Topic : 08/14 Hitting Rock Bottom

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(Original Air Date: 04/02/08) Is your life in the ditch, and you can’t see a way out of the quagmire? Dr. Phil's guests say they've lost money and careers, and now they fear losing their family. Lisa says she feels betrayed because her estranged husband, Anthony, is leading a double life. She says Anthony had a great career as an accountant, but was secretly gambling their money away. Now he’s jobless, homeless and living in their minivan, which is about to be repossessed. Anthony invited the Dr. Phil cameras along to capture his life on the streets, and you won’t believe where he winds up at the end of the day! Anthony says he knows his gambling addiction is out of control and says he wants to be back home with his wife and four kids. Can he cash in his chips for good, or will his addiction cost him his family? Then, Shauna says her life is unbearable. She and her husband, Kevin, have filed for bankruptcy, the IRS is knocking at their door, and they’re taking care of a terminally ill son. Shauna says Kevin’s heavy drinking only adds to the chaos, but Kevin doesn’t think he has a problem. Is Shauna overreacting, or is Kevin an alcoholic in denial? Can this marriage be saved? Tell us what you think.

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August 14, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

08/14 Hitting Rock Bottom

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Maybe Dr Phil was afraid Anthony would gamble away any "help"him. But, there was no sense on giving Kevin help, either. Kevin was in such denial about his alcoholism that any help would be wasted on him. If Dr Phil felt sorry for Shauna and her terminally ill son, he should've helped them apart from Kevin.

its probably got a lot to do with whether a guest shows Dr Phil he wants help or not, yes addictions go hand in hand no matter what the addiction is, but you cant make a person change and I'm sure Dr Phil will live up to his word and help the gambler if he is willing to help him self, i feel for all the guests on this show, all addictions are hard to overcome,no matter what it may be. i honestly think maybe Dr Phil saw something in the amblers eyes we did not see or maybe heard him thinking in a way only Dr Phil would be able to hear through eye contact and body language,
 
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August 14, 2008, 8:09 am PDT

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I don't think Kevin has hit rock bottom yet. When he does I hope that he gets the help he needs. He should be spinding time with his wife and son instead of going out and drinking.
i kind of think it cant get any closer to rock bottom than to know your child is dieing and Thar isn't a thing you nor any doctor can do to save the child, but you are 100% correct Kevin isn't helping his situation by going out drinking, i just know i thank god i have never had to walk any steps in Kevin's shoes, i too may have taken to drinking  even tho it wasn't doing any good for any one. this mans and woman's life makes me feel just how blessed i am to have a healthy child to hold and love, i wish they had been so blessed, this is a hard thing to understand,
 
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August 14, 2008, 8:20 am PDT

Addiction--Get Out!

After watching today's show, I just wanted to say that Anthony's gambling addiction is a serious problem, and that he is nowhere near close to changing.  Basically, I would say to the wife -- GET OUT!  I have worked with addicts for years, and "hitting rock bottom" does not necessarily make an addict change.  The consequences have to outweigh the benefits of the addiction, and to some people, losing family, money, or suffering legal consequences is not enough.  Addicts like Anthony, rationalize their behavior and discount the hurt they've caused to avoid responsibility and continue their addiction.  I like how Dr. Phil did not offer Anthony resources, because even with all the external help in the world, Anthony will only change and beat the addiction permanently without his own internal commitment.  This may be harsh and hard to hear, but I have seen this time and time again.  As for Shauna and their family, there may be hope.  But Shauna minimized her husband's behavior, which serves as an enabling mechanism for him.  I just wish people could move past the first stage of Kohlberg's moral reasoning.  It seems as humanity, we are losing our ability to stand up for what's right.  How can we be so cowardly to let something take control of us?  Talk about feeling out of control.  Even though many addicts begin their treacherous journey because they feel like they're out of control, they lose even more when the addiction takes over.  OK--one last thing--don't believe an addict's words because they mean nothing.  You have to let them make the choice about whether or not they want to change.  And unfortunately, we all know that people really don't change that much.  When Dr. Phil asks, "How's it working for you?", many addicts will say its not, but their addiction serves some sort of purpose for them, even though externally it looks as though their life has fallen apart.  As long as the addiction continues to serve the same purpose, whether consciously or subconsciously, it will continue.

 
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August 14, 2008, 8:25 am PDT

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I TOO AM AT ROCK BOTTOM. They say that once you're there there's nowhere else to go but up.I have begged and begged some more for help but there is no hope for me. My mother passed away this past New Years Eve after having a stroke two days before Christmas. I'm disabled and have NOWHERE to go! I have to leave my home because her attorney said that in her will she made it clear she didn't want me living here! No one here can help me so I've been reaching out to Dr. Phil, Oprah,Montel and anyone else that you can send e-mails to! I have NO ONE! I guess this should teach me a lesson! Don't give up everything you have for your "family" because in the end it's just you that's left!
it seems by your post that you are in a lot of heart ache over your decision to be their for your mother, I'm here for mine and i can assure you when her time to go to her reward comes, i will not regret and decision i made, if i end up on the streets it wont be for long, a willing spirit can over come a lot of loops life can throw at you, don't just give in and up as it seems you are doing , bad feelings over what has happened only clogs your mind from finding the rite solution to your problem. if you are disabled their is help out there for you, your just not looking in the rite places for it, as to whear to look try the dds-family and childrens services,ssi disibality, some one will assist you.
 
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August 14, 2008, 9:18 am PDT

Hitting Rock Bottom

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I grew up with an alcoholic father (bless his soul, may he rest in peace), and I married a man with a drinking problem (he has been sober since October 2007), and now the best man at our wedding is struggling with alcohol.  He's only 43 and he's in complete denial.  He was in the hospital because of a alcohol related seizure that almost killed him.  He was in rehab for 30 days, and then was supposed to be in outpatient rehab, which he doesn't seem to think he needs.  Half of his friends told him not to come around anymore if he drinks, the other half (including me) are trying to save him one day at a time.  His parents can't afford to pick up his tab anymore and they are sick about what has happened to him.  He doesn't seem to want to stop drinking and I fear for his life, or someone else's if he gets behind the wheel and has another seizure, or he's just plain drunk.  I'm trying to send him encouraging messages every day to ask him to be strong and believe in himself.  After the first 4 days he called me every morning, but has since stopped communicating.  Word has it he's drinking by himself all day.  He's a professional chef who's trying to find a job.  He has two young sons (who live in Switzerland with their mom), and my friend lives in the states.  I try to appeal to his love for those boys to get him thru this, but I'm afraid nothing is getting thru to him.  I couldn't save my dad from himself, I'm still with my husband because I think if I wasn't, he'd be in the same place our friend is, but I can't get thru to my dear friend.  My tolerance level has shrunk considerably after dealing with this crap most of my life.  I thought my friend hit rock bottom when he was in the hospital shaking from withdrawals and mumbling, with all his friends and family seeing that.  Apparently I was wrong.  I think I'm going to send a copy of the preview of this show to him so that maybe he'll watch, or I'll show up on his doorstep and we'll watch together.   I look forward to seeing this show.
I too, grew up with an alcoholic father and had no idea as a young person what effect his alcoholism would have on our entire family.  I have a son (46  yrs old) who is drinking himself to death.  Literally, he is going to die soon if something doesn't change in his life.  I picked him up on Easter Sunday of this year after not hearing from him in months.  I knew his wife had made him leave home because of his drinking and he was living alone in a trailer.   Several of his friends (really drinking buddies) called to tell me we needed to do something as he was about dead.  He had not had a drink in 3 weeks at that time but was so debilitated he could hardly stand so he agreed to go to the doctor.  I carried him to the emergency room and they admitted him to ICU.  He was in kidney failure, was anemic, had stomach ulcers, and had a horrible lesion on his tongue extending down his throat.  They put him through every imaginable test and got him back on his feet.  Sent him home and in a month's time he was drinking again.  Drinks every day to the point of collapse.  Answers yes to every question on the alcoholic quiz but will not agree to go to any kind of treatment facility or back to a doctor.  What do you do?  He has 2 daughters, one grown and one only 8 yrs old.  He loves his children dearly but cannot or will not stop drinking.
 
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August 14, 2008, 9:20 am PDT

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I don't think Kevin has hit rock bottom yet. When he does I hope that he gets the help he needs. He should be spinding time with his wife and son instead of going out and drinking.
its time for him to be strong and drinking is only making him weak.
 
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August 14, 2008, 10:46 am PDT

Gambling Addiction

That man has clearly hit rock bottom and my sincere wishes go out to his wife and children. I couldn't help but have a "self pity" laugh as I watched. I recently found out that my husband is a compulsive gambler, has been for over 3 years and as I went back through statement after statement, (some of which I had to get online since he was destroying them so I wouldn't find them) to date, I've uncovered 9 new credit cards and over $150,000 in gambling debt.  I'm sure if I looked harder and further back, it's closer to $250,000. He took so many advances on our home equity loan that they have closed the line and we're now upside down on our home. Why am I still here you ask? I moved across country to be with him, I'm a stay at home mom, but other than HIS family, I have no family here, no where to go. He works in a "commission only" job and I know him all too well, if I ask him to leave or file for divorce he'll simply stop working and I'll lose the house. He's going to "counseling" but believe me, I have learned a lot about this addiction and it's not an easy one to stop. He sees a counselor once every 2 weeks for an hour, clearly not enough. Gamblers are manipulative, charming, deceitful, and kniving. It is almost impossible to ever trust a gambler again, I know I won't make that mistake. Anyone reading who has a spouse that goes to a casino regularly, please be aware!!! If your spouse takes care of all the bills please remember they're your bills too, make sure you look over the statements ea. month. If your spouse has been getting the mail, try to get it before them, they quite frequently take out the credit card offers, apply for them without your knowledge and have the statements sent to their work address or a friends house. If they get special offers, free slot play, tickets, etc... from the casino, don't be fooled! They are most likely considered a "high roller" at the casino and casino's go to great lengths to protect their high rollers. I KNOW my husband has a line of credit still open and outstanding at a casino but he flat out denies it and they won't give me any information about it, of course, until that time he defaults on it, then I'll find out the ugly truth. And if your spouse stops going to the casino, that is NOT A CURE! There are plenty of online gambling sites and there's always the old fashioned way, which I also know my husband is utilizing, a bookie. Recent research indicates that compulsive gamblers may suffer from ADD, ADHD, Manic Depression, or Bi-Polar disorders. They also, have most likely, dealt with other addicitions in their life as well, such as drugs or alcohol. Gamblers are sooooooo good at being deceitful and dishonest, if ANY OF THIS APPLIES TO YOU, take measures to protect yourself; establish your own bank account for your own money, do not make them a signator on the account, monitor your credit report 3 times a year by going to www.annualcreditreport.com and obtaining only 1 agency at a time, each year. Hide valuable items or place them in a safe deposit box that your spouse doesn't have access too, believe me, desperate times will call for desperate measures and they will resort to stealing if they need to. If you do uncover a gambling problem, please contact your local gamblers annonymous organization, they're there to help you as much as the gambler.
 
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August 14, 2008, 12:43 pm PDT

Shauna & Kevin

Shauna & Kevin
I'm so sorry that things are so hard for you. You are in my thoughts & please stay strong. I hope you are both able to enjoy the rest of the time you have with your son. Take care.
~Amber
 

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August 14, 2008, 1:09 pm PDT

IS THE GAMBLER AN IMMIGRANT?

Regarding the Anthony  guest, i have a sneaking suspicion that he is an African immigrant and he has probably alienated himself from his family because they would put him in check. I detected an underlying accent. If he  is an african immigrant, ask him to reflect on why he came to this country, the land of the free and the home of the brave. That is America! Remember when you had a dollar and big dreams! and that is perhaps why he got an MBA. This nation gives unparalleled privileges and some, like gambling, you can do without. Heal yourself and it starts with the foundation. I have always thought gambling is about greed and an inner belief that the world owes free stuff. Rephrase and paraphrase that. He could probably do without ideology. Godspeed!
 
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August 14, 2008, 1:26 pm PDT

08/14 Hitting Rock Bottom

 About the man who wants to drink reality away, because of his ill son. I am sorry, but that is so selfish, he is drink to not deal with what his son lives with everyday. His son lives with this everyday and cannot drink to get away. Who are you to drink to get away and your the one whos supposed to help him deal. Coming from someone who just lost her son a year ago July 4th. Do to Spinal Muscular Atrophy ( SMA ). I didn't think about  myself one mintue of one day. I spent everyday like it was his last, making memories, letting him know I am not leaving him. I had no nurse when we were home, I done everything. I give my props  to the mom. My son Lovell's dad told me that he was not his, cause SMA didn't run in his family, and he had other kids that were just fine. Well my other kids are ok too. And this was a shock to me too, cause up till that moment of his diagnose, I didn't know I am a SMA carrier, and so is he, but he don't know, cause of his hard head. So at that point I told him I didn't want to share my time, to kill over for all I care, and never talk to him again. I hope he realizes it before he has no time to spend with his son. That poor pittyful me crap does not work when reality is smacking you in the face.

 

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