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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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March 27, 2008, 6:09 am PDT

One more thing to DAD

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Get a life. Stop knocking my wife and how we live our life.This women accepts that our son is disabled and she has been his cheerleader.What you see in the few clips are not at all what goes on all the time.You did not  see her working and struggling to teach our child to learn his alphabet  or write.You did not see her laying in be with our son rubbing on him and singing to him.You saw him drop to the floor after he got off the bus because she said," Alex lets go potty." She should be an inspiration to parents.She would not give up on this child when others would have.When he was born that is when we first learned he was DS.Before his birth My wife started bleeding and we felt something was wrong like her body was trying to naturally abort the baby.We were scared.My wife asked the Dr. if anything was wrong and he did test and and assured her everything was fine.He not only missed the Down Syndrome but our son had a heart defect the Dr. missed.Right after our son was born the hospital drew a pictured diagram and said half of your sons heart is missing and he needs immediate medical attention.Oops they were looking at another childs chart.Now our son eventually had to have heart surgery just not that severe.Our son would have died at 6 months of age if not for this mother you keep bashing.Every day for a week she took him to the Dr. telling them something is seriously wrong.Then after he saw a different Dr. thanks to the persistence of my wife our son was hospitalized for having a life threatening illness especially due to his heart.This is the mother that gave him breathing treatments day and night.Our son got cellulitis of the face/head and swelled up life the elphant man, and his eyes swelled shut. Again my wife took him to a different Dr. everyday that week afraid for his life.This is recent. He went to the emergency room,the heart dr.,the ped,and eye Dr., and back to the Ped.She has felt that  the cellulitis is what has helped to make his behaviors worst but the Dr.'s did not think so.My wifes mother was diagnoised with lung cancer and the Dr. were 96% sure they could save her life.They were wrong an actually cause my wifes mother to pass away sooner than she would have if they had not operated.Part of the problem with my wife is she has lost her faith in Dr.s due to this experience and the fact they did not know our child was going to be disabled.Before he got the cellulitis that same year a child at school bit our son.It was ugly.My wife had to get an attorney involved to get that child removed from the classroom to protect our son.Our sons behavior toward going to school has gotton worst and this is not the first time something has happened in a school here to our son.My wife had him moved from another school because he came home with bruises and soaking wet pullups.She put him at this school because it was supposed to be the best here.The attitude of the school with us and my wife about our sons human bite, they don't have to tell us if the child has aids, or any other horrible illness.The school said they have not seen our sons behavior get worst at school because of the bite.That is a lie.The next morning after our son was bitten when my wife got him up for school he said no.My wife said Alex it is time to get ready for school and he said "NO" and threw himself on the bed.Once he finally got to school he threw up.They called my wife.My wife is always there for our son helping him,teaching him,singing to him, and he loves to play games with her. She taught him how to play basketball , play chase, and he loves her.The word mean does not mean my wife is mean.He slapps all of us and when he does, we say Alex that is mean do not slapp.Once in a mall he threw his cup and hit and old lady in the head.My wife was so upset for the lady and then latter we worried the lady might sue us. Now you did not see this side of our life on this show.Why because my wife whom you say does not care wrote to these talk shows everyday trying to get help for us and our son and used whatever show idea she could to get on the show.Thank goodness they listened.Thank goodness for Dr. Phil.some of these things were said so she could get us on the show so we would be able to get more resources for our son, Our state is at the bottom of the list as far as resources for autism go, we were told that there was a chance he could be born with down syndrome because of the size of his head , this was a high risk specialist reading a ultra sound , and alex is with us , and will always be with us I hope this clears things up, also resources end when the child turns three in our state , they come and take all the equipment away as far as ot,pt and speech equipment , he did not have a dg. of autism at that time and im not sure if there were resources for that . i have bcbs insurance and it does not cover any ot,pt or speech , we have learned to have a different outlook on life since then, things that bother other people seem not to be as important to us, we have more important issues.
Way to go for sticking up for you and YOUR family!!!!!!!!!!!! Your wife is very lucky to have such a supportive husband!!! I also want to say that is WONDERFUL what she has done for this child. I really really feel for her and you too! I wish you the best!!!!!!!!!
 
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March 27, 2008, 6:13 am PDT

that was nice

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Hi everyone,

       My name is Anntoinette, I have three children 12,10 and 5. My youngest son was diagnosed with autism three years ago. At first it was hard for my family to except but as time went on nothing changed. I knew my son was different from birth but I never gave up or changed. I was determined to find out what was wrong. Many doctors told me I was an over concerned mom to relax but I knew there was something different about him. I do have days that get overwhelming like the Dr.'s appointment today. But I look at it as the lord would not have given me a special needs child if he didn't feel I was strong enough to care for him. He is our special gift from god I wouldn't change that for anything.I do understand the frustration of the parents of Alex but they can get through it with other families like mine as well as doctors and therapist they can deal with things. I will be praying for his family as well as others in our situation. I am more than willing to be a support person if needed because I could use a good support person too. It is very hard on the finances to care for a special need child but where there's a will there's a way right??????? Please email me if you would like to talk further..... Thank you

 

A concerned mother

 

 

I really liked what you wrote. My son is also 5 and was diagnosed with Autism about 3 yrs ago as well. I would love to talk to ya sometime. ;-)  kc
 
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March 27, 2008, 6:22 am PDT

I guess you didn't read the DADs post about the mean story

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I'm considerate of other's pain, the pain of the children who cannot speak out on behalf of themselves. I'm not saying it's easy to raise a special needs child, I never said it was. What I am saying is that these parents who go on TV on a show, to complain about how their needs aren't being met while their children are suffering, shouldn't be so suprised when they hear that they're not the only people who matter in the world.

 

There's a point where you have to stop saying, "If only" and start loving your child as they are. I'm sorry, but dragging a child around by their arm, no matter the circumstances is physically harmful to the child. You can't raise special needs children as if they're normal children. Discipline, threatening them, or yelling at them what they need to do only sounds like a threat to them. They behave on a more survivalistic level, if you act aggressive towards them they will do the same to you. You have to realize that if they don't want to go to bed, then they don't want to go to bed. What is forcing them going to prove? They're not going to understand why you are forcing them, just that you're forcing them to do something they don't want to do.

 

There seems to be little understanding of this on these boards, except by those few special needs parents who do understand, that the little sucesses are what matters and the most you can hope for. It was said Alex has the mind of a small child. Most small children when confronted with an agressive parent, cry, feel fear, feel terror. The job of the parent is to not instill that fear in their child. When Alex says mean, he means it's time to stop. Ignoring him, is going against what he's asking of his mother to do. It's as simple as that. I mean, how would you feel if someone dragged you around by your arm?

The Dad explained the situation about the boy saying mean. He hits and they say "no you can't hit, that is mean".... WELL, I can relate. When my son who has autism wants to do something (sometimes it might be very dangerous to his safety) and I say no Ben get down, he will slap me out of frustration that he can't climb, or play with something sharp, etc. If he slaps me, I ALSO say, no Ben, that is mean, you can't slap people.... We try to teach our kids with disabilities better behaviors as they do when they are in school or in institutions. Please don't be so judgemental. Your NOT living their life.
 
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March 27, 2008, 6:53 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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u know it not all about parents being parents u missed the whole point i put my kids first then my self but there comes a time when a parent needs some extra help like these moms so untill u walk in our shoes then tell me what and who comes first lady then take it from there got it get it good by the way parents are human to and need other parents to talk to

I would like to explain something.  First let me say that I have a very mild form of Aspergers.  That being said, no matter how much you explain it to the OP this PP is referring to, she is not going to get it.  People with Aspergers, myself and my husband included don't intuitively understand empathy.  For me I get empathy, and I have learned after years and years of struggle to empathsize with people, it doesn't feel natural for me.  My husband on the other hand, doesn't emphasize at all.  This comes off as being somewhat self absorbed.  It's just the way Aspie's are.  I can tell the OP with the utmost of confidence as a fellow person with ASD, you will not truly "get it" unless you have children.  The feelings are different when you have children, and if I don't take care of some of my needs (like if for some reason I need to stim on something), my children suffer because of it, because I don't have the patience or the where with all to take care of them.  You have to go beyond what you felt as a child, I was diagnosed at a very late age (31 years old to be exact), and before that I suffered from the labels of anxiety, depression, dyslexia, and sensory processing disorder.  The children being described are much more severe than we are.  No one knows my issues unless I tell them, these children have issues so severe that it's apparent when people see them.  They can't live on their own ever.  Also when you become a parent you have to transcend from the self centeredness and do things for your children.  What good is Cyndi if her back is so severely injured that Alex has to sit in his own feces all day, because she can't properly lift him anymore?  That's what these parents are faced with.  They are neither stupid or lazy or ignorant on what the child is going through.  In fact they are very caring.  Having a child with severe issues is very very very very different from what we have.  My AS is sometimes an inconvinience in odd social situations, or it's a problem when I get anxious about things that bother me.  My son's autism fully effects him-- to the point where if the lights are too loud he must cover his ears.   And my son is no where near the severity of these children.  Unless you are living it and breathing it, you are not going to understand it.

 
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March 27, 2008, 8:24 am PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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Yes, we see some of that as well. We've also had the sheet cutting, and, while no feces, we have had cleaning chemicals sprayed and/or dumped onto the bed, photos and furniture in the adult's bedroom. We have, so far, been fortunate about the public melt downs - it's that slight touch of avoiding embarrassment that keeps her in check in the public eye. Even that small sign of remorse or recognition of what is "acceptable" gives us a little hope. It's such a wild ride! I really don't feel comfortable generating personal contact through this board, and I am no where near qualified to provide you anything but moral support, so I must graciously decline your offer of contact. However, there is hope out there. Search in your area for attachment support groups. There are also several websites devoted to the topics of RAD, such as radkids.org, attachment.org and others. Many have listings to local and/or Internet support groups in your area, probably including Yahoo discussion groups. Please seek support from others. It a great relief to have a place to unload when the burden gets too heavy, and the other folks in this world really "Get" it. They have access to resources, support group meetings, etc. Sometimes, even just listening to problems that are worse than yours can make your own situation seem a little less hopeless. I know that sounds a little selfish, but I think we have to do what we need to do to get some perspective on our own situations.

 

Good luck with the treatment plan and you keep on those insurance companies. You really need to get past the hourly phone personnel and on to someone with some initials behind their name. They seem to be more realistic and reasonable. I have been lucky so far that my persistence has paid off to her benefit. I just hope that I can keep this up until she is an adult. We'll see. Again, good luck to you. I'll keep you in my positive thoughts.

 

Lorraine in WA state

Did your child have a Quantitative EEG done?  A. had one done, as well as, an assessment with an RAD specialist.  We will be getting the results back on 4/1.  I am curious to know if anyone else has been through this, prior to treatment.

 

Barbara in NC

 
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March 27, 2008, 8:44 am PDT

Not Surprised!

After reading some of the posts from the board, I am troubled but not surprised by the judgment of people who "think they know" what it is like to raise a SPECIAL needs child!

 

My heart and prayers go out to Cyndi and her family.  Thanks to Dr. Phil, I believe they will get help that will improve their lives.  Unfortunately the help that Dr. Phil so generously provided is beyond the scope of what most families can afford.  Insurance would never cover such a facility. 

 

To the people who say, "there is help," "there are therapies," etc., you have no idea the cost of these therapies that most insurances do not cover.  Right now, there are States going through the Senate to get insurance companies to pay for such therapies.  It is very difficult because the insurance companies know that it takes years of therapy for a mid- to low-functioning child with Autism to learn to dress himself, for example.

 

When a family has a Downs' child and/or a child with Autism, it is not go "get a prescription and some therapy and he will be fine."  These are lifelong disabilities.  The effects on a family can be catastrophic, to say the least.

 

      I am a mom of a child with Autism who is 9 years old.  I am also a person who has lived with being born with what some people see as a disability (I never saw it that way).  I am a congenital amputee (from birth).

 

 NOT WHINING - JUST REALITY:

     I lived through bullying as a child in school.  I must say, bullying, lack of empathy, discrimination, and utter intolerance for people who are different is much worse than it was when I was a child. 

 

     At a young age, I thought I decided hot to have children because of the way I was not accepted by the world.  However at the age of 39, I talked my husband into having just one child. 

 

     Everything was wonderful until our son reached 18 months.  We started the diagnosis dance of Autism.  Our son has Autism.  We moved out of Illinois and to Wisconsin because Wisconsin had an intensive therapy program offered by the State of Wisconsin that we were sure could help our son.

 

     Our son is doing very well but I still have days, I cannot take him anywhere because of behaviors and because it is very difficult to keep him safe from running in front of a car, etc.  It is a work in progress.  Our life is better  than it has been since his early diagnosis.

 

     My son's condition is not about me.  One thing I will say that has been very difficult and some can judge this statement as harshly as you want.  Now, I am reliving my childhood in the worst way - watching people treat my son the way I was treated as a child, and worse.

 

      In my experience,  the World is not improving.  We have  a neighbor who removed her daughter from my son's 3rd grade class because she did not want her child exposed to a special needs child.  We do not receive invitations to Birthday Parties or play dates or neighborhood parties (with or without children).  When my son has a bad day and we are managing him outside the home, I receive the bad looks from Moms who obviously believe I am a bad parent.  Recently I have learned to say "It is not bad parenting, it is Autism." 

 

  I know Cyndi is not a bad parent and neither am I. 

 

  I would say, we love our SPECIAL needs child as much, if not more, than a typically-developing child.  To judge someone's love for their child is so unfair.

 

Cyndi, you are a brave woman to go on Dr. Phil and show the world how bad it can be.  I really believe the reason some people judge so harshly is because no one wants to believe that this type of scenario can "just happen" to someone. 

 

In closing, I don't want to make it sound as if there are not wonderful people in this World who treat my son  and our family with compassion, kindness and support.  However, these people are few and far between.

 

As people, I know we can do better.

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:00 am PDT

Also...

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gwarrior6 good post!  From yoshi's posts, I gather that she is trying to advocate for the kids.  It is nice that she wants to give them a voice so to speak, but I agree with you that you can't just ignore the needs and feelings of the parents.  I speak as the parent of a handicapped child.  i love my daughter very much, but I know that I also need some time to myself.  This does not make me a bad parent; infact it makes me a better parent because I come back refreshed and invigorated when I get some down time.  We are not selfish because we want to have lunch with friends or a shopping trip.  We have just as much of a right to enjoy these things as women with typically developing kids.

 

Someone (maybe yshi) also commented that the Dads seemed like the better parent.  Well, guess why?  Dad is away  from home a good part of the day.  Yes, granted he is working rather than out having a good time, but during this time he is away from the difficult task of rearing and caring for a handicapped child.  He is with other adults.  (The mother meanwhile is at home with the entire responsibility of caring for the child.)  Since Dad is away for a good part of the day, he comes home more able to deal with the challenges than Mom who has been doing it all day long.  The points  I am making is that no matter how much you love your child you still need time away to recharge, and this makes you a  better parent. It is not selfishness by any means.

 

Taking advantage of resources does not mean a parent is weak or neglectful. Someone on here referred to support groups as Mommy Martyr time.  That is not what the support group I belonged to was like.  We shared ideas with eachother and many of us became friends and got our children together so that they could have a "play date" while us Moms enjoyed eachothers' company and exchanged information about teaching skills to our kids, doctors, toy lending libraries etc.

 

Lastly, coming on here to criticize is not helping neither the parents or the children.  Gwarrior6 has hit the nail on the head when she says if you care about the kids make suggestions to help the parents rather than nasty comments about having the kids taken away or name calling.  

 

Cyndi if you are reading this, please take advantage of any resources available.  Try to get a little time away for yourself..it works wonders. It is not a weakness as some on here (many who never even dealt with anything close to what you have) are saying.   You will come back refreshed and both you and your child will benefit.   And perhaps some of the resources will provide you with methods that will work better at home for you and Alex.  Good luck,  from one special needs Mom to another.

 

You brought up a good point.  Isolation is a part of the problem, from other people and from the resources you need (as they may not be available, depending on where you live, and what your insurance covers).  Kudos to you for having a support group you can consult!

 

Once the parents have what they need- whether it's being refreshed, or having PT/OT/ST equipment and treatment, etc.- they'll know how to take better care of and communicate better with their kids, which is the ideal they were trying to achieve. 

 

God bless Cyndi, Julie, and every parent that has a child with special needs. 

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:03 am PDT

Tired of Being A Mom

Hi,  I am a single mom and I have an 18 year old daughter with Down Syndrome.  I love her to death.  I do sympathize with this mom.  I work 40+ hours a week, try to take 1 night school class a year plus all the other things that I have to do with my daughter, speech therapy, special olympics and just general everyday stuff like homework which can take up to 2 hours to complete one little page of work.  It can be a struggle.  I just want to let her know that there is a pot of gold at the end of the tunnel.  I don't get alot of support, my parents help out when they can and I have a worker come to my home one evening a week so that I can go out and get groceries and get myself out of the house for awhile.  It takes ALOT of patience and hardwork.  You have to be consistant and have realistic expectations for you child.  Keep on a schedule and get down to your childs level when communicating.  It takes time, effort and a lot of work but it will pay off in the end.  I need my time outs too to regenerate myself.  I know that my daughter will never grow up, go to University, get married and have children of her own and more then likely she will have to leave either with me or live in a supervised setting but my daughter is happy and she tries everyday to be the best person that she can be.  She doesn't even believe that she has Down Syndrome, she thinks I made it up.  She knows that she works harder then most of the kids in school but she doesn't mind, she plans to become a teacher one day.  Who am I to tell her that she can't.
 

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March 27, 2008, 9:39 am PDT

1 adopted from Russia, 1 adopted from US & 1 biological

I totally empathize with the mom who feels a total lack of love from her daughter from the Ukraine.  I have one adopted from Russia (at 16 months old who is now 12), one adopted from the US (at 2 days old who is now 11), and one that we had biologically (who is now 10).  My son from Russia has totally bonded with my husband (who works and comes home to find his frustrated wife wanting to vent).  I am a loving person and I love my other two, but, as hard as I try, I just can't seem to find it in my heart to feel any emotion other than frustration for my son from Russia.  We live in a small town and I would not feel comfortable going to therapy here because (1) I'm sure no one has any real understanding/expertise of my unique situation, and (2) because (in this small town) everyone knows everyone and I wouldn't feel comfortable opening up about my true emotions.  The stress has caused horrible pain in my marriage and all of my kids know that the other two are favored over the one from Russia.  It kills me to know that I feel more love for my other 2 kids than the one from Russia.  My husband is not an emotional man, but luckily he is involved in the boys' lives in Boy Scouts and other "Daddy" activities.  I'm feeling so overwhelmed and talking with my friends/family emphasizes the pain I am in, rather than helping it. 
 
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March 27, 2008, 9:49 am PDT

You are not abandoning your son

Cyndi and Ulis...you are not abandoning your son by placing him temporarily in an institution where he will be receiving intensive speech, physical and behavioral therapy.  Alex is capable of much more, but unfortunately he needs to be taken out of his comfort zone to accomplish further goals.  Goals related to communication skill building (possibly sign-language) and self-sufficiency skill building (e.g. potty training).  You two are awesome! I don't think parents have the right to judge or react unless they had a disabled child.  My child has 2 hidden disabilities (autism like behavior and sensory seeking disorder).  I feel like my poor baby has a full-time job with her testing, monitoring, therapy and special preschool.  I ended up quiting my job because there really wasn't a daycare that could accommodate her needs. She needs a lot more attention than a "normal" child.  People just don't understand the amount of attention even a mildly delayed or disabled child needs, much less a severe disability.  Then, come the emotions. The feeling of loss.  The books I've read say that we mourn for the child we lost.  You know, those typical fantasies of what being a parent would be like.  The little league and soccer games, family dinner, Sunday outings after church, fighting about homework, prom, graduation and then self discovery.  We don't get those things, unless we fight for them.  Every little word, emotion, response or "normal" activity I get from my child, I have to work for, and I remind you that my child is considered high-functioning.  My only word of advice is take the assistance Dr. Phil is providing you.  Please, do not punish yourself during the brief time of separation you may experience with Alex.  In fact, plan a cruise or vacation, because YOU DESERVE IT.  You will come back rested and strong and ready to work harder than ever. Also, don't forget there are organizations for parents.  I like the family activities, (mainly picnics).  I'm sure Alex will enjoy it.  Lastly, Cyndi you have a great husband. 

 
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