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Brutal assaults, violent outbursts and death threats -- not the behavior you would expect from your spouse. But what if the person who's supposed to love, honor and cherish you becomes the person you fear the most? Dr. Phil's guests say they know what it's like to live with a ticking time bomb who could snap at any moment. Jaycee says the man she married was a calm gentleman who never raised his voice. When his controlling ways became apparent just months into the marriage, she became suspicious but never expected him to hunt her down, shoot her and leave her for dead. Her ex-husband is now behind bars, but why does Jaycee still fear him? Jaycee's three children were traumatized when their mother was gunned down and still worry for her safety. What does Dr. Phil implore her to do in order to heal her family? Then, Keri says she's been beaten and choked by her husband, Henry. She says she fears dying by his hands, so why has she taken him back numerous times? Henry admits he's pushed his wife around but says Keri always strikes the first blow. He wants to reconcile with her, but are they ready to live under the same roof? Talk about the show here.

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March 31, 2008, 3:59 pm PDT

Right on!

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 I'm watching the show today and I see Dr. Phil talking to the women about being abused. I wished he would do a show about the abuse that happens to men. I for one have been abused by my soon to be ex-wife.I have brought it to her attention on several occasions but she says I don't hit you, its true she didn't hit me but she variably abused me. With threats of leaving me; hidding my things; and trying to make my friends not want to be around me. She threaten me for the last time just last week by leaving me 14 voice mails with in an hour; telling me that I had 5 min to get home or I was the one that was going to be hurt. Calling me a MFer stupid dumb ass and a F---er. These are just some of the examples of what she says to me. I am not going to say that I haven't defended my self by yelling and screaming yes I have lost my temper; but enough is enough I went to file a Domestic Violence Potion agents her and I was in away laughed at because I was a man asking for one against a woman. I have to say I'm 5'11" 280lbs and she is 5' 1" 110lbs. But I protested the fact; "That if a woman was standing here telling you the same thing it would be different wouldn't it"; and the order was awarded. I would love to see a show done on the abuse that men also receive. Thank you
 I am a guy who was sexually abused in grade one by a student in grade5.  I was sexually harrassed by an authority who was to oversee my functions as a volunteer who was himself GAY. I was sexually exploited by a female nurse the last time I was in the hospital because of the Hospital gown I was obliged to wear  was way too short for me at six feet seven inches in a verbal way. In the latter case I went to the news paper in the area. I learned that "alledged" sexual assault is committed against women but not against guys. The journalist does not know the meaning of the word "alledged" and thus, unlike women who make page 1 with their com[plaints the guys are left on the desk to collect dust even though the laws on this subject protect both genders equally. I''ve come to the point that hetrosexuality is for me a very stressful orientation for  abovementionned reasons and for many nonmentionned ones and  I need to go to a GAY bar  to get away from the stress  of hetrosexual relating  every so often just to relax and unwind. For me love is like having a driver's licence. I never had a driver's licence and have grown to prefer the alternative!      
 
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March 31, 2008, 4:29 pm PDT

03/31 Bruised and Battered

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What absolutely infuriated me with Kari and Henry was the smirk on his stupid, ugly face. Didn't you just want to jump through that TV and throttle him?

The "good ol' boy" attitude. She sits there looking exhausted, beaten down and hopeless and he sits there with that grin.

 

On the other side of that coin is this: she keeps going back for more, to the point where she's in danger of getting her kids taken away from her if she goes back one more time....and that's as it should be. If a mother is stupid and weak enough to ignore the severe and permanent damage being done to her children, then someone else has to step in and get those kids out of there. Her excuse was that she needed sex. Good God! Is his the only swingin' d**k available in the U.S.? 

 

My question is why would you even want any man near you who abused you like this jerk has?

Agreed.  Especially when he grinned and said "All I did was empty the gun behind hr back, and the sound freaked her out."  Hello, ......Dr. Phil????  Where are you?

 

Dissapointed that Dr. Phil didn't wipe the smile off him and address the issue.

 

 
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March 31, 2008, 4:48 pm PDT

I just don't get it.

I am a 38 year old man.  During my lifetime, I have been punched, slapped, pushed, and had things thrown at me by women.  Times I have reacted?  0!  I have never put my hands on a woman no matter what they do to me.  I can walk away, or if needed, restrain them without hurting them.  I just don't get what's wrong with these cowards.  Any any man reading this who's ever hit a woman, that's what you are; a coward.  Any man who thinks he's tough because he can beat a woman, come to my house and see me.  On the other hand, why do the women stay?  I don't get that either.  Many say they are afraid to leave.  I get that.  But there are so many organizations that will help them get away.  Use those resources.  Living in a shelter might suck, but it's better than getting beaten.
 
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March 31, 2008, 5:07 pm PDT

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Dr.Phil-

      Todays show was very interesting to myself.I have been involved in a terribly abusive relationship with a woman who i love dearly.I was the abuser,and am seeking help, but have no clue where to get it,nor the means to do it.I cannot stand the pain i have caused my exgirlfriend and it is a battle daily to deal with it..My life has been marred with drugs and alchohol,but by no means do i blame that for my actions.I want to stand up and get some help here so i am writing this message.I was watching the show today and it could have been me on that stage.Your advice was a clear message to me that i need help and cant figure this out on my own.I have never admitted that i was an abuser,but your show has clearly pointed it out.I have been drug/alchohol free since february 18th.I thought that if i just stopped the drugs and stayed away from my ex that i could fix this.I realize now after the show that there is much more to why i did what i did.The anger i experience while under the influence of drugs is horrendous when provoked.I am truly sickened by what i have done and the pain i caused the woman i said that i loved.So i guess that i am looking for some help and maybe resources to obtain the kind of help i need.I was arrested for the assault and am currently awaiting court case.But more importantly then that i am trying to reach out for help and just find myself running into red-tape.I have been dubbed a monster, yet i will continue to seek the help i know that i need..I would appreciate any help you could provide me.

 
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March 31, 2008, 5:09 pm PDT

The laws do NOT work, weather it is a female or male victim!

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Moments before turning on the TV to watch this show, I had just arrived home from the police station.  Once again, I sat and begged the Lieutenant to file the charges for a violation of a restraining order.  The batterer had someone else call me with vile threats.  He has carried out these threats before.  I have had the restraining order for over a year and an half, and he has violated it over 12 times.  Each and every time he calculated these efforts ahead of time to violate in a way in which it cannot be proven.  When we do bring the charges, we lose the case.  When we don't, the violation feels twice as bad, because the police won't even try. 

 

Today, I told the police Lieutenant that I thought he had some kind of surveilance in my house.  The lieutenant was totally dismissive-- "he is not smart enough, he cant do that, its complicate to "bug" (sarcastic tone) a house"  was his response.   At the end of the conversation, I asked him who I might call if I wanted to have my house checked for surveilance.  "I don"t know,  secret squirrel"  was his reply. 

 

Moments later I hear your guest say that her batterer had a GPS device on her car.

 

Put down.   Dismissed.  Mde fun of in tone, attitude, and then even in words.  When I talk to the chief, she defends her men to the death:  They take domestic violence very very seriously....."

Ya, right.  When the police won't file the charges, when the judges dismiss the charges because the batterer  lies and lies on the stand - every woman that has had any experience with the laws knows that they are a farce.  And I live in the state with the strongest domestic violence laws in the nation!

 

 

 

Every place that I have turned to, I have been made to feel like I am a participant in the abuse.

I called the batterer's probation officer and told him the story, and his response was "You two have to stop contacting eachother."  I answered:  NO, sir, you do NOT understand.  I would not ever contact this man.  This is not a back-and-forth  thing.  This is an evil evil evil man that is trying to destroy my life." 

 

How much clearer must one be? 

 

WOMEN EITHER DO NOT TAKE ACTION OR SECOND GUESS THEIR DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE A PARTICIPANT, OR ARE EXAGGERATING, OR ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG. 

 

THE LAW DOES NOT WORK.  THE LAW CANNOT PROTECT A BATTERED WOMAN, BUT THE POLICE HIDE BEHIND DOING EVERYTHING BY THE LAW. 

 

I did get one thing from this show.  I have been insistent on documenting every situation, even if the police will not file the charges.  One of your guests mentioned the felony stalking law. I am quite sure that it has no teeth, because all of these violations would probably have to be convictions, but I am going to check in to it. 

 

The irony is that I don't care if he gets punished, I just want him to stay away from me.  He gets angered by my filing the charges, but if he would just stay away, he wouldn't have to deal with the police or the courts!!

 

I am afraid for my safety.  I am afraid for my pet's safety.  I am afraid that he will destroy my career, because I work with children.  And no one can stop it.

 

I totally agree! We've been down this road with my parents and now my daughter, who's ex threateend to blow up a building AND had (and may still have) access to the explosives to do it and they still do not seem to do anything. The police in a neighboring town, ironically where the courthouse adn my daughter's activity genrally is, despite her calling them numerous times, as well as going to the station AND me calling them as well (I also have a restraining order (CRO, NOT a TRO or regular RO, as he went off the deep end with me as well!) The police do NOT take these matters seriously, and I think the reason may be that this is "OK" at many of their homes, as it seems to be a fairly well known fact in our area that there are those working in law enforcement (or so I am told) who abuse children, wives, husbands and so on... thus they don't see anything wrong with the abuse and craziness.

When I lived in the very town I am talking about, a woman was murdered because of lack of the poice dept.'s actions (this is well recorded) until a wman who moved down the street's  ex-husband waiting for his ex-wife (who BTW had a restraining order) and killed her date, had a standoff withpolice for about 2 hours (I STILL don't get why a sharpshooter didn't take him out) then he killed her then himself.  It changed not only the family's lives, but changed the entire neighborhood! I didn't know this woman, but I *do* know many of us left the neighborhood very soon afterwards, and as I stayed on longer, I saw that the people moving into the neighborhood were the same sort of people (a lot of drugs and abusers started moving in and we left after our lease was up as well as many other neighbors who left before we did!) Our once peaceful and nice neighborhood had turned into a haven for abusers and the like and from what I can tell, the place never did really recover. I will NEVER forget the gunshots that rang out that night, my friend, who lived behind this event on the next street, calling me asking at around 2am if they could come over, as there was someone shooting behind their house.

I can't even count the times my daughter's ex has broken the restaining order terms, AND come to the realization that he will likely not see more than the day or two he spent in jail. She's moved, changed her phone numbers, etc.

I would add one more VERY IMPORTANT item to the list of things to do when leaving an abuser...

DO NOT USE YOUR MEDICAL INSURANCE!!! (This is how this man found my daughter's address, phone number, etc. out at least once or twice, as the kids were on his insurnace!)

You'd think this guy would be put behind bars for a seriously long time. It took nearly a year for us to get to court and all they did was to give him probation, and the probation officer doesn't care, and apparently seem to have taken no action. We even contacted the licensing agency where he has/had his pyrotechnics license (the state fire marshall), and he called my daughter on her unlisted number to tell her that all he did was have a talk with him & he laughed about it.

VERY scary indeed... The laws need to change as well as adding penalties for law enforcement NOT taking action! (lawsuit only drain the money of tax payers - they don't do a thing for those affectec by abuse those affected by a killing, etc.) ANd certainly not the people who neglect to take action when this stuff is reported...

In our area, the judge and DA will not take a case if it doesn't come down through the police dept., who as I said before, generally will not even so much as take a report....

There needs to be a direct line of communication with the DA's office and the judge if the DA will not act, which they will often not do with even a CRO.

Felony? Who are you kidding? I've decided I have had to take my own action to protect myself, my daughter and grnadkids. Take up target shooting at a local range!
 
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March 31, 2008, 5:13 pm PDT

some will never understand

To those of you complaining about the same old story, it is a sad fact of life that both men and women have to deal with this. Sometimes it takes the repetition of a story to help someone to see clearly. When you are in the position of being abused sometimes it is extremely difficult to see that there is a better world out there no matter how good of support you have from family and friends. I know alto of individuals hesitate to get out these relationships but it is one of those things that is very hard to understand until you experience it for yourself. I pray you never have too.
 
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March 31, 2008, 5:34 pm PDT

Keep airing these shows!~!

 These shows are lifesavers! I am so thankful to have the info accessable on Dr Phil's site. Anyone in an abusive situation, both male or female, can be encouraged by these kinds of shows. I hope these kinds of shows are aired at least 2 times a year...you never know someone in an abusive situation could just turn on the tv and be helped.

I don't think victims should be 'dogged' for staying in the rel so long. Men and women who are abused have varying reasons for staying. You don't "just wake up and get out" all the time. Some people do but some don't. It took me 17 years to realize that my ex was not going to change, that he would always abuse because he never ever showed any change even though his words said he would. I was raised to believe people, etc. It took me a long time and other people telling me things like by me staying in the situation, my kids were learning that it was okay to accept abuse. I never saw that until that person said that to me...I thought I was being strong and a "good Christian" by staying and dealing with the abuse. Once I realized how my kids were seeing things, I got out. I also never thought of going to a women's shelter for help until someone mentioned it to me. I think abused people spend so much energy trying to survive and/or change their situation that they might not have energy left to find options out there. That is why shows like this could save lives!!!!!! 

We are not taught in school or anywhere what abuse is and what to do if we are being abused. I wish schools and faith places would teach kids and s what abuse is exactly and how to deal with it....how to take care of yourself and how to get out of abusive relationships. Why don't schools teach kids about abuse and how to deal with it like bullying (verbal as well as physical!!) and teens about date abuse, and engaged couples about all the kinds of abuse, etc.

This show has encouraged me, I am in the middle of getting out with my 2 kids...thank you Dr Phil for airing shows "like this"....please do so every now and then!!  Lives are in the balance! Some people, men and women in abusive relationships, just might need the information on your shows to help them take a step toward an abuse free life. So Thank you with all that is in me! God Bless you! And I plan on using some of your info for my current situation! I can't tell you enough how encouraged I am today! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

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March 31, 2008, 5:34 pm PDT

What are you thinking???

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What absolutely infuriated me with Kari and Henry was the smirk on his stupid, ugly face. Didn't you just want to jump through that TV and throttle him?

The "good ol' boy" attitude. She sits there looking exhausted, beaten down and hopeless and he sits there with that grin.

 

On the other side of that coin is this: she keeps going back for more, to the point where she's in danger of getting her kids taken away from her if she goes back one more time....and that's as it should be. If a mother is stupid and weak enough to ignore the severe and permanent damage being done to her children, then someone else has to step in and get those kids out of there. Her excuse was that she needed sex. Good God! Is his the only swingin' d**k available in the U.S.? 

 

My question is why would you even want any man near you who abused you like this jerk has?

My thoughts exactly.  I wouldn't even call this jerk a man, a snake is more like it and that's too good.  Kari looked like she was in another world.  This girl really doesn't look like she is in her right mind.  Anyone that would go to bed with this jerk after what he had done just because she needed sex  really isn't in her right mind.  Talk about needing help, Kari take all the help Dr.Phil can give you because God knows you really need it, not only for your sake but your children.
 
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March 31, 2008, 6:38 pm PDT

emotional wreck

i too am in a abusive relationship with no way out i have a 17 yr old child from a previous marriage and he flat refused toi leave so i will have to take the abuse till he gets 18 i have talked to everyone i know they all tell me it ant in his best interest to be forced to leave his family and friends that i need to just wait it out but i dont know how much more i can take any ideas childrens services has told me i need to keep him in a staible home and it ant a good idea to just pick up and leave when he has a stable roof over his head now
 
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March 31, 2008, 6:50 pm PDT

03/31 Bruised and Battered

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I left my husband, of 6 weeks,after a domestic abuse situation. He caused 3 bones in my left foot to be broken. From that injury I developed Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome(RSDS). Because of this complication, I am currentlynot able to work. In the meantime, my husband accepted a plea bargain with the State Attorney's office. He is currently still working at his job making $17.52 per hour. I am living on welfare, making $205 per month. That is $205 PER MONTH!!! I would have the world at my fingertips if I stayed in the relationship but chose safety first. Please tell me why he is not responsible for giving me acceptable housing and living expenses since it is because of his actions thatI am trying to survive well below the poverty level.

I cannot believe the statement you made: 'I would have the world at my fingertips if I stayed in the relationship but chose safety first.' Are you kidding me?? Just what kind of 'world' do you think you would have had? Not much of a world six feet under! That statement just tells me you were looking for an easy way out of having to support yourself and would rather take a beating than have to work.

 

As for 'not being able to work'....come on. There are lots of jobs you can do sitting down; don't use your injury as an excuse. You don't HAVE to live on welfare!

 

As for why he's not responsible for giving you housing and living expenses, it's because you were only married for 6 weeks!

 

Did you not see what he was like BEFORE you married him? Once again, girls: marry in haste, repent in leisure.

 
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