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(Original Air Dare: 03/25/08) Motherhood isn't always about the good times, like baking brownies and having game night with the family. Dr. Phil talks to women who say they can’t cope with their children, and they’re running out of resources. Robyn adopted her 10-year-old daughter, Alyssa, six years ago from the Ukraine and says she actually has thoughts of sending the girl back. Robyn says that Alyssa hasn’t bonded with her and doesn’t know how to love anyone. She says her daughter screams, cries, yells and even threatened to kill herself! Robyn’s husband, Joe, can’t imagine living without his adoptive daughter and intends to stand by his commitment to the child. What's the real reason Robyn never bonded with Alyssa? Then, Cyndi says if she’d known her 12-year-old son, Alex, had autism and Down syndrome, she may not have brought him into the world. She says he hits himself, screams, grunts at the top of his lungs and wears two pairs of diapers at a time because he’s not potty trained. Her husband, Ulis, says he doesn’t find it difficult to care for Alex, but Cyndi says she’s exhausted and overwhelmed. Should the boy be institutionalized? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks. Plus, meet a mom with four kids who’s already left home twice. Now she’s scared she may leave again — this time for good. Talk about the show here.

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August 20, 2008, 9:43 pm PDT

Let's be cautious with words

I'm saddened to read the harsh comments and name calling as a response to this show. I have been living with a  RAD child who also has Fetal Alcohol Effects for 17 years, and it's an agonizing journey I never could have imagined if I hadn't lived it. I have a Masters in special ed.and have worked with families like Cindy's. Many have chastised them for their feelings which is really unfair because none of us should compare our pain to someone else's.

 

What all of this tells me is that we as a society are uneducated about RAD and many would rather complain or boast about their own situation, than try to understand the crisis of someone else's. Several people said they'd take the poor child, but who is saying, "I'll reach out to the mom who is in need of emotional healing and respite." I would hope that what we could learn from this is that communities, organizations, churches, etc. need to recognize when a person is at a breaking point and offer respite and help rather than criticism and judgement.

 

Robin and Cindy, from one mom to another, I am praying for you and hearing your desperation and pain. I hope you'll be able to forgive the horrible things that have been said about you by those who've not walked in your shoes. They know not that they know not. I pray those in your community will reach out to you and help you heal emotionally, as well as physically, and I pray God will give you and your husbands wisdom to care for and make healthy decisions for the children I KNOW you so love.

 

There's no way any of us can understand based on 15 or 20 minutes of air time what you endure 24/7 for years on end. As a mom who has sacrificed much and now have health problems from such severe stress, I encourage you to ask for help and as much as possible, take care of yourself physically and emotionally. If I knew how to reach you, I'd buy both of you a relaxing day at the spa complete with full body massage. In the meantime, let the hubbies take the kids, and try to relax in a great bubble bath!

 

Love in Christ,

Deb

www.parentingadopteescantrust.com

 
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August 21, 2008, 12:10 am PDT

CYNDI, DON'T FEEL GUILTY OR BAD...

CYNDI, as a retired Speech Pathologist who worked with children like your son, I understand your feelings. Many families are irreparably broken by the struggles of raising a severely handicapped child. It is to your credit, and your husband's, that you are both still together! I think there is a time in the life of every severely handicapped child that parents must ask themselves if being raised at home is what is best for the child or not. OFTEN the child simply becomes unmanageable for parents as he grows bigger. Your son will always be dependent and the awful truth is the nature of the handicap can sap the life/joy out of every family member, usually starting with mom. Your daughter is affected, probably both negatively and positively. Does your husband consider the negative effects on your daughter in his stand against out-of-home placement for your son? He obviously has not considered the negative effects on you. YOU are not a bad mother! You are a heroic mother. I do not think your husband understands your daily reality. I believe keeping your son home is wrong for him and for you, at this time. Get professional advice and research some alternatives for an immediate respite from being the primary caregiver and also the possibiIities for a residential placement. You need and dessrve a break, at the least! I think you and your daughter should take a month's vacation and let your husband care for your son 24/7 for  a whole month by himself.  Let's see if he is more understanding of your desperation and exhaustion afterward.
 
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August 21, 2008, 6:15 am PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

So much sympathy for the parents and what they go though, but none for the children,.as if Alex likes being carried when he can walk. have you stopped to ask why is she carring him. does it benifit him when she does or does it benifit her to get him to point A to point B faster??? He uses picture books but when she wants him to move does she try to use them. I didn't see no picture books being used to help him understand what she wants out of him, I'm sure that the school uses them to get him to do what they want him to do. I'm sure the school is not picking up the boy and moving him to the next place they want him. thats would most likey hurt to pick up a 100 something pound boy under the arms  pain to him and to the person doing it.

 

The child with RAD, well lets think what it must be like to be her, and then think of what it is to be the mother of this child, which is easier??? The mother is the only one that has not made a connection with this child. so the child is making connections just not the connection that the mother wants. sounds to me thats the mother problem and she not getting what she wants.

 

I felt the same way the first time I seen the show, but when I watched it the second time I started to  really watch what they where saying, and I heard alot of I's and me's and no what can I do to make our lifes better. child and familys lifes better.

So I hope the Doc helps these familys out, so the kids can get the treatment they need, and the mothers can get the break they need, and learn what they need to do to make it work for the family as a hole.

 
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August 21, 2008, 6:37 am PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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CYNDI, as a retired Speech Pathologist who worked with children like your son, I understand your feelings. Many families are irreparably broken by the struggles of raising a severely handicapped child. It is to your credit, and your husband's, that you are both still together! I think there is a time in the life of every severely handicapped child that parents must ask themselves if being raised at home is what is best for the child or not. OFTEN the child simply becomes unmanageable for parents as he grows bigger. Your son will always be dependent and the awful truth is the nature of the handicap can sap the life/joy out of every family member, usually starting with mom. Your daughter is affected, probably both negatively and positively. Does your husband consider the negative effects on your daughter in his stand against out-of-home placement for your son? He obviously has not considered the negative effects on you. YOU are not a bad mother! You are a heroic mother. I do not think your husband understands your daily reality. I believe keeping your son home is wrong for him and for you, at this time. Get professional advice and research some alternatives for an immediate respite from being the primary caregiver and also the possibiIities for a residential placement. You need and dessrve a break, at the least! I think you and your daughter should take a month's vacation and let your husband care for your son 24/7 for  a whole month by himself.  Let's see if he is more understanding of your desperation and exhaustion afterward.
I think Alex is the one that needs the break, He needs someone to teach him to live up to his protential, and just not drag him place to place. Alex needs behavioral management from someone and sense he is not being taught at home , he need to be place where they are going to work towards goals for Him. and not excepting the bad behavior because it is easier to pick him up then  teach him to do.
 
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August 21, 2008, 7:00 am PDT

08/19 Tired of Being a Mom

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CYNDI, as a retired Speech Pathologist who worked with children like your son, I understand your feelings. Many families are irreparably broken by the struggles of raising a severely handicapped child. It is to your credit, and your husband's, that you are both still together! I think there is a time in the life of every severely handicapped child that parents must ask themselves if being raised at home is what is best for the child or not. OFTEN the child simply becomes unmanageable for parents as he grows bigger. Your son will always be dependent and the awful truth is the nature of the handicap can sap the life/joy out of every family member, usually starting with mom. Your daughter is affected, probably both negatively and positively. Does your husband consider the negative effects on your daughter in his stand against out-of-home placement for your son? He obviously has not considered the negative effects on you. YOU are not a bad mother! You are a heroic mother. I do not think your husband understands your daily reality. I believe keeping your son home is wrong for him and for you, at this time. Get professional advice and research some alternatives for an immediate respite from being the primary caregiver and also the possibiIities for a residential placement. You need and dessrve a break, at the least! I think you and your daughter should take a month's vacation and let your husband care for your son 24/7 for  a whole month by himself.  Let's see if he is more understanding of your desperation and exhaustion afterward.
Amen sister! And ditto for Robin!
 
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August 21, 2008, 9:03 am PDT

I hear you!

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I too adopted 2 children from Ukraine that were 18 mo old at the time.  We have been home for nearly 5 1/2 years now and they will turn 7 next month.  I love these kids and they can be so loving, but I am basically a single mom due to my husband deciding that money is more important than our family.  During the past 5 years, we have discovered that both children have sensory integration disorder, needed speech therapy, physical therapy, and occupational therapy.  In the past 3 years we have also needed lots of psychological help for my son too.  He has alcohol related neurodevelopmental disorder, and are now testing for asperbers syndrome.  He would throw these rages that would wear out any normal person to a frazzle.  We drive 2 hours from home to get the psychological help he needs because no one in our area knows what to do to help.  I am so tired just from driving.  When we put them into preschool thinking they could use social skills and get friends, I received calls constantly for the past 3 years about things my son was doing that went against the rules, or against their grain in general. This year (kindergarten) we placed him in a school for kids with special needs (for a mere $12,000 a year), but there hasn't been one phone call complaining about anything he does.  I have to drive 23 miles each way to get him there.  They love him there.  There is a 2:1 student teacher ratio and they know how to handle him.  It has been a blessing in deed.  In the process I feel like he has needed so much that I don't give my daughter of the same age what she needs.  They have basically been twins and don't know what to do when they aren't with the other one.  So this has been very hard on her.  She is getting rebellious now because "he gets all of the attention". 

 

I am so exhausted and now being tested for narcolepsy because I can fall asleep at the drop of a hat. 

 

I just want to make sure that we are doing the right things for my kids.  I have done everything if it was available to me.  I feel lost a lot because no one ever seems to know what to do to really find out what our problems are.  But at the same time I am so tired I get angered very easily, and feel like I am complaining all the time.  My husband just thinks things are fine and doesn't understand why I feel so stressed.  That angers me as well.  I always have to run our household plans as if my husband isn't home.  I can't depend on him for any of the appointments or to watch the children while I leave.  I have to get sitters for nearly everything that I can't take them to.

 

Our community has many children from Ukraine and there are many of us in the same situation now.  Mainly after the children are becoming on school age.  The people who adopted the older kids had an idea of the behaviors, but thinking we were getting younger ones we thought we would be getting them early enough that we wouldn't have them.  But we have definitely found otherwise.  We have started a local online support group just so we can lean on each other.  That has been nice, but of course not the answer to all of our issues. 

 

I will share with them this story being on the air.  Maybe we can learn something new.  We just feel like our resources are exhausted.  I wish there was a body scan that we could do to tell us what we have and need to do for it.  If it could just be that simple.

 

Connie, KY

Mom to 2 Ukrainian children

To Robyn and Connie

When I saw Robyn talking about her  adopted daughter, I felt as though I was looking in the mirror of myself. I too have an adopted daughter from Kazakstan at the age of 4. She is now 11 years old and

I too have struggled.  I so appreciate your honesty as to how you felt.  Because the way you truly feel isn't something you can openly say it to anyone without feeling like a monster of a mother . When I saw you on Dr. Phil show my heart went out to you! I know how you feel! I have been there and it has been a long journey for me as well.  Whatever the reason, these challenging children are placed in our lives through the grace of God. I do believe everything happens for a reason and those reasons are bigger than all of us.

Connie, I hope you are finding a way to get a break for yourself.  I found that when I am stressed and resenful, I can't be an effective parent and wife.  As a mother we are the mood setters and the glue that holds family together.  That in it itself is an enormous responsibility without taking on the challenge we are faced with.  Hang in there and take time out for your self!!

Robyn, I hope to hear from you as well. You are the reason that I reached out to a professional for help.

I thank you for having the courage to stand tall on the national T.V  and say what lot of us are feeling and afraid to say.  God bless you and all the struggling mothers mothers out there!

Diane Raynes

 
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August 21, 2008, 10:14 am PDT

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Thank you for your reply. My daughter prayed and tried to talk to her Pastor and  Church friends about her problem with this decision. She is a very loving and sensitive mother . She has 2 young daughters now age 7 and 9 years old and naturally need most of her attention. She is the type of mother that gets very sad and anxious when one of the girls get hurt or sick and a lot of time feels guilty that maybe she could have prevented it. My daughter and son in law wanted one more child and were very excited when they found out that Emma  ( our angel in heaven )  was coming. The Dr. monitored the pregnancy for signs of Downs Syndrome I guess because my daughter was 38 yrs. old. things were going along nicely until the Dr. did a sonogram and waited a week and did another one, it showed little Emmas head circumference  had a lot of fluid  and a lot larger than earlier sonogram. This was very sad and scarey time for them. The Dr. suggested for her to have an amniocentesis test done, the results from that test showed there was several abnormalities. She was very upset and that is when she tried to talk to her Pastor and friends from church. they didn't want to hear anything about abortion. So she prayed to God to forgive her. She got the abortion and for the only reason was she was afraid of bringing Emma into the world knowing she may suffer or have to live her life with a lot of difficulty and pain and maybe die at an early age. The Dr. had a long talk with her about her fears of going thru with the pregnancy. She decided to have the abortion and she felt very guilty and asked God for forgiveness. I honestly believe if she brought Emma into this world she would not be able to cope with the guilt of knowing she could have prevented it. I believe if some people know that there child will be born abnormal and have the pain and difficulty of living a happy life I think they should have the right without ridicule to stop the pregnancy at that earliest time. We personally do not believe in abortion, but in some circumstances I think it is for the best and I know there are mothers out there that has gone thru with what my daughter has gone thru. We all still morn for Emma ( our little Angel in heaven ) and always will.

Thank You for listening

Emma's Grandma

If she hasn't already done so, could you try to convince your daughter to speak to a non-denominational therapist?  I realize that people of religion DO turn to their spiritual leaders in times of crisis, but if the Church is anti-abortion, it is almost a conflict of interest for a Pastor to help her. 

I am not affilliated with any conventional religion, but  am a spirtitual person.  I believe that ordained Priests and Ministers...Rabbis as well, have to make certain vows to uphold the teachings of their religion, so no matter what is deep inside of them, they owe allegiance, first, to their Church.

Your daughter needs support, and she is getting this from her wonderful Mom...so maybe give a little push to encourage her to see someone who will be there for HER...someone who can HEAR HER, not be bound by any other doctrine.  We all like to confide in our friends, as we see them as our support group...pretty sad to lose them, when they are most needed.

Try to get her to see a GOOD woman therapist.  You can check credentials from the State's Licensing Board.  Sometimes we need help outside of our network, and I believe it would help your daughter if she had this type of secular therapy.  In no way will her religion be questioned, but it will not be a factor in giving her the help she really needs to overcome her guilt.

Good luck, and blessings to Emma.

Kathy

 
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August 21, 2008, 10:34 am PDT

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For the women who think they have been given a raw deal in life because their "own" life is too difficult to handle, please read what I have written in the post above. I'm really, really, surprised that no one else in this position has thought to bring this up. This is heartbreak in it's truest form.

I read your post and I cannot begin to imagine the pain.  For your husband to have seen that had to be forever life changing.

8 years ago, again, too much unrelated detail for this board, I lost my relationship with my oldest daughter...nothing she did, nothing I did...but choices had to be made, sides were taken about a very serious matter.  I learned that she has two little girls and I have never seen them.  99% chance, I never will.  I thought that was the worst thing imaginable, but when I think of your step son, I know THAT is something I could not handle.

We all live with ourselves, and cannot often see beyond our own sufferings...sometimes hearing of a tragedy such as yours is an eye opener.  If I had to choose beween the two of us, I'll take mine.  If I had a free choice, I'd take my life back, and give you yours as well.  Since that is out of our control, I'd rather she be alive and well than God forbid, dead.  It's a very different kind of suffering, one I wouldn't wish on anyone. 

 
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August 21, 2008, 12:22 pm PDT

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So much sympathy for the parents and what they go though, but none for the children,.as if Alex likes being carried when he can walk. have you stopped to ask why is she carring him. does it benifit him when she does or does it benifit her to get him to point A to point B faster??? He uses picture books but when she wants him to move does she try to use them. I didn't see no picture books being used to help him understand what she wants out of him, I'm sure that the school uses them to get him to do what they want him to do. I'm sure the school is not picking up the boy and moving him to the next place they want him. thats would most likey hurt to pick up a 100 something pound boy under the arms  pain to him and to the person doing it.

 

The child with RAD, well lets think what it must be like to be her, and then think of what it is to be the mother of this child, which is easier??? The mother is the only one that has not made a connection with this child. so the child is making connections just not the connection that the mother wants. sounds to me thats the mother problem and she not getting what she wants.

 

I felt the same way the first time I seen the show, but when I watched it the second time I started to  really watch what they where saying, and I heard alot of I's and me's and no what can I do to make our lifes better. child and familys lifes better.

So I hope the Doc helps these familys out, so the kids can get the treatment they need, and the mothers can get the break they need, and learn what they need to do to make it work for the family as a hole.

 i am a mother of 2 handicapped boys one is 27 now and he still lives with me and the other passed away when he was 21. i do not know where that mother was coming from because it was always me doing god's work every day. i have learned more from being there mother than i would have ever learned if they would have been ok. it is not easy sometimes but i have lots of patience and she did not. i hope they do put alex somewhere he can be taught and they can work with her to learn how to work with him.
 
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August 21, 2008, 2:27 pm PDT

Thank you, Kathleen!

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I read your post and I cannot begin to imagine the pain.  For your husband to have seen that had to be forever life changing.

8 years ago, again, too much unrelated detail for this board, I lost my relationship with my oldest daughter...nothing she did, nothing I did...but choices had to be made, sides were taken about a very serious matter.  I learned that she has two little girls and I have never seen them.  99% chance, I never will.  I thought that was the worst thing imaginable, but when I think of your step son, I know THAT is something I could not handle.

We all live with ourselves, and cannot often see beyond our own sufferings...sometimes hearing of a tragedy such as yours is an eye opener.  If I had to choose beween the two of us, I'll take mine.  If I had a free choice, I'd take my life back, and give you yours as well.  Since that is out of our control, I'd rather she be alive and well than God forbid, dead.  It's a very different kind of suffering, one I wouldn't wish on anyone. 

Thank you very much for the kind post. Your post brought tears to my eyes. It has been 20 years and it still feels like it was yesterday. If I'm still this heartbroken, I can't begin to imagine how my husband feels. I wouldn't wish this on anyone either, no matter what.
 
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