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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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August 19, 2008, 5:51 pm PDT

reality check

For everyone who does not have kids--you have no clue about how hard parenting is. For anyone who does not have a disabled child--YOU have no idea how hard that is--so keep all your armchair diagnosis and condemnations to yourself. Children are a challenge in inumerable ways. Nothing but real experience can prepare you for raising kids. Everyone's situation is different and unless you have a twin, who married your husbands twin and you work and live in the exact same places and have exactly the same age and sex of children, you cannot know what someone else's life is like or how it could be better. Here is something ALL parents need to realize--you are not great at everything. Just like when you were in school, and some subjects were easier and more interesting than others--there will be some aspects of parenting that come easier and some that you need to work at or you need help with. I truly wish that there were ongoing parenting classes. How many of us took Lamaze and childbirth class? What is offered after that as a preparation class? There needs to be some kind of ongoing courses for parents Like the "What to Expect" for 2 year olds, preschoolers, beginning elementary school, Middle school, high school and college. I guarantee YOUR experiences through these years are not the experiences your child is having. It seems that parenting courses for other than infants are focused on after the problems rather than being preventative.

I do not have physically or mentally challenged children. I have no idea what these families lives are like on a daily basis.5 minutes of footage on the Dr. Phil show does not give you the right to critisize thier parenting.

I DO have 4 gifted children that are a HUGE challenge themselves. Many people out there would say that I was whining and ought to be grateful that I don't have kids on the other end of the spectrum. I would say to them that gifted children are not always a walk in the park. In fact, I face a lot of the same issues for different reasons such as not doing school work, mood swings, peer acceptance, accepting authority, et cetera. I do have the blessing and luxury of knowing that they will be able to care for themselves eventually and I will not be caring for them indefinately.

My whole point is that fingerpointing and tut-tutting about the snips that you saw on tv or an incident you observed in the mall or movie theatre is useless and if you walk around saying "I would never let my child act like that", You are lying to yourself, about yourself, or are totally oblivious to reality!

 
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August 19, 2008, 5:51 pm PDT

I know how you feel!

Wow, this show totally hit a cord with me- I adopted a little boy from an orphanage in Ukraine 1 1/2 years ago, and the show perfectly explained my boy. To a T. He is toxic to my husband and I, but turns on the charm for anyone who doesn't live in our home. Nobody believes us, either! I completely sympathize with Robyn. I hit that stage where I couldn't go another day, about a month ago. I wonder if my son has that attatchment disorder. That could be scary, but I have seen glimmers of hope. My husband and I left for 10 days for our anniversary trip, and when we came home, my son threw his arms around my neck and cried a real cry for the first time in years! After our return, he threw out his worst personality traits, I think in an attempt of keeping us with him, by hurting himself in any way possible, throwing tantrums, the whole sha-bang, but it backfired on him. We got really strict with him and completely ignored his bad behavior, making him lay on his bed and stare at the wall. If he picked the skin off the inside of his nose to bleed all over the bed, we made him wash out his own bedding, and put mittens on him for three days. After weeks of this intense discipline, he magically started to change. We saw smiles- real smiles- not the ones precursing a fake cry, but happiness in his eyes! We have heard him laugh like we've never heard him laugh in the past year and a half! And he tells us he loves us now! There is hope! Hang in there!
 
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August 19, 2008, 5:55 pm PDT

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i know exactly where the mom with the disabled child is coming from. my daughter is 22 and has cerebal palsy with physical as well as mental impairments. she will always need to be cared for. at the age of 27 i was pregnant with twins and becuase of a condition called twin to twin steal, one of my babies died at 32 weeks gestation. my daughter amy was born at 32 weeks by emergency c-ssection. not only was i not ready for twins, i was not ready to lose a child then also have a preemie as my first child. even though i was a nurse, i was not prepared for what was to be my life as a mom of a disabled child. i have been married for 27 years to a man who was sent to me  from God. i don't  know anyone else who would have stood by our family as he has.

there have been many many times over the last 22 years that i wished that my daughter had never been born. there have been many many times that i wished that i could leave and never come back. i have cried more tears than i ever thought possible. the anguish that a parent feels when you are helpless and cannot take this burden away from your child cannot be understood by anyone who has not lived it. guilt haunted me for years and i have to admit still creeps in even now.

my daughter does communicate and was able to attend school. she is in a wheelchair and is not continent consistently. taking care of her was not diffucult until after an orthopaedic procedure on her knees, she became severly depressed and required medication to break her out of it. that's when i can now say there was a turning point in not only my daughters life but mine as her mother and caretaker.

she began to gain weight because of the physcotropic meds she was on. it became more and more diffucult to care for her over the next several years. she also changed emotionally as did i. i became less and less tolerant and my moods caused her to also become angry and intolerent of us as caregivers.

to shroten my story, it became more and more diffucult to care for her physically, and it became even more diffucult to care for her emotionally. i can say that the atmosphere in our home was becoming unhealthy.

after a long time of searching our hearts, we decided to look for care for our daughter outside our home. now you have to understand as only a parent of a disabled child can, that we had decided that we would always care for our daughter as long as we were able. we believe that God had given her to us and we could not see any other option but to care for her. but when the situation became worse and more unhealthy for all of us, we knew we had to find her a place where she could be happy.

it had gotten so bad that i could no longer be home with her for longer than a few hours during the day because i could not lift her.

in june of this year 2008, we found a group home for our daughter that is only 13miles f rom our house. it is the hardest thing i have ever had to do in my life. i was scared, guilty, you name it. but i knew it would be best for her. but that did not make it easy.

it has only been a few months, but now when we see her, we visit as her parents, and not as her caregivers. the anxiety is easing slowly.

don't refuse help or think that if you place your child in an institution that you have failed.

God has promised us that He would never give us more than we could bear, and if we could not bear it, He would provide a way. I know that He has provided a way for my daughter to grow and become a more independent person seperate from us. i pray every night for Him to keep her. she is His more than she is mine, and i trust Him completely to watch over her. we have not given up our power of attorney or medical directives for her care, but now we can be her parents again and laugh and visit when we see her.

find the help you need for your child. but my best advice to you is to pray to God unceasingly. He is the answer to all your needs. He will provide for you and your family.

i would not have chosen this life for myself or my daughter, but God provided a way for me to become closer to Him.

thank you for your time to read my story

Your story really touched my heart. I am a mom of 2 grown normal children. And I can truthfully say that at times it was HARD. I was a SAHM and there were wonderful times, but there were times when I was pulling my hair out. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I cannot believe that there is a mom alive who can honestly say that it was all baking brownies and Leave It  To Beaver. Being a mother is a wonderful experience but it is not without it's rocky and trying times even under the best of circumstances. My heart goes out to you and anyone else who has had your experiences. Thank you for sharing your story.
 
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August 19, 2008, 6:26 pm PDT

A compromise......

To me it all seems to be kinda normal because a child will always be more obedient to one parent than the other and mostly always give one parent a harder time than the other, but because of Alex's disabilities the whole situation is ten times worst on Cyndi. I do believe they need some serious help perhaps at home because I do agree with Ulis and his dedication to his son. A compromise is what I would do. Get the help the family needs but keep Alex at home.
 
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August 19, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

severe downs syndrome child

This story sadly  takes me back to a few months ago. My daughter has 2 beautiful girls age 7 and 9. My daughter got pregnant and they monitored her closely  for the possibility  of having a Downes Syndrome child, the tests they did led up to the fact the baby indeed had Down Syndrome, she had further tests done that showed up with a lot of red flags about the severity the child may have, she had a large head and other problems , they told her that she would be very disabled and more. They told her she could abort because of the time frame they have to legally do it. We all were very distraught over this and she made the decision to abort for the only reason that she didn't want to see the child suffer with medical problems that would not be to pleasant for the baby. Don't get us wrong we do not believe in abortion which is why she had much difficulty in making that desicion. So our thoughts are did she make the right decision . the way I feel is if you know before hand that the child would be sick and sometimes go thru medical treatment that would make the child suffer  and have to go thru difficulties for entire life and there was no cure , wouldn't the baby be better off not to be born and end it before hand. My daughter still deals with the guilt every day, plus the fact that she does have two other younger children to raise and care for. My daughter is a Christian  and has horrible guilt over this matter We all hope the decision she made was for the best. why should a mother and child suffer the way this mother did on todays show, and not be able to raise the girls the way they should be raised, my daughter is a very loving mother and gets very upset when one of them are sick or in pain.

 
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August 19, 2008, 6:58 pm PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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People adopt children for many reasons...not all are the right ones.  Did you hear her say something to the effect of you have to give a child like that a place to live?  I don't think she's as much cold, as a person who wants to be seen as the local "saint"...and expects gratitude from these children...one was her sunshine...this one, well, she wants to send her back...no gratitude, farewell to you. 

She admitted that bonding with her was not possible.  Well, she was told about the disabilities, one being the child having the bonding problem...she wants to "fix" people, not accept them. 

I have friends who have adopted children with disabilities...two are totally committed, one did it to be seen as a goody two shoes. 

This was not an unplanned pregnancy, nor was it an infant adoption where there were no signs of disability...maybe she does this to please her husband.  I just got a bad vibe, like her heart wan't really in this, and the challange was something she did not  fully consider. 

We had such stringent screening on adoptive parents, but in the Ukraine, it may be less.  Seriously, what did she expect?  I heard her blaming the child for emotions that she didn't have...blamed that child for everything...

I think the little girl is reacting to her mother's  inability to love her.  The adoption, in my opinion was a mistake, and this child may be better off in another home.  Wonder where was CPS after the suicide attempt...no intervention?  That's really remiss.

Well, you bring up some good points.

 

I still maintain, though, that none of us knows what's in  this woman's heart, and that if she didn't care about this child she would not have come on the show seeking help. She must have some kind of a glimmer of hope for a good outcome....and, for the child's sake, I hope this is the case.

 

(And, regarding your question about where CPS was,  I can't recall if the child actually tried to commit suicide, or whether she just made the statement that she wanted to die. Either way, it's so sad. No child should ever feel such despair!) 

 
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August 19, 2008, 7:43 pm PDT

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This story sadly  takes me back to a few months ago. My daughter has 2 beautiful girls age 7 and 9. My daughter got pregnant and they monitored her closely  for the possibility  of having a Downes Syndrome child, the tests they did led up to the fact the baby indeed had Down Syndrome, she had further tests done that showed up with a lot of red flags about the severity the child may have, she had a large head and other problems , they told her that she would be very disabled and more. They told her she could abort because of the time frame they have to legally do it. We all were very distraught over this and she made the decision to abort for the only reason that she didn't want to see the child suffer with medical problems that would not be to pleasant for the baby. Don't get us wrong we do not believe in abortion which is why she had much difficulty in making that desicion. So our thoughts are did she make the right decision . the way I feel is if you know before hand that the child would be sick and sometimes go thru medical treatment that would make the child suffer  and have to go thru difficulties for entire life and there was no cure , wouldn't the baby be better off not to be born and end it before hand. My daughter still deals with the guilt every day, plus the fact that she does have two other younger children to raise and care for. My daughter is a Christian  and has horrible guilt over this matter We all hope the decision she made was for the best. why should a mother and child suffer the way this mother did on todays show, and not be able to raise the girls the way they should be raised, my daughter is a very loving mother and gets very upset when one of them are sick or in pain.

I'll bet that you will be blasted by a lot of people regarding your daughter's choice to get an abortion...there's sure to be lots of Bible thumping from those on this message boards.....but, here's my personal opinion, for what it's worth: I am a Christian and I am not  pro abortion...but, I am pro choice. I do not believe that abortion should be a method of birth control...but that's not what your daughter did, from what you've said.

 

I don't know that I would have made the same choice....but, I don't know that I wouldn't have, either.

 

The bottom line is this:

I think that each woman who chooses to have an abortion has to deal with the consequences, whatever they may be, both in this world, and when they have to face God...and I think that everyone  ought to butt out of that terribly personal decision! 

 

Your body, your choice....your consequences.

 

 

 
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August 19, 2008, 8:03 pm PDT

Bravo

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I've worked with special needs adults, children & teens. The main thing they need is clear, strong guidance in a peaceful setting. It would be ideal to have an advocate/special needs worker from the time the child is first diagnosed but when that does't happen, the parents have to get help from the community/schools. I worked with a boy who had severe Autism. He was 6 years old & still in diapers. His father told me "He aint' never gonna learn nothin'"  His mother was in tears. 

 

I asked the special needs teacher if I (an aide) could take this boy to a quiet room every day. She agreed b/c his behavior was distracting the other children, who were not as severely Autistic (etc.). So this boy & I spent the first 20 min. of each school day in a quiet room with little light. The flourescent lights off, just a little light from the blinds.  I would sit without saying a word while he ran around, yelling & flapping his arms.

 

After his 20 min. of flapping his arms, screaming, flopping on the floor, I would take one stuffed animal & say what it was "Zebra, Zebra" I'd look at him and say his name, then the animal's name. After 2 weeks, I could point to the toy box & say "Zebra" and the boy would go & get the Zebra.  This also worked with the AB Cs.  I used the cut-out wooden 3D ABCs, pick one up and say "A" & later, "Show me the A"  He was able to focus & do it. 

 

In the bathroom, I'd show him how to pull down his own "Pull Up" diapers.  I'd say very few words like "pants down. pull up down. sit on toilet. Good!" (frequent praise)  Too much noise, too many words really confuses & upsets people with Autism.  After 6 weeks, he was urinating by himself, like any 6 year old boy.  HIs parents were in shock  I realize that this method took incredible patience & repetition. 

 

It was only possible b/c the school system where I live (in Colorado--not a wealthy town) had a summer school program for special needs children.  The teacher was amazing & brilliant (as was the teacher in the high school where I worked during the regular school year).  I think the government should suport these kinds of programs all over the USA.  Each & every parent of a special child (whether Down, Autism, Bipolar, Schitzophrenic, physically disadvantaged) should get counseling & education on how to work with their child.  There should be programs where parents can take their children for at least 2 hours/day. 

 

The parents need a break from the kids & the kids need a break from the parents.  It's such a lit fuse situation, all the screaming & kicking etc. but I can tell you that because I didn't have to go home to that, I had the patience to work with that severely disturbed little boy for 4 hours, 5 days a week for an entire summer.  He left that program out of diapers, able to point to each letter of the alphabet, show us each animal (Zebra, Giraffe, Elephant & etc.).  He could point, in a book, every color, shape & numbers 1-10.  I only wish his parents could have participated in this program but that wasn't an option.  His mother was very kind but felt no hope until the end of the summer.  His father simply did not believe he could learn anything.  He was overjoyed---but this type of learning & care has to be Ongoing. 

 

There are some good institutions for severely disturbed children/adults but there are also terribly understaffed ones.  Go to social services & ask for help.  If you are a church member, ask your pastor/priest where programs are, drop-in services, etc.  There is help & you can have hope even for the most severely Autistic/Down children. 

     I loved your response to this tragic situation and want to commend you on advocating for people with special needs.  I to have experienced first hand people saying this person is never going to learn this or that and I say to them I know they can if we just give them the chance.  And of course after spending some time with them they can succeed all they need is the self confidence and the encouragement. Yes, I agree where is the help in this situation in my state as well which is Minnesota we have aids that assist the parents with the daily living skills and the consumer/client has a team which sees to the safety and growth of that person which is made up of a social worker, sometimes financial worker, aids, parents or siblings, and sometimes job coaches if they work in the community or special work enviroment which Minnesota also has aswell.  Yes, our state is very eager to assist people with special needs and even the governor of our state has a special commitee that tries to assist with people who have special needs not including several companies and advocacy groups that support them. 

So, in closing it would be nice to see all of the United States to follow suit of Minnesota as well as other states who already have advocating systems in place.
 
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August 19, 2008, 8:39 pm PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

I CANT EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE BEING CINDY! DEAR LORD! MAYBE YOUR HUSBAND COULD STAY HOME & YOU GO TO WORK?

 
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August 19, 2008, 8:39 pm PDT

Are you kidding me

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You need to find an outlet helping with children like this if you think this mom is awful.  We with handicapped children do need a rest for ourselves, and we do get tired of being a mom, I thank it is important to find respite care when we can.  You need to walk in her shoes for a month!
To the response to this post:  Since you want to be a mother so freaking bad, there are plenty of special needs, disabled, drug addicted babies needing adoption, help yourself.  Until you spend every minute of your waking life and alot of your sleeping life taking care of one of these children keep your comments to yourself.  I am sure that your desire to be a mother is limited by the needs of a child.  If it is not,  why don't you volunteer your time to help out some of these mothers.  That is what I thought.  Is your desire so that you would selfishly bring a child into this world, knowing that its prognosis was poor?  Had you thought of who will raise your special needs child should you or your spouse meet a premature death.....that's right the freaking nursing home or psychiatric unit has a bed.  Oh I get it, you prefer being a martyr for eternity....To the orginal poster you are accurate, respite care is much needed.
 
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