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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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August 19, 2008, 8:51 pm PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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Dr Phil,

I am so worried abt my daughter. She was in a 20 year marriage to a man who cheated and abused her both physically and verbally. She has no self esteem and they have 5 children. Abt 3 months ago she came out of her bedroom and found him and another man having oral sex together. She finally left him. I put her up in a motel for the night and then she went to her sisters home until he finally moved out. He moved to Texas and has not sent any child support money. She cries and threatens to kill herself because she can't make it. She said what holds her from doing it is her children. She applied for help from the state of MI but because she works 40 plus hrs a week she didn't even qualifiy for medicaid. I have asked her to get help but her response is I have no insurance and can't afford it. She moved out of her home about two weeks ago because she couldn't afford the payments. She went to legal aid and they helped her fill out divorce papers and child support papers. He was served last week and is now threatening to run so he doesn't have to pay. I feels so bad for her. I am proud that she finally got him out but I live on the west coast and she is on the east coast so I do what I can from here. But its hard. He calls and promises the kids things and then never follows through with it and its my daughter who the kids take their anger out on because he doesn't follow through with it. He is an alcoholic and a drug abuser and that is when he calls is when he's high or drunk and tells my daughter off or says mean things to the kids too. I told my daughter to not allow calls from him unless he is sober. But he calls when she is at work alot. Dr. Phil can you help my daughter get some counseling and her children.

Legal aid can attach his wages from the court where ever he goes (even if he runs).  It will attach everytime he uses his social security number anywhere.  She needs to get a restraining order (she can do this herself) and put in for supervised visitation only.  If he is a drug user he shouldnt be around the kids.  Addicts are attached to their addictions, not people.  Try Family Services for counseling.  Look for the nearest branch to where you live.  It is sliding scale.  They can take care of the whole familiy.
 
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August 19, 2008, 9:03 pm PDT

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I'll bet that you will be blasted by a lot of people regarding your daughter's choice to get an abortion...there's sure to be lots of Bible thumping from those on this message boards.....but, here's my personal opinion, for what it's worth: I am a Christian and I am not  pro abortion...but, I am pro choice. I do not believe that abortion should be a method of birth control...but that's not what your daughter did, from what you've said.

 

I don't know that I would have made the same choice....but, I don't know that I wouldn't have, either.

 

The bottom line is this:

I think that each woman who chooses to have an abortion has to deal with the consequences, whatever they may be, both in this world, and when they have to face God...and I think that everyone  ought to butt out of that terribly personal decision! 

 

Your body, your choice....your consequences.

 

 

I'm a pro choice Christian and I dont think God wants anyone to suffer.  I think the lives of the people walking on the planet are more important than the lives on the way but that every life is sacred.  If your daughter had not made her choice, there is no telling if she wouldn't have had an equally hard one to make later on.  Life is messy and you simply do the best you can.  I am thankful not to have been in her shoes with that decision.  God loves her, God I am sure loves the baby, and God will support her if she looks to Him.  I think when people try to make blanket statements and blanket rules it discourages thought and spiritual growth.  She has a growth opportunity and may learn greater compassion for others in this choice and the wrestleings she has with it. 
 
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August 19, 2008, 9:06 pm PDT

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Well, you bring up some good points.

 

I still maintain, though, that none of us knows what's in  this woman's heart, and that if she didn't care about this child she would not have come on the show seeking help. She must have some kind of a glimmer of hope for a good outcome....and, for the child's sake, I hope this is the case.

 

(And, regarding your question about where CPS was,  I can't recall if the child actually tried to commit suicide, or whether she just made the statement that she wanted to die. Either way, it's so sad. No child should ever feel such despair!) 

Reactive attachment disorder is a hard thing to live with - it would be hard not to get frustrated.  I feel bad for them all.

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:10 pm PDT

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To me it all seems to be kinda normal because a child will always be more obedient to one parent than the other and mostly always give one parent a harder time than the other, but because of Alex's disabilities the whole situation is ten times worst on Cyndi. I do believe they need some serious help perhaps at home because I do agree with Ulis and his dedication to his son. A compromise is what I would do. Get the help the family needs but keep Alex at home.
So much depends on what insurance and finances allow.  Mom CANT keep doing this. 
She needs to be able to get away for a good portion of the day so she can actually enjoy her son like Dad does.  It is easier to love someone when you arent wiping up feces every time you turn around  (that only works when they are babies) and putting your back out lifting them up and down the stairs.  I think physical exhastion is causing a lot of the emotional exhastion.
 
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August 19, 2008, 9:17 pm PDT

She described how she would do it

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Well, you bring up some good points.

 

I still maintain, though, that none of us knows what's in  this woman's heart, and that if she didn't care about this child she would not have come on the show seeking help. She must have some kind of a glimmer of hope for a good outcome....and, for the child's sake, I hope this is the case.

 

(And, regarding your question about where CPS was,  I can't recall if the child actually tried to commit suicide, or whether she just made the statement that she wanted to die. Either way, it's so sad. No child should ever feel such despair!) 

I understood from what was said that there was a suicide threat...and when asked, she said she'd do it with this huge knife and fall into it, but she didn't actually try it..not yet.  She was in the hospital 4 days after saying it, I suppose for evaluation, then released.  With the social workers in hospitals, and the doctors, I'm very shocked that some intervention wasn't given through CPS.  You are so right that a child should NOT be feeling such despair.  I don't get why therapy was not mandated...I'm afraid she may one day just do something to herself. 

Maybe if the family accepts the help that was offered, there will be the glimmer of hope...sure hope so for that child. 

You are not wrong in saying we cannot know what was in the mother's heart...I just got some really bad vibes about the whole situation.

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:18 pm PDT

I agree!

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I'll bet that you will be blasted by a lot of people regarding your daughter's choice to get an abortion...there's sure to be lots of Bible thumping from those on this message boards.....but, here's my personal opinion, for what it's worth: I am a Christian and I am not  pro abortion...but, I am pro choice. I do not believe that abortion should be a method of birth control...but that's not what your daughter did, from what you've said.

 

I don't know that I would have made the same choice....but, I don't know that I wouldn't have, either.

 

The bottom line is this:

I think that each woman who chooses to have an abortion has to deal with the consequences, whatever they may be, both in this world, and when they have to face God...and I think that everyone  ought to butt out of that terribly personal decision! 

 

Your body, your choice....your consequences.

 

 

I feel exactly the same way as you do on this subject! Exactly!!!!!! I too am a Christian, I am not pro abortion, but I am pro choice. I also do not think that abortion should be used as a means of birth control. That is a very passionate topic for me! But there are certain circumstances where this is very much needed, in my opinion. And every woman should have the right to do what is best for her and her situation. I know that I do not want that right to be taken away from me. I feel this mother made the choice that was right for her and her unborn child and that is her business. It is in fact a very personal decision to make and no one should have a right to make accusations in any way. I do hope that she can deal with the guilt and begin to heal. This had to have been a very difficult choice for her to make.

 

If this law were to ever be banned, that would be criminal!

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:25 pm PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:29 pm PDT

Just one point..............

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I am a nurse who has worked with mentally retarded people all of my adult life. I know this episode is a rerun because I remember seeing it before. However, this time it's REALLY made me angry. Alex's mother is ridiculous. Instead of whining about how hard life is with a MR/DD child, why don't you look into the resources in your area designed to help families of persons with MR/DD INSTEAD of contacting Dr. Phil and making him do it for you??? This is 2008, and there are thousands of organizations in our country whose sole purpose is to assist MR/DD clients in acheiving the best quality of life possible. This mother actually sat on the stage and cried saying it's sooooooo hard to teach "these kids" to communicate and blah blah blah. Yes... it IS difficult. A lot of what I've done with this population has involved teaching. The key is consistancy... just like with a very young child. You have to work with what the person has, not what they lack. I have worked with people much bigger, much more dangerous, and much more low-functioning than this boy. It's not impossible.

 

And lady... how DARE you say that if you knew Alex was going to have Down Syndrome, you wouldn't have had him!!!! That's a horrible thing to say about your own child and Down individuals. Most people who are Down are much more high-functioning than Alex. I know some truly AWESOME Down individuals! How can you predict when a doctor says the fetus will be Down what degree of functioning they will be born with?? A lot of individuals with Down are able to hold jobs in the community and even get married and have their own families.  Alex's mom clearly doesn't deserve him. What a horrible person.

 

And Dr Phil was going on and on about "institutionalizing" this kid. My question to you, DR PHIL, is that if you are seriously a doctor of (what is it?) psychology, why are you unaware that when John F Kennedy was in the White House one of the major things he did was to begin DEINSTITUTIONALIZING people???? People aren't "institutionalized" anymore. Please get with the times, Dr.

I just want to make one small point. Are you aware that when John Kennedy was President that he had a sister that was in fact institutionalized? The Kennedy's kept her there from a very young age until she passed away. I find it sad that in those days people hid there handi-capped children away because it was considered shameful.
 
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August 19, 2008, 9:33 pm PDT

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I've worked with special needs adults, children & teens. The main thing they need is clear, strong guidance in a peaceful setting. It would be ideal to have an advocate/special needs worker from the time the child is first diagnosed but when that does't happen, the parents have to get help from the community/schools. I worked with a boy who had severe Autism. He was 6 years old & still in diapers. His father told me "He aint' never gonna learn nothin'"  His mother was in tears. 

 

I asked the special needs teacher if I (an aide) could take this boy to a quiet room every day. She agreed b/c his behavior was distracting the other children, who were not as severely Autistic (etc.). So this boy & I spent the first 20 min. of each school day in a quiet room with little light. The flourescent lights off, just a little light from the blinds.  I would sit without saying a word while he ran around, yelling & flapping his arms.

 

After his 20 min. of flapping his arms, screaming, flopping on the floor, I would take one stuffed animal & say what it was "Zebra, Zebra" I'd look at him and say his name, then the animal's name. After 2 weeks, I could point to the toy box & say "Zebra" and the boy would go & get the Zebra.  This also worked with the AB Cs.  I used the cut-out wooden 3D ABCs, pick one up and say "A" & later, "Show me the A"  He was able to focus & do it. 

 

In the bathroom, I'd show him how to pull down his own "Pull Up" diapers.  I'd say very few words like "pants down. pull up down. sit on toilet. Good!" (frequent praise)  Too much noise, too many words really confuses & upsets people with Autism.  After 6 weeks, he was urinating by himself, like any 6 year old boy.  HIs parents were in shock  I realize that this method took incredible patience & repetition. 

 

It was only possible b/c the school system where I live (in Colorado--not a wealthy town) had a summer school program for special needs children.  The teacher was amazing & brilliant (as was the teacher in the high school where I worked during the regular school year).  I think the government should suport these kinds of programs all over the USA.  Each & every parent of a special child (whether Down, Autism, Bipolar, Schitzophrenic, physically disadvantaged) should get counseling & education on how to work with their child.  There should be programs where parents can take their children for at least 2 hours/day. 

 

The parents need a break from the kids & the kids need a break from the parents.  It's such a lit fuse situation, all the screaming & kicking etc. but I can tell you that because I didn't have to go home to that, I had the patience to work with that severely disturbed little boy for 4 hours, 5 days a week for an entire summer.  He left that program out of diapers, able to point to each letter of the alphabet, show us each animal (Zebra, Giraffe, Elephant & etc.).  He could point, in a book, every color, shape & numbers 1-10.  I only wish his parents could have participated in this program but that wasn't an option.  His mother was very kind but felt no hope until the end of the summer.  His father simply did not believe he could learn anything.  He was overjoyed---but this type of learning & care has to be Ongoing. 

 

There are some good institutions for severely disturbed children/adults but there are also terribly understaffed ones.  Go to social services & ask for help.  If you are a church member, ask your pastor/priest where programs are, drop-in services, etc.  There is help & you can have hope even for the most severely Autistic/Down children. 

How wonderful that Colorado has someone like you who can truly make a difference in such a child's life as the one you describe.

Too bad his father was so obviously ignorant and uneducated....even a normal child would have had a rough time learning anything in that setting!

 

Good luck and continued success!

 
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August 19, 2008, 9:35 pm PDT

Alex's Mom

 As mother to a child with multiple disabilities who's 'been there, done that', I can definitely relate to everything Cyndi is going through. And until a person has actually parented a child with disabilities, they shouldn't judge someone who does, no matter how terrible the 'someone' seems.

My son has Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS, an umbrella term for behavioral disorders, including Autism), Refractory Seizure Disorder (a progressive, severe type of Epilepsy), Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and Personality Change due to Seizure Disorder. Over the past 13 years, his overall IQ has dropped 30 points, which his doctors blame on the unknown, underlying cause of his seizure disorder and the unrelenting, uncontrolled seizures and the brain damage they've caused. Needless to say, he's not to blame for any of it, but he does still have to learn to live in the same world as the rest of us, whether it's at home or in an institution. My choice for him is at home, if at all possible.

Between the ages of 3-9, his behavior was horribly unsafe. Typical everyday occurrences included hurting himself and those around him, screaming, crying, inappropriate uncontrollable laughing fits (for instance, when his sister cried because he hit her in the face with a toy truck, or when he was spanked), door-slamming, jumping on moving vehicles in parking lots, climbing on top of our house, sneaking out in the middle of the night while I slept, the list goes on and on. The worst things: stabbing his sister in the arm with a fork at the dinner table, putting our kittens in the microwave, throwing chairs at me, swinging a baseball bat at strangers during his sister's softball practice, hitting his own head on the table or wall when he was mad, etc. I made him sleep in my room at night to keep an eye on him after I'd caught him in the backyard alone, at 3 am (age 5). I had to put a lock on my daughter's door to make her feel safe, and couldn't blame her one bit. She was 3 yrs. older, but she was scared of her little brother, for good reason. One night I found him in her room, just watching her sleep. I never told her about that, just put the lock on her door the next day.

I did have some help: we had a good pediatric psychiatrist and a therapist who both specialized in kids with his type of disabilities. I had home health care to come in and stay with him after school til I got off work. I lost more than one nurse aide who quit because she was scared of him, and admitted it to me. The school finally asked me to pick him up at 9am, because they couldn't handle him longer than 1 hr. per day. There were several emergency admits to the local rehab hospital, which was 50 miles away. It didn't help, except to give me and my daughter a respite for a few days.

Even through all that, when everyone else - family included-wanted me to give up on him and "put him away", I couldn't do it. Insitutions were cold, stark, neglectful and abusive. And I felt like that would mean I was a failure as his mother; I was all he had. Finally, his psychiatrist told me about a rehab hospital for brain-injured children at Austin, TX, and I agreed to try it. It was the absolute hardest thing I'd ever done, to leave my disabled 9-yr. old son alone in a strange place with strangers so far away that I could only visit him every few weeks. I was a divorced mom of two, living on waitress wages and child support in northwestern Arkansas. But I did it, and it was the best possible thing I could've done for my family.

After 4 months of inpatient treatment at the facility, he was discharged home, and I was scared to death that he wasn't ready, and that I wasn't. He emerged a totally different little boy - more like MY little boy that I once knew a very long time ago. He'd learned the difference between safe and unsafe behaviors, and much more than that. Long story short, he is a true, real success story. The horrible behaviors have never returned, he is now 18 and just graduated high school. He still has seizures; he underwent brain surgery one year ago, which helped immensely. He still has to take heavy doses of anti-seizure meds and one behavior med, which mainly helps with his OCD and impulse control.

He is now participating in a sheltered work program for people with disabilities and lives at home, where he wants to live. He's sweet-natured and gentle enough to play with my grandbabies, even. Of course, I remind myself every day that the bad behaviors can return at any time, as is typical of his disorders. But now I know there's something we can do about it.  And I know now that I never 'gave up on him', just because I placed him in a long-term inpatient program. It probably saved his life.
And all my 'critics' - ex-husband, mother, family members, friends, etc., agree with me.

I honestly hope that Cyndi takes the help she's been offered for Alex; both for his and her family's sake. they obviously all need it.

thanks,
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