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Created on : Thursday, March 20, 2008, 12:38:55 pm
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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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April 1, 2008, 3:10 pm PDT

You poor thing

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Sarcasm yes anger no, I wouldn't invest that much in you. and like i said in the other post, Its not about what you say know, its what you said before the show to get yourself on the show and what you said once you where there talking on the show, alot of backtracking now.

 

My thought never where for you, but for your children and the damage  you caused them with your statments. To take your childrens security of always knowing mommy would never leave them by choice is cruel and selfish, no matter what your needs are.

 

My post where always the same, what about your kids, and look at what they must feel. but you never got it!!

and i don't think you ever will.                Goodbye

I feel bad for you. My children are loved and healthy and smart and have a great life. I feel so so sorry for you. Please seek out the help you so desperately need.
 
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April 1, 2008, 3:34 pm PDT

When Love is NOT Enough

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I feel bad for you. My children are loved and healthy and smart and have a great life. I feel so so sorry for you. Please seek out the help you so desperately need.
This will help anyone needing more information abut Reactive Attachment Disorder. I hope you will help these families that need your help. The parents are tired and dont need to hurt as much as they are now. The children dont know how to trust. I know from experience it is hard. My sister which we adopted has RAD. IT IS HARD!!! www.campbrokenhearts.org
 
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April 1, 2008, 3:37 pm PDT

I do know

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Wait till Tuesday. Then talk. Do some research on Reactive Attachment disorder before then and keep your heart alive.

She may not know what she's talking about, but I do.  Having adopted children myself and having a neice who is from the Ukraine.  I have quite a bit of experience in the adoption arena.

 

Children are not puppies or furniture you can return to the store.  I'm so tired of people saying they are too tired, out of ideas, or just don't want to deal with it anymore and then giving up on children.

 

Yes, we all, as parents, have every right to whine, cry, scream, be frustrated and have a hard time dealing with things at times.  But, get it out (away from the child), then be an adult and suck it up!!  You chose to be a parent.  What if you had problems with a child you gave birth to, are you going to "send them back" when the going gets rough??!!  And where, precisely, are you going to send them too?

 

When we adopted, one of the things the very wise judge said at the finalization was that we will be responsible for this child as though we had given birth to them ourselves.  We said we certainly hope so.

 

I am not discounting the people who need help - but then GET HELP!!  There are so many resources out there if you just look.  There are no magic cures, but there is help.  Get off your duff, scream, cry, hit the wall if you need to and then quit whining, and make some changes. 

 

 

 
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April 1, 2008, 3:52 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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one's true character comes out when faced with hard times,

 

 

La la happy land, I think thats on Nick. the show is called The Brady Bunch. but even on that show Carol B. had to put up with the kids fighting and being a hand full.

 

Yes parents do all the above, but what a good parent doesn't do is pass the guilt on to her children to bare. your children are not responsible for your happiness or your lack of it. and how do you teach your children empathy when you show them none, did you think what your kids would feel when you walked out the door twice? did you think of how they would feel when they hear your tired of being their mom and are thinking of leaving for good, boy   you where so empathic to their feeling.( you sure did teach them empathy)

Empathy is putting one self in someones else shoes, to feel how they would feel. So how do you think your kids felt or would feel if they knew what you feel about them?

 

You did not say that you need a break, You said your tired and you are thinking of leaving for good, you left twice before. is that not what you said?

Here is where things get tricky...let me try and explain.

Parents are mere human beings. They do things and say things that are imperfect. Seeking help is always a good idea.

But why is it a good idea to seek help...because if kids are seriously wounded by the things parents do, then they can carry those wounds into adulthood.  Thus, when those kids become parents themselves, they might not be perfect. It's a cycle.

This mother may or may not have had issues in her childhood that make mothering harder for her than it is for you. Simply count yourself lucky. I wish I were so lucky. Mothering is hard for me and I have a perfectly healthy child. I can't imagine if my child had any illnesses.

So, if you are truly worried about the welfare of children, then there has to be reason, damaging children is damaging them as PEOPLE, not only as children. They can grow to be damaged adults....damaged adults deserve empathy too. (I am not saying this mother is damaged, I am saying it's possible.)

I am having a hard time wording this as this is a thought I've been mulling in my head for a long time now.

If it's not clear I will try to say it again in a different way.

Let's say a little girl is sexually abused. She grows up. She becomes a prostitute. Do we then blame her prostitution ON HER or do we blame the person who abused her in the first place?
 
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April 1, 2008, 4:04 pm PDT

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No one has said that a mother should not take time for herself, nor  has that been said to her, she babbles alot that is what she is hearing. but thats not whats being said.

 

She has changed her tune alittle, but she is the one that walked out on her family twice and is thinking about doing it again, and thats a quote from her.

 

A mother does not scare her kids with abandoment, because she is overwhelmed with day to day life, she takes a day to herself goes to the mall, to the spa, lunch with a friend. she doesn't  go on tv and say I'm tired of being a mom and she might leave for good this time. what kind of mom does that to her family. and what kind of point did she make with it.

 

She is 33 years old with 4 kids she can't take it back to wal-mart and exchange her life,( I don't think Wal-Mart does that anymore) and she can't make her kids feel guilt for her choices.

First of all I think we are just getting a piece of the story from the show.  And perhaps things may look different than they are, due to editing.  I have the feeling that  if we were to know Charity in person ,she would be less extreme than she was portrayed. 

At any rate, realtime, I do not know why you are on here continuously bashing this woman.  I, as well as others, have come on to offer advice with things that we have found helpful through our own mothering experiences..such as taking some breaks and doing things that are of interest to us.  Then coming home refreshed and ready to take the reins of motherhood along with  its challenges again.  It would be nice if you offered some ideas rather than non-stop criticisms.

 
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April 1, 2008, 4:10 pm PDT

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Here is where things get tricky...let me try and explain.

Parents are mere human beings. They do things and say things that are imperfect. Seeking help is always a good idea.

But why is it a good idea to seek help...because if kids are seriously wounded by the things parents do, then they can carry those wounds into adulthood.  Thus, when those kids become parents themselves, they might not be perfect. It's a cycle.

This mother may or may not have had issues in her childhood that make mothering harder for her than it is for you. Simply count yourself lucky. I wish I were so lucky. Mothering is hard for me and I have a perfectly healthy child. I can't imagine if my child had any illnesses.

So, if you are truly worried about the welfare of children, then there has to be reason, damaging children is damaging them as PEOPLE, not only as children. They can grow to be damaged adults....damaged adults deserve empathy too. (I am not saying this mother is damaged, I am saying it's possible.)

I am having a hard time wording this as this is a thought I've been mulling in my head for a long time now.

If it's not clear I will try to say it again in a different way.

Let's say a little girl is sexually abused. She grows up. She becomes a prostitute. Do we then blame her prostitution ON HER or do we blame the person who abused her in the first place?

Just caught this as I finished my last post on this board.  I thought you worded this very well and it apparently comes straight from the heart!!! And crystal clear!!

 

And my answer to your last question would be that we blame the latter.  Although one can argue that she too was damaged and therefore the blame needs to go back another generation, or perhaps more. Another one of our insightful discussions, right Penny??

 
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April 1, 2008, 4:46 pm PDT

03/25 Tired of Being a Mom

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I feel bad for you. My children are loved and healthy and smart and have a great life. I feel so so sorry for you. Please seek out the help you so desperately need.

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April 1, 2008, 5:15 pm PDT

Oh how I can relate to Cyndi

Cyndi, I first want you to know that my heart deeply, deeply feels and totally empthatizes for you and your husband. I can complete and 100% relate to what you all are feeling and going thru. Your feelings are so justifyable.... and anyone with an extreme special needs child will agree.

We too have a special needs daughter. When she was 4 months old she was diagnosed with a severe and rare form of Epliepsy called Infanile Spasms. She had to have half her brain disconnected in order to keep the seizures from crossing over. She also has CP, and Autism. She is partially paralized on her left. She is almost 5, she does not speak, just started walking, severe cognitive delay,  huge sensory issues and is 100% g-tube dependent. She also has a twin, who is 100% completely typical in every way.

I know the fear and the heart ache you face with your son. We too deal with her not being able to communicate to us... especially when she is not at home and at school or her hab center... fearful that she has been  hurt and not be able to tell us. We so worry about her future. We do not know if she will ever be independent enough to ever live on her own. We worry where she will be when we are too old to take care of her or who will step in and take care of her for us. We were older when we became parents in our late 30's. It was a total suprise that she had this issues after they were born.

I know you are feeling guilty, overwhelmed and scared to death. I know too that just seeing you and your husband today, that you love your son with every fiber of your being in spite of all the day in and day out issues you have to deal with. It is exhausting, overwhelming and frustrating. Our daughter has ALOT of behavorial issues too. But we kind of got lucky and maybe this is where I can help.

I am not at all familar where you are from, but Sarah was able to get early interveniton. I have noticed since she is in therapies, that Sarah will not and does not respond or work with me like she does other people.

When she is at therapy, at school and at her hab center, she is really different. She works and accomplishes so much there than she does at home. Being with people trained to work with kids with special needs seem to get better responces. I was unable to watch the rest of the show, but tapped it.I did read the end of the story on line and I think that your son going to a facility will be the best thing for him and for you all. I promise you will start seeing the lignt at the end of the tunnel and you will see your son for him, not is disability. It is true what was said to "start out with a short-term inpatient facility, and then gradually mainstream back into the home and school setting" 

Please do not give up, I mean emotionally, you are a wonderful, caring person Cyndi and so is your husband. I know 100000% the emotional toll and roller coaster this takes. We are just in the begining stages, but were lucky for early intervention, but we have been thru ALOT with Sarah. We so do understand the intense behavior issues, sleepless nights, the not knowing what is upsetting her or making her mad, the fears or the future, but please know, he will be happier in the right facility and I know that Dr. Phill can and will help you find the best fit. It will be hard letting go, but as I said... you will see your son as "your son" and not "your son with a disability" it will be all worth it. I have never posted anything like this before, but I just had to reach out. My heart was so deeply touched and I truly felt a real connection and understanding. I do hope you will be able to read this.

Sincerely,

Victoria

 
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April 1, 2008, 5:47 pm PDT

Hello...

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Talk about infantiling  someone. what part of  I'm thinking about walking out on my family for good, or I would die for my children  BUT part of me is already has( what B movie she pulled that off of?) what out of that was being a great mom? she didn't think that in passing, the thought brought her all the way to the Dr. Phil show.

 

So tell me how is it being a great mommy to tell your kids your half way out the door and half of her is already dead. What do you think her think of her statments, think like a kid, if i fight one more time or if I'm not a good girl mommy is going to leave, or she is going to die , because half of her is dead and its my fault. I've haven't heard her one time say she was sorry for making those statments or walking out, because she knows now how they can hurt her children, all I've ever heard is how she feels and that it makes her feel guilty, and if she is hppy the kids will be happy, her first, kids second, getting the trend,

 

All mothers throw themselfs a pity party, here and there, but 5 minutes later where up and about makeing sure are kids are happy safe and no dout in their little minds mommy is there for them and not thinking about hiting the door.

 

She got HELP!  She is healing and learning to deal with stress, which models the appropriate way to deal for her children.  THAT's being a great mom!  If you have to go on Dr. Phil to do it, so be it! She wasn't taking care of herself, and that was affecting her parenting, now she's working on keeping her anxiety levels down- also modeling for her kids.   I don't think she TOLD her kids she was leaving or going to die...she just left.  Now she knows how to deal so she DOESN'T leave- she even came back when she did.   That sends the message to the kids that "mommy needs time away, but she'll be back".  Getrealtime, how do YOU know that youre not doing any damage to YOUR kids?

 

She can't go back in time and not leave.  It's in the past.  So moving forward, she's dealing with the stress and guilt of not loving every second of being mom.  I think that she's doing her best now and realizing that she needs time away or she's going to have a nervous breakdown and not be at her best.  Her children are better off for her learning this (or rather working on it step by step). 

 
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April 1, 2008, 6:23 pm PDT

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She got HELP!  She is healing and learning to deal with stress, which models the appropriate way to deal for her children.  THAT's being a great mom!  If you have to go on Dr. Phil to do it, so be it! She wasn't taking care of herself, and that was affecting her parenting, now she's working on keeping her anxiety levels down- also modeling for her kids.   I don't think she TOLD her kids she was leaving or going to die...she just left.  Now she knows how to deal so she DOESN'T leave- she even came back when she did.   That sends the message to the kids that "mommy needs time away, but she'll be back".  Getrealtime, how do YOU know that youre not doing any damage to YOUR kids?

 

She can't go back in time and not leave.  It's in the past.  So moving forward, she's dealing with the stress and guilt of not loving every second of being mom.  I think that she's doing her best now and realizing that she needs time away or she's going to have a nervous breakdown and not be at her best.  Her children are better off for her learning this (or rather working on it step by step). 

How do I know I'm not damaging my kids?Because I don't don't act like a child, I don't make my children suffer my pain , or douts with me. I don't scare them that I'm leaving them because its just to hard to handle that day. I don't go on the Dr. Phil show and tell the world that my kids are sucking the life out of me. and I want to leave.  I go to the local shrink and and get help there, so my kids don't have to hear about the show at school. and scare the hell out of them.

 

and yes she did say all the things I posted, look it up. hit read more about the show  above and find out.

 

I can say I have never left my kids or thought about leaving my kids, to put that fear in them would be selfish and damage their trust. Its  what a mother does, protect.

 
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