her four children other than she wants to take the easy way out. How do you think her kids will feel if one day they find out well mom runaway just because she couldn't handle our simple arguments or noise?

YES....WHAT SHOW DID HE WATCH...MOTHERS (PARENTS) DON'T GET TO DECIDE TO GIVE UP AND LEAVE WHEN THE TOUGH GETS GOING....THE LAST MOTHER DR PHIL INTERVIEWED IS BEING SELFISH AND THE APPLE DOESN'T FALL TO FAR FROM THE TREE.  IF SHE HAD TAKEN THE TIME TO DISCIPLINE HER CHILDREN WITH CONSISTENCY AND DISCIPLINE IN A LOVING WAY, PERHAPS HER CHILDREN WOULD BE RESPONDING IN A MORE RESPECTFUL MANNER.  YES, I HAVE RAISED TWO DAUGHTERS AND NO I AM NOT AN EXPERT BUT I DO KNOW ALL CHILDREN NEED DIRECTION, DISCIPLINE AND CONSISTENCY......ALL CHILDREN.....TURN TO GOD FOR GUIDANCE...IT  IS NEVER TO LATE TO MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO LET YOUR CHILDREN KNOW WHAT THEY USED TO DO WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANY LONGER AND THEN MEAN IT, BY DISCIPLING YOUR CHILDREN SUCH AS TAKING PRIVLEDGES AWAY, TAKING COMPUTERS, VIDEOS AWAY, PS2, WII, XBOX, ETC AWAY.....YOU'RE THE PARENT, THEY'RE THE CHILD...NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND...GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU...SOMETIMES TRUTH ISN'T SERVED WITH WARM COOKIES AND MILK....
 
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March 25, 2008, 3:56 pm PDT

i am so sad!

It broke my heart to see what was shown and said about the little boy named alex. My son is 5 and also has autism and still is non verbal. I do agree that it can be very hard at times but these children need even more love and patience. Just because he cant speak does not mean that he does not feel or hear. I love my son more than anything in the world and could never imagine giving up on him. I also am only 24 years old and have the rest of my life to be there for him . I believe she should have thought about that before she had children! nobody is promised a "perfect" "typical" child. If you make the choice to have a child and not give away for adoption then you should care and love the child no matter the health problems!!!
 
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March 25, 2008, 3:57 pm PDT

Disabled sister. Miracle

My mother had 7 children by the time she was 22. I was a set of three sets of twins my mom had. Then after my sister and I were born. Four days less than a year later, my mom had a fraternal set. Both were born with lack of oxygen. Both suffered brain damage. The doctors forced my mom (1961) to place the female of the fraternal set into a hospital for life. Well, 46 years later, my sister found all of us and she now lives with my mom and now my mom can be the mom to her that she do desperately needed all her life. My mom did not give up and turn her back. She now cares for her and teaches her how to function and not be taken advantage of.  My sister functions at a good level intellectually and no one knows she was institutionalized. She is doing great, and I have a relationship with her.  I never knew what happened to her. I was 2 when she left, so it is a miracle that she was able to find us after 46 years later!
 
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March 25, 2008, 3:58 pm PDT

Trying Not To Be Hypocritical

I am having a tough time with my own shortcomings as far as being the kind of mother I wish to be, but felt so compelled to write about this show.  As I struggle with day to day life with identical 4 year old twin boys and a 6 year old daughter battling cancer, I am the last person to cast judgment upon anyone else.  BUT...as much as I regret having to still give time-outs to my daughter and her little brothers, who are trying to understand why her Dad & I are gone so much with her - I am appalled at the attitude of Robin.

 

Kudos to her husband Joe, for he seems to have the heart of a lion protecting his family.  I also thought Mikayla was nothing short of an angel where her sister is concerned.  It's tough enough to be a teenager, plus accepting a new person into the family - but for her to love & try to connect with her, and love her, well - someone did something very right in raising such a lovely young lady.  As much as I hate to say, I feel it had to have been her father.  I could write about a 10 page letter as far as this issue is concerned as far as the "mother" goes, but will do my best to keep it short, to the point, and as non-judgmental as I can, though it will be tough since I was angered enough to write this letter.

 

I don't even know where to begin so that this letter makes sense , but will try my best.  When this couple went to adopt Alyssa, the way I understood is that they KNEW she had problems already.  They must have felt in their hearts that they had the love & patience to not only become parents to this poor girl, but to try dealing & helping her with these issues.  For that, I applaud them as it must have been a very tough decision in which their hearts were in it for the long haul.  As it is turning out, only Joe seems to be in it for the actual "long haul".

 

When Robin said she resents Alyssa for not being a "positive" part of the family then blames her for the financial difficulties in almost losing the home due to her not being able to "focus" on the financial aspects it takes to maintain bills, etc... Well, give me a break.  As a mother, and I'm purely speaking for myself as I'm not vain enough to try and put all mothers into a bubble, I could blame almost everything except the war on my children when they are being not-so-lovable-at-the-moment too.  But I also know they didn't ask to be born into this world.  It isn't their fault  if they have problems whether they begin at birth or from some other unfortunate situation that may arise, but they still ARE my children!  To blame a child for an adult's shortcomings?  In my opinion - it's simply a pathetic cop-out and an even more pathetic cry for help.  I know, others will attack me on these words - but as I stated, they are only MY feelings that I just had to get out on here to see if by chance others think the same way.

 

Now I'm not claiming that this mother hasn't tried or isn't trying now, but one thing for is certain - if she talks the way she did on the show around her daughter (which I hate to say, but am quite certain she most likely has or does in some sense), how on Earth would she expect this girl to "connect" with her or become close, or even WANT to?  Do I think I could do better?  Maybe yes, maybe no - but I DO know I would NEVER give up!  Whether a child is born to you or blessed to you - THEY ARE YOUR CHILD! 

 

The last thing that really pushed me over the edge was the smug look on the face of this "mother", sorry as I have to use the term lightly due to my overwhelming frustration & anger, was the comment she made to Dr. Phil towards the end when asked if she would just send the child away or back to the country she came to.  (Please know I'm not saying verbatim the exact question posed...but in general, that's what I thought).  Robyn responded - again with a condescending voice & smug look..."She will always have a place to live as long as she is in our home."  Again, not sure if it's verbatim - but that's what I got out of it.  What an awful thing to say, and even a more pitiful thing to feel!  I can't help but empathize with Joe.  What a man, a REAL man - which is a rare animal in cases like this.  His mother should be dang proud of the job she did in raising such a good-hearted and compassionate man.  Again, I can't help but feel so proud and impressed with Mikayla as well for loving her sister like a sister - no matter how much the family has been through.

 

I would have LOVED to have heard more about & from Alyssa herself.  How she could possibly even begin to form a bond with this woman is beyond me.  I know she said she has "tried time & again" to connect with her daughter, Robin came off as a snooty kind of - oh I don't know...Well - gotta just say what's in my heart right now......She came off like some over-the-top, too good for society to know she has a problem child & feels ashamed if anyone thought she was to blame.  There - I said it.  Let the stone throwing begin!

 

Seeing as it was mentioned that Alyssa was improving on following some rules shows me that she comprehends & feels more than Robin maybe wants to admit.  That might ruin her "I've tried over & over" defense she stressed often.  I don't know, maybe I was doing a mom thing at the time as I tend to have to do with 3 children of my own who sometimes make their own rules when mom's not looking, but I never heard what kind of connection or relationship Alyssa has with Joe.  I can only hope she has more of a feeling of being wanted, encouraged & loved by her father than her so-called "mother".  Again, sorry for the anger - it's just tough to hide it.

 

In short - you agree to adopt a problem child that you already KNOW  has issues, get her home & after the novelty wears off of having a new adopted child you rescued from a poor situation in another country, reality sets in.  You actually SEE these issues, try what you consider are the conventional & most reasonable ways to "fix" her and they fail.  Now what?  Give up and just chalk it up to "ME-NOTHING, FATE-ONE"?  Well, sorry honey - life don't work that way.  Or at least it shouldn't.  This child, like my own, didn't ask to be here with us.  We chose THEM!  Being adopted myself, I can't imagine what my life would be like if my adopted parents (or one of them) wanted to just give up on me when life isn't going the way THEY would like it to go.  I simply cannot fathom the fact she wants to "send her back".  How exactly would one go about that?  As the biological mother of my children, that's virtually impossible - though jokingly I've said it a time or two.

 

Before you all judge me, which I'm sure will happen and probably not in a nice way - I'm not saying I'm the do all, end all of all good mothers of the world.  Not by a LONG shot!  I make mistakes daily, I know.  The only thing that separates me from this woman?  I would NEVER give up on my child.  I don't care if they hate me and never WANT to form any bond or connection for whatever reason, be it a mental disorder or problem, or their choice - I would NEVER EVER give up!!  Is it tough for Robin?  No doubt in my mind.  I do think it has to be tougher on Joe.  Not only is he struggling to help his daughter in these sad & trying times, but is also trying to hold it together for the sake of his family & his wife.  He is having to - in a way - take care of TWO people with "issues", one being his partner in life who also agreed to adopt, love & help this child.

 

In a strange way I do sympathize with her.  Yet in another way, which is the judgmental & "what right do I have to judge" way - I just cannot help feeling frustrated & angered.  I don't think this woman is a monster by any means.  But I can't shake the feeling there is still a vain-likeness to her.  Call me what you will, it's what I feel and what I feel I saw in her.  Put my life under a microscope...I'm sure millions would gasp at some of my mistakes & parenting shortcomings.  But no matter what...my child is my child is my child.  Period.

 

I wish them all luck, and thank goodness they have someone like YOU, Dr. Phil, to turn to for help.  That is both brave and admirable.  There should be MORE Dr. Phil's in the world!

 

Thank you for letting me vent.  Hopefully I didn't offend TOO may of you.

 

Signed,

A very caring mom & compassionate woman for ALL parents & children

Trena

 

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March 25, 2008, 4:01 pm PDT

RAD kids

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 I could not belive these women!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand thier issue's, but REALLY!!!!!!! they knew what they were doing and that there would be problems. They all had choices.  I am a woman who was never given the option to have children. But I can tell you.... I would be grateful to any of these children.  These Mother's need to take a step back and see  what they have been given. One day they will meet someone like me (never been blessed w/child)  and they will see how truley blessed they are!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr.Phil---send me those babies, I'll give them ALL the love they deserve!

I am convinced that all children no matter the age just need understanding and guidance.

 

 

The more you try love & guidance on a RAD child, the bigger the fight becomes. These kids are programmed to be survivors by keeping everyone at arm's length away. They easily fake love but don't feel it. Don't be fooled & think because these kids are intelligent means you can reach them without specialized help, and most counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and even psychiatric hospitals are not equipped for these kids. RAD specialists are out there but sometimes have to turn some families away that they don't think will be able to see this through to the end. Find out about RAD and then see what you think about a parent who's trying to deal with it.
 
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March 25, 2008, 4:03 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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My daughter is autistic and I am not tired of ever being a mother. When she is 45 years old, I will never be tired. Ever. This episode really made me upset. She needs to look at resources. She should have done that a long time ago and not gone on Dr. Phil to get them. I need those resources too. Then every couple that has a disabled kid or in any aspect like that should get resources no matter what. I will not get the resources she got. But you know what? That's okay. I worked hard to get what I could get for my daughter now. And I will never ever stop wanting to be a parent. No matter what she does or who she is. EVER.
My mom said the same thing when she watched this. She was repulsed by these women. I'm glad there is another mother out their who is acutally devoted to their child....obviously this has become a message board to sympathize with these pathetic excuses for human beings. Moments of weakness,...fine but giving up your children because you don't get anough "Me time,"...disgusting and selfish.
 
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March 25, 2008, 4:06 pm PDT

Good Parenting

If these moms didn't have children as teen, as we see so often in society now. I think that we will see more of this. If these moms want to see great parenting, watch the shows on TV "The Duggar's. or Jon & Kate plus 8." These families have it together, and accept what they have in life. May not be perfect every day, but they do not let their guilt of having honest emotions get in the way of parenting. Kids grow so fast, it will be over before she knows it. Its attitude change.

 
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March 25, 2008, 4:07 pm PDT

excellent post!!!

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...and that's a lack of real assistance for these exhausted moms.

 

My son is 13 and autistic. He also has a brain malformation that contributes to his issues, but so far, we have not found a neurosurgeon who knows enough about it to take that seriously, so even though he has symptoms of problems because of his Chiari, nothing has been done about it yet. He's received excellent Home-Based Therapy Services for 10 years, and that is the ONLY reason he and I are still alive. I have a life-threatening neurological condition myself, and balancing my own health needs with his (and his sister's) nearly killed me until he started to improve substantially. My epilepsy was suddenly out of control from the time he was a year old until we finally got him dx'ed and making progress in his therapy. It wasn't until he improved that I improved, and it's because I was able to get top-notch services and my husband finally stopped hiding at work and helping me. HELP THESE MOMS, and their relationships with their kids will improve. They aren't wimps. They aren't self-absorbed. THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN A BREATH IN YEARS. Let's drop the snide judgment and recognize that these women are more than burned out. Parenting is a TWO-parent job. If the fathers aren't willing to actively step in, the moms will crash and burn. Then who'll take care of the kids??!!

 

LIZARD, who's been there...

Excellent post!!!! Perhaps it is only us Moms of special needs kids that realize the exhaustion that one in this situation feels.   And excellent point that it is a two parent job.  I have a special needs daughter  who fortunately has made alot of progress over the years, but I never forgot the exhaustion of the earlier days.  My husband worked long hours and extended family help was rarely  forthcoming, so nearly the whole burden orf care fell upon me.     Many days felt like an eternity and I knew the next day would bring more of the same.  There didn't seem to be alot to look forward to.

I ended up going back to school for a special education degree.  I gained alot of  knowledge  which helped me at home too, not to mention that it also gave me a new carreer.  My daughter's school had a parent group.  It was helpful to have others to talk to who could understand. (I  had felt isolated prior to that).  It was a long road but things gradually improved.

I am glad to hear of your success story. Only one who has been there can trulu understand.  To the others who haven't please stop your criticisms.  How bout putting that energy into something positive instead.  Offer help to a Mom of a special needs child.  they can certainly use it and you will gain knowledge and maybe show more empathy towards these people.

 
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March 25, 2008, 4:11 pm PDT

Mom of child with Down Syndrome

I too have a child with Down Syndrome.  After seeing today's show my heart goes out to the family with the little boy with Downs and Autism.  Alone both are very difficult to deal with, together I cannot image.  I want to encourage tgis family to surround themselves with other families who are dealing with the same challenges.  As a mother of a 10 year old with Down Syndrome,  I can say I have been blessed with some incredibly strong, informed, humorous friends who are never hesitant to offer help or advice.  All of these people have family members with a "disability".  I also want to encourage you to look very deeply for the authentic person hidden by the autism or downs.  Don't give up, he knows you love him and so does your daughter.  Be sure to love yourself too.  It takes an incredibly strong person and family to raise a child with this level of need and you have made it this far.  I willl pray for you and your son.  My heart is with you.  Find the help and use it.  All 4 of you will benefit.

 

 

Also if you are seeing this Dr. Phil,  I encourage you to speak of children as people first.  They are children with Down Syndrome or Autism,  the person in there is much more than the disability

 
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