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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 26, 2008, 4:16 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Can you not look at it from the point that though we are judging these mothers it is because we are outraged by their actions towards children who can not speak for themselves? Unfortunately we don't get to choose our parents, but I hope that one day my daughter looks at her life and thinks wow, if I got to choose my parents I would choose the ones that I have...I don't think that these kids would say that...and you get my point. If I was behaving this way towards my child I sure hope that someone would put me in check, give me a reality check! You ask if it makes us feel better to call them names and put them down, my question to you is does it make you feel better to write this self righteous opinion standing up for these mothers, putting those of us who choose to stand up for the children instead of feeling bad for the mothers?

Lolosmama, I couldn't have said it better myself. I said in another post, parents are calling people like us insensitive, because we're not being sensitive to their desires. About the person who asked if people like us feel better calling parents names. We don't do it cause it makes us feel better.

 

If we were like these parents, and only cared about ourselves. We'd not be here posting on behalf of the children. Do you think we enjoy hearing "Your not a parent so I don't have to listen to you! Nani nani boo boo!" type of comments? When you encourage parents to feel they're valid in thinking of only themselves first, then you're dooming their kids to a life of neglect. If you're not into being a parent 100%, then you shouldn't be a parent. I mean, seriously Lolosmama, I think I care more about my cats than some of these people care about their children.

 
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March 26, 2008, 4:27 pm PDT

I understand

To Cyndi (mom on show with son who has Autism & Downs) - Please email me,   Your words said what I am also feeling.  I have a 21 yr old son who has Autism & is non-verbal & am going thru a terrible time right now with aggression.  He will calmly walk up to me & yank me by the hair like a rag doll.  He's on spring break right now & I just want to get to Monday.  You are lucky to get hooked up with the Kennedy Krieger Inst.  I'm sure they can help you.  Please contact me... I think we could be good supports for each other.  I will say a prayer for you and your family that life gets easier.
 
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March 26, 2008, 4:43 pm PDT

our kids could be twins !!!

 Cyndi......your son and mine could be twins !!!!  they even look alike.....i would love to talk to u...u are the only person ive ever heard of that has my kid and my life !!  i do have some helpfull hints 4 you too.. is there a way u could contact me ?  bradens mom...aka  wendy
 
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March 26, 2008, 5:31 pm PDT

Honestly?

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Lolosmama, I couldn't have said it better myself. I said in another post, parents are calling people like us insensitive, because we're not being sensitive to their desires. About the person who asked if people like us feel better calling parents names. We don't do it cause it makes us feel better.

 

If we were like these parents, and only cared about ourselves. We'd not be here posting on behalf of the children. Do you think we enjoy hearing "Your not a parent so I don't have to listen to you! Nani nani boo boo!" type of comments? When you encourage parents to feel they're valid in thinking of only themselves first, then you're dooming their kids to a life of neglect. If you're not into being a parent 100%, then you shouldn't be a parent. I mean, seriously Lolosmama, I think I care more about my cats than some of these people care about their children.

 

If you are posting on behalf of the children, then you would be sympathetic to the moms.  Parents have to think about their own feelings and keep them in check in order to be good parents.  If their feelings are depression and resentment, then they need help, or they won't BE ABLE to take care of their kids.  Parents are also people, complex, multidimensional people who get overwhelmed.  You're not a parent 100% of the time, parents have jobs,  parents have hobbies, give back to the community, etc., it's one of many aspects of who you are.

 

I don't get why people would be saying that if you take advantage of resources, then you're a horrible/weak parent, BS, BS, BS.   You work smart, not hard (or not just hard, anyway).  If I can get similar if not better results using resources and not driving myself crazy than I can working myself to death, I'm going to do the former and be more efficient.  If people don't think they need, that, it's their business. 

 

If you really are on here posting on behalf of the children, then make suggestions that would help them instead of telling them that their kids should be taken away, etc that makes it far worse.  Are we supposed to reiterate that they're "weak and stupid"? Does that magically turn them into mothers of the year?  If I were Cyndi, I'd say "Kiss my fat a@@" to all the negative people.  What reason does she have to listen to all the negative criticism when 9 times out of 10, it's unconstructive crap to begin with? 

 

 

 
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March 26, 2008, 5:44 pm PDT

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This is sad.  The pain deepens when we CHOOSE a child through adoption that "has flaws" that we did not see.  When we give birth to this situation, our body's hormones help us to switch gears.  And automatically there is the help out there.  When an adopted child is dxed with issues, they don't have the parents with undying committment.  It can be learned, so don't think all is a lost cause.  We as  adult humans have learned to adapt very well to our changing world.  We have resources to reach out to, to gain knowledge, simply this website and Dr Phil's show is one committment to that.  The children that are brought from other points of the world came into it without ever expecting anything but nothing.  That is why adoptions happen.  I would not want to the the parent of a child I could not care for, nor one who had to give up my child to someone else to care for UNLESS I knew my child was going to be in a better place and still be loved.  My heart aches for the mother who let her child become adopted by someone else.  This is a maternal heart speaking. 

That aside, don't sit and cry in your cheerios.  Time for you to learn to put yourself last, your child and special needs first.  Whether or not your child was born to you or adopted.  Get the pity party done and get busy.  This is a life long committment.  And we are here to help.

My story is a personal one, making a long story short, my special needs brother was 3 years younger than me.  My mom was told in the hospital by a nurse who came in crying.  There is something wrong with your baby.  And they did not know what.  At 9 days old he was sent by car to Rochester Mayo Clinic to find out answers.  A friend who was an RN went with.  The doctors thought it was a lost cause. This was the beginning of the fight of Alan's life.  As back on those days institutionalized babies, children was the normal. NOT in our family.  Alan came back with no dx.  Flacidity, feeding on a brek bottle due to no sucking ability.  Failure to thrive could have been used.  At age 3 months a TV program talked about cerebral palsy.  AHA!  Symptoms that described my brother!  The Sister Kenny Institute in Minneapolis had a pilot clinic in Aberdeen SD.  They got Alan to that.  Remember, this was back when no benefits, no holiday pay, thin paychecks were the norm.  Families got you through.  For the first 13 years of Alan's life, he had the dx of CP.  WOW!  All of us kids did his PT, OT, feeding, changing, all to help our parents.  Grandparents staying for days on end to help (2 bedroom house, 7 family members), all sorts of people coming, calling, helping.  His public school education stopped at 1st grade, he was able to go 12 miles from home to a special needs school.  Eventually the school district developed the best special ed dept in SD.  No more daily driving anywhere!  Alan could read, write, etc anything the rest of us could.  We did not allow him to be as special as he started life out.  He was one of us. 

Age 16. it was time to find a sheltered workshop and school with training.  It broke our hearts to have him hundreds of miles away BUT he loved it.  He lived in foster homes, had foster famlies. Had responsibilites and knew he was loved.  By age 13, Alan was redxed as Prader Willi Syndrome--the eating disease with mild retardation.  The PW and CP are identical in early years.  PW has the increase of weight, eating, etc. A whole new story in itself.  As time went on he lived in many different states and schools.  Finally we got him moved to Willmar MN (10 years ago) with a program that got him is own house, his own job, his own bills, his own housemates, his own friends, church.  Arriving on the "practically normal" front also came other issues, such as puberty in his 30s-40s.  So that got changed too. 

Finally, my brother was as independent as he was going to be. He loved it.  WE loved it.  Networking gets you to these places.  Yes, there were days you wondered where you were going,  NEVER I wish he were not born.  NEVER, NEVER NEVER. 

Having his diet controlled by carb counting in a diabetic diet made so much sense.  It was the first diet that worked.  Last June Alan was feeling cold, crabby, and so we felt maybe he needed more carbs.  His house mom took him to the doctor, did some labs, which led to an CT, which led to a family meeting.  This child, our brother, had cancer!  Not 1 place, but 4 different kinds/places.  He was cared for, saw doctors, had a plan, etc.  This was something we did not see coming, EVER!  How do you take care of this now?  How do you make it worK?  How can you make it go away? 

Alan's words in the doctor's office made the choice difficult, yet we understood.  His voice, the Lord's words,  I do not want anything done, I do not want to be sick, I do not want medicines.  Leave me alone, please.  The doctor felt he understood (here is a person who had guardianship from the day he was born, we did the best 100% of the time) and we needed to follow Alan's request.  Do nothing.  Knowing what we know in our society of fix everything, it was very difficult to accept doing nothing.  But the Lord got us through.

We entered him into hospice immediately to help his house staff with what needs we could.  He also requested NO HOSPITAL, I want to live in my house.  We lived every day with him to the fullest. With many friends, family, pastors, there was always someone filling his day.  His normal schedule continued, if he felt tired, he would adjust it.

His main concern was his birthday in February 2008 he would be 50.  He wanted to be 50 like his 3 sisters.  That meant he got old.  So in August 2007, (49 1/2 yrs old) we had a 50th birthday party for him, he loved it, people came from all over to celebrate it. It was his birthday, our last time before his funeral to celebrate his life.   2 weeks later we had his funeral.  And we celebrated it the way Alan would have wanted his party to have been, balloons, tears, stories, love shared.  7 weeks was such a long time for him, a split second for us.

So please, there is help for those in need.  Don't give up.  Just cause today may be a 'bad' one, the future may be full of rainbows and balloons. 

(In Feb 2008, on his birthday, I made his favorite cinnamon rolls, poured up 2 gobletsof sparkling cider, toasted him with love, and blew out his candles, said I loved him forever and said it was time to go to bed.)

From Alan's loving sister, Joyce

Joyce-

 

Your entry touched me in a way that you will never know. I also have a mentally disabled sister and can completely relate to your story. Alan was SO lucky to have you as a sister as well as the rest of your family as his rock. But on the other hand, how blessed are you to have had Alan in your life! Often, I worry about the day that a sickness might befall my sister, but hearing your story about Alan really puts things in perspective.

 

I hope you know how wonderful you are!

Jessica

 
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March 26, 2008, 5:46 pm PDT

Wow what happened to sympathy.

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I am also the mother of a disabled child.  My son has Cerebral Palsy and is Autistic and I agree with everything you said.  I could not imagine one moment without my son in my life and can't  imagine life without him now.  He is such a blessing even with all the struggles that we have went through and still have to go.  I was told what a great school that Mississippi has for children like my son and against my better judgement did have him put in residentual care for 8 months.  It was a disaster for all of us and believe me as long as I live and breathe he will never leave home again.  Like you say thaere is always a way to cope and life isn't easy for anyone.  Anybody that thinks it is is living in a fantasy world.
Sorry, but you ladies who claim you know how challenging it is to raise children like this should be ashamed of yourselves. This poor lady needs help, not daggers thrown at her.  "Just deal with it"  a previous poster said. WHAT? Are you kidding me?  Maybe you can. Just because you see your handicapped child as a blessing doesn't mean everyone has to. I'm sure this poor woman would cut off both her arms to have her son be able to attend a birthday party or speak a sentence.  She said that If she knew then what she knows now maybe she would not have brought him into this world. Instead of casting stones at her maybe you should try to see it from her side. I'm sure she feels not bringing him into this world might have been the kinder thing to do for him. What  kind of life does the poor child have?  And what happens to him (and  kids like this) when the parents are gone? It is not for us to judge- and for those of you who have such compassion for the sickly should be a little more considerate of another's pain.
 
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March 26, 2008, 5:58 pm PDT

I think you're confused

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As a very blessed mother of 3 beautiful and "normal" children you may not think I have the right to speak...However, I only wish that there was not that hurtful message to the woman w/the autistic and down-syndrome child regarding her being a "bad" person.  This woman clearly is stressed and in need of more help than "blasts".  She is reaching out, in honesty, of her situation and her personal feelings which include selflessness and guilt and inadequecies.  Even though she may have these so-called "bad" feelings and negativity...It does not mean she is any less of a person or a mother than any of us!  She is simply having difficulties - in a very serious situation - and is reaching out for help!  I just wish all the blessings and love and the best life can offer to you, dear lady!  God bless you!...Julie...Ada, MI

I'm not sure who you are talking to.  But, I can only assume that "that message" was mine.  I never sad she or her feeling were "bad".  I noticed you kept quoting that.  All I said was that I was disturbed by it.  And that I was hurt by her at times wishing she had an abortion.  And on that topic, yes, you have have no right to judge me.  This is a free country.  I can say that statement hurt me as a mother of special needs children.  But, blessings right back at you, dear lady!

 
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March 26, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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If you are posting on behalf of the children, then you would be sympathetic to the moms.  Parents have to think about their own feelings and keep them in check in order to be good parents.  If their feelings are depression and resentment, then they need help, or they won't BE ABLE to take care of their kids.  Parents are also people, complex, multidimensional people who get overwhelmed.  You're not a parent 100% of the time, parents have jobs,  parents have hobbies, give back to the community, etc., it's one of many aspects of who you are.

 

I don't get why people would be saying that if you take advantage of resources, then you're a horrible/weak parent, BS, BS, BS.   You work smart, not hard (or not just hard, anyway).  If I can get similar if not better results using resources and not driving myself crazy than I can working myself to death, I'm going to do the former and be more efficient.  If people don't think they need, that, it's their business. 

 

If you really are on here posting on behalf of the children, then make suggestions that would help them instead of telling them that their kids should be taken away, etc that makes it far worse.  Are we supposed to reiterate that they're "weak and stupid"? Does that magically turn them into mothers of the year?  If I were Cyndi, I'd say "Kiss my fat a@@" to all the negative people.  What reason does she have to listen to all the negative criticism when 9 times out of 10, it's unconstructive crap to begin with? 

 

 

You are insinuating by providing information that will help parents see things through their childrens' eyes we're saying they're being bad parents. Nobody here has made it a black and white issue other than other parents. We're trying to help parents not be seen as bad parents in the eyes of their children.
 
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March 26, 2008, 6:44 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Sorry, but you ladies who claim you know how challenging it is to raise children like this should be ashamed of yourselves. This poor lady needs help, not daggers thrown at her.  "Just deal with it"  a previous poster said. WHAT? Are you kidding me?  Maybe you can. Just because you see your handicapped child as a blessing doesn't mean everyone has to. I'm sure this poor woman would cut off both her arms to have her son be able to attend a birthday party or speak a sentence.  She said that If she knew then what she knows now maybe she would not have brought him into this world. Instead of casting stones at her maybe you should try to see it from her side. I'm sure she feels not bringing him into this world might have been the kinder thing to do for him. What  kind of life does the poor child have?  And what happens to him (and  kids like this) when the parents are gone? It is not for us to judge- and for those of you who have such compassion for the sickly should be a little more considerate of another's pain.

I'm considerate of other's pain, the pain of the children who cannot speak out on behalf of themselves. I'm not saying it's easy to raise a special needs child, I never said it was. What I am saying is that these parents who go on TV on a show, to complain about how their needs aren't being met while their children are suffering, shouldn't be so suprised when they hear that they're not the only people who matter in the world.

 

There's a point where you have to stop saying, "If only" and start loving your child as they are. I'm sorry, but dragging a child around by their arm, no matter the circumstances is physically harmful to the child. You can't raise special needs children as if they're normal children. Discipline, threatening them, or yelling at them what they need to do only sounds like a threat to them. They behave on a more survivalistic level, if you act aggressive towards them they will do the same to you. You have to realize that if they don't want to go to bed, then they don't want to go to bed. What is forcing them going to prove? They're not going to understand why you are forcing them, just that you're forcing them to do something they don't want to do.

 

There seems to be little understanding of this on these boards, except by those few special needs parents who do understand, that the little sucesses are what matters and the most you can hope for. It was said Alex has the mind of a small child. Most small children when confronted with an agressive parent, cry, feel fear, feel terror. The job of the parent is to not instill that fear in their child. When Alex says mean, he means it's time to stop. Ignoring him, is going against what he's asking of his mother to do. It's as simple as that. I mean, how would you feel if someone dragged you around by your arm?

 
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March 26, 2008, 6:53 pm PDT

Lorraine in Wa State

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I do hope that this topic is taken seriously in future shows. I am raising my younger sister's daughter, now 7, who lost her mom to leukemia before she was 2. Prior to that loss of her mom, this poor child (and her older 1/2 siblings) were severely neglected. We strongly suspect in utero drug and alcohol exposure, and based on her physical condition when she came to live with us, she was severely emotionally & physically neglected by a laundry list of caregivers (and I use that term loosely!). When she came to us just before 2, she barely spoke, had terrible rages and many food and elimination issues. We corrected most of those, but her behaviors have gotten progressively worse to the point where, at 7, we are very worried about what she will be capable of as a teen and young adult. We have experienced (and are still) lying, sneaking, stealing, cruelty to animals, willful destruction of others property, lack of remorse, lack of conscience, inability to predict consequences, food hoarding, refusal to follow rules, violence against my own children, inability to show affection, the list goes on....  I had been hoping for Dr. Phil to do a REAL in-depth show on R.A.D., or similar, but it seems that this show dealt more with parental frustrations than the actual issues of the disturbed children and how to get help for them. I have spent hours and days trying to get help for this young child. My hope is that, through early intervention, we can save her from going down a terrible path.

 

For those not dealing with this disorder, you simply have no idea what this is like. In the public eye, my little one is very charming and personable. She will melt and then steal your heart in the blink of an eye. She seems to have my sister's gift of having people drawn to her instantly. Then behind closed doors, I have a child that must be watched constantly. If left alone, sometimes even for an instant, she will do something mean and destructive, injure a family pet, steal something left within reach, and then lie about it to your face. The roller coaster is unimaginable. Just when you think that maybe she has turned a corner and is making progress, then - SLAM - you get hit with something new that she has done. This behavior is just starting to manifest at school as well. It has taken me two years to get her into the proper counseling, (it took three tries), thankfully covered by insurance, and we are now looking into the possibility of in utero brain and developmental injuries with a Clinical Neuropsychologist. I am hopeful, but if I had not been such a bulldog about seeking help for her behaviors, all of these things would have been overlooked and we would probably eventually find her in the juvenile justice system, or worse.

 

We are fortunate (if you can call it that) by having some idea of her early years, no matter how rough. While her behaviors are tough on our family, they are by NO MEANS the worst that can be. In support boards, I hear of far worse, so while our situation is tough, they are those that are tougher! The best I can offer, being the in midst of this battle, is to keep fighting for help for these kids. The disorder and the problems are very real. Love simply is NOT enough to overcome the physical and psychological obstacles that these kids are given. It takes lots and lots of hard and diligent work on the part of the responsible adults. If you have one of these kids, or know someone who does, encourage them to seek respite care when possible because the battle CAN be exhausting. You must keep looking for help and answers, don't simply take a "no" from insurance, because I don't believe that they truly want to unleash broken people into the world. I had to ask for higher levels of review to have my daughter's problems given the attention that she needs, but once they understood, they are pretty helpful. At least so far.

 

We have not solved her issues, but we are working on it. Yes, it does get frustrating! It also gets lonely, because, if friends DO believe you, they avoid you to stay away from the problems of the child, and if they DON't believe you, they avoid you because they think that YOU are nuts! It's a no-win. Find support groups. Fight for help. And if you know someone with a child like this, don't be too quick to judge them, you simply have no idea what it is like!

 

Lorraine in WA State

 

We are going through a  very similar situation with A.  She is our granddaughter, and we have had custody of her since she was 3 years old.  She is 13 now, and we are fighting the insurance co.. to pay for her treatment, a Level IV Residential Treatment Facility.  We just received her Notice of Denial of Medicaid Service, and we have until April 7th to finish filing the appeal..  We have private insurance for A., as well, but that only goes so far.  You are right, everyday is a battle, and if you stop for one second, you lose one minute that that child can't afford to lose.  Time is not on their side, because the older they get, the harder it is for them to unlearn the behaviors that have become so engrained in them.  How about the rages in the stores.  Being asked to leave Target, twice.  A shoe store. in Vermont, because A. wanted boots that were not her size.  She leveled a shoe rack, and had to be carried from the store.  She stole my sister-in-law's watch, and then said she did not know how it got in her pocket when we found it there.  Yes, the stealing , the lies, the rages, the hitting, the kicking, hurting our dog when she thought no one was looking, stabbing the lizards outside our house, writing on the bathroom walls, wiping feces on the bathroom floor and vanity, cutting up her cloths and sheets.  I could go on, but I won't.  Can you e-mail me?
 

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