Topic : 08/14 Hitting Rock Bottom

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(Original Air Date: 04/02/08) Is your life in the ditch, and you can’t see a way out of the quagmire? Dr. Phil's guests say they've lost money and careers, and now they fear losing their family. Lisa says she feels betrayed because her estranged husband, Anthony, is leading a double life. She says Anthony had a great career as an accountant, but was secretly gambling their money away. Now he’s jobless, homeless and living in their minivan, which is about to be repossessed. Anthony invited the Dr. Phil cameras along to capture his life on the streets, and you won’t believe where he winds up at the end of the day! Anthony says he knows his gambling addiction is out of control and says he wants to be back home with his wife and four kids. Can he cash in his chips for good, or will his addiction cost him his family? Then, Shauna says her life is unbearable. She and her husband, Kevin, have filed for bankruptcy, the IRS is knocking at their door, and they’re taking care of a terminally ill son. Shauna says Kevin’s heavy drinking only adds to the chaos, but Kevin doesn’t think he has a problem. Is Shauna overreacting, or is Kevin an alcoholic in denial? Can this marriage be saved? Tell us what you think.

Find out what happened on the show.


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August 14, 2008, 2:09 pm PDT

Sounds like you've given up already

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I TOO AM AT ROCK BOTTOM. They say that once you're there there's nowhere else to go but up.I have begged and begged some more for help but there is no hope for me. My mother passed away this past New Years Eve after having a stroke two days before Christmas. I'm disabled and have NOWHERE to go! I have to leave my home because her attorney said that in her will she made it clear she didn't want me living here! No one here can help me so I've been reaching out to Dr. Phil, Oprah,Montel and anyone else that you can send e-mails to! I have NO ONE! I guess this should teach me a lesson! Don't give up everything you have for your "family" because in the end it's just you that's left!
Dr. Phil, Oprah and  Montel aren't going to be able to help you.  You  need to pick you head up and stop  feeling sorry for yourself.  You are the only one that can help you.  I've had a history of drug use and when I decided to stop feeling sorry for myself and start taking action by finding ways to stay clean (which include AA and NA meetings), was I able to stay clean.  A lot of people have NO ONE for one reason or another.  Until you make that decision, NO ONE is going to help you.  Try and take another approach by looking for the positive in life instead of the negative.  Every problem in life, with the willingness and right attitude, will resolve itself.

Good Luck to YOU!
 
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August 14, 2008, 2:14 pm PDT

08/14 Hitting Rock Bottom

I'm reading posts by people who thing Dr. Phil was too harsh with the gambler vs. the drinker.  I don't understand why people think they should get the same treatment.  Two different addictions and two different situations warrent two different approaches imo.

 

Honestly, I can understand drinking when you are faced with a tragedy better than I can understand gambling the home out from underneath your own family for no good reason.  Perhaps Dr. Phil understood that the sick child needed his parent in the home for the last bit of his life, while the gambler was contributing nothing towards his children and was essentially capable of taking the food off of their plates for gambling money.

 
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August 14, 2008, 3:42 pm PDT

I can understand her point!

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Dr. Phil, Oprah and  Montel aren't going to be able to help you.  You  need to pick you head up and stop  feeling sorry for yourself.  You are the only one that can help you.  I've had a history of drug use and when I decided to stop feeling sorry for myself and start taking action by finding ways to stay clean (which include AA and NA meetings), was I able to stay clean.  A lot of people have NO ONE for one reason or another.  Until you make that decision, NO ONE is going to help you.  Try and take another approach by looking for the positive in life instead of the negative.  Every problem in life, with the willingness and right attitude, will resolve itself.

Good Luck to YOU!

Did you happen to notice that she mentioned that she is disabled? Well, I happen to be disabled also. First of all, when that happens to you and you are no longer able to work and support yourself, you are put at a great disadvantage. I am making preparations in case my husband happens to pass before I do. Since he is 16 years older than I am it's a likelihood that I really don't like to think about but sometimes I have to. I have to plan. That means that I have to make sure that there is enough life insurance to take care of me, among other things. And on top of everything, when you are disabled it tends to cause depression. They go hand in hand. Your life has changed, believe me, it's easy to feel the need to give up sometimes. I'm really happy to learn of your sobriety but to be honest, there is a difference between the two.

 

If I don't plan out my future, I have no idea what I would do. "Itsme" is apparently in that situation. There isn't much in the way of government assistance for people who are disabled. They will not provide us with a place to live, unless it's a shelter of some sort. All we get is a small disability check that would never be able to cover our living expenses in todays times.

 

I know that you are trying to send a positive message but coming from someone who knows how hard it would be, I totally understand her fear and her feelings of already having given up. Even though I am not facing what she is, I still have my husbands income and a fairly nice life, I want to give up almost on a daily basis because I just can't take it anymore. It's hard to explain. I would have to tell the entire story for you to know where I am coming from.

 

I'm just trying to explain a little here and to let you know that it's not as easy as it sounds. I'm not trying to be confrontational, truly I'm not, so please don't misunderstand. It's just that "I get it"! As I said I'm really happy for you but to be honest, not every problem in life can be resolved with a positive attitude. Sometimes there are just no options available.

 

 

 

 

 
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August 14, 2008, 4:00 pm PDT

Disabilty.........................

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it seems by your post that you are in a lot of heart ache over your decision to be their for your mother, I'm here for mine and i can assure you when her time to go to her reward comes, i will not regret and decision i made, if i end up on the streets it wont be for long, a willing spirit can over come a lot of loops life can throw at you, don't just give in and up as it seems you are doing , bad feelings over what has happened only clogs your mind from finding the rite solution to your problem. if you are disabled their is help out there for you, your just not looking in the rite places for it, as to whear to look try the dds-family and childrens services,ssi disibality, some one will assist you.
When you are disabled it is not as easy as you may think. You obviously can't work, hence the disability, and there are NO government programs to provide housing for people with this problem. You can be as strong as an oak tree and still wind up on the street. If you are not disabled and don't know about the system, then you will never be able to understand. If it were that easy, then why are there so many families living on the street, in their cars, and in shelters just because the parents lost their jobs when the factories closed down? And they are strong and healthy! I may sound like a wet blanket, and I want "itsme" to have a secure and happy life, but it's just not as easy as you think.
 
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August 14, 2008, 4:01 pm PDT

08/14 Hitting Rock Bottom

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That man has clearly hit rock bottom and my sincere wishes go out to his wife and children. I couldn't help but have a "self pity" laugh as I watched. I recently found out that my husband is a compulsive gambler, has been for over 3 years and as I went back through statement after statement, (some of which I had to get online since he was destroying them so I wouldn't find them) to date, I've uncovered 9 new credit cards and over $150,000 in gambling debt.  I'm sure if I looked harder and further back, it's closer to $250,000. He took so many advances on our home equity loan that they have closed the line and we're now upside down on our home. Why am I still here you ask? I moved across country to be with him, I'm a stay at home mom, but other than HIS family, I have no family here, no where to go. He works in a "commission only" job and I know him all too well, if I ask him to leave or file for divorce he'll simply stop working and I'll lose the house. He's going to "counseling" but believe me, I have learned a lot about this addiction and it's not an easy one to stop. He sees a counselor once every 2 weeks for an hour, clearly not enough. Gamblers are manipulative, charming, deceitful, and kniving. It is almost impossible to ever trust a gambler again, I know I won't make that mistake. Anyone reading who has a spouse that goes to a casino regularly, please be aware!!! If your spouse takes care of all the bills please remember they're your bills too, make sure you look over the statements ea. month. If your spouse has been getting the mail, try to get it before them, they quite frequently take out the credit card offers, apply for them without your knowledge and have the statements sent to their work address or a friends house. If they get special offers, free slot play, tickets, etc... from the casino, don't be fooled! They are most likely considered a "high roller" at the casino and casino's go to great lengths to protect their high rollers. I KNOW my husband has a line of credit still open and outstanding at a casino but he flat out denies it and they won't give me any information about it, of course, until that time he defaults on it, then I'll find out the ugly truth. And if your spouse stops going to the casino, that is NOT A CURE! There are plenty of online gambling sites and there's always the old fashioned way, which I also know my husband is utilizing, a bookie. Recent research indicates that compulsive gamblers may suffer from ADD, ADHD, Manic Depression, or Bi-Polar disorders. They also, have most likely, dealt with other addicitions in their life as well, such as drugs or alcohol. Gamblers are sooooooo good at being deceitful and dishonest, if ANY OF THIS APPLIES TO YOU, take measures to protect yourself; establish your own bank account for your own money, do not make them a signator on the account, monitor your credit report 3 times a year by going to www.annualcreditreport.com and obtaining only 1 agency at a time, each year. Hide valuable items or place them in a safe deposit box that your spouse doesn't have access too, believe me, desperate times will call for desperate measures and they will resort to stealing if they need to. If you do uncover a gambling problem, please contact your local gamblers annonymous organization, they're there to help you as much as the gambler.
I wish you the best of luck!
 
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August 14, 2008, 4:33 pm PDT

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I TOO AM AT ROCK BOTTOM. They say that once you're there there's nowhere else to go but up.I have begged and begged some more for help but there is no hope for me. My mother passed away this past New Years Eve after having a stroke two days before Christmas. I'm disabled and have NOWHERE to go! I have to leave my home because her attorney said that in her will she made it clear she didn't want me living here! No one here can help me so I've been reaching out to Dr. Phil, Oprah,Montel and anyone else that you can send e-mails to! I have NO ONE! I guess this should teach me a lesson! Don't give up everything you have for your "family" because in the end it's just you that's left!
I hit the bottom from crack..and have been in recovery for 5 years now. Let me tell you though if you really want it, you can do it. No its not an easy road but it does get easier after time goes by. Im not totally convinced that Anthony even gives a you know what..however this was taped in March...Hopefully Lisa got her child and they both RAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN like the dickens from Anthony. The arrogance of that man sitting there thinking and saying he doesnt have a problem is irritating. Okay maybe for some people it is very hard to deal with life..but I can tell you from experience. Life is a lot easier  whe your clean than when you are using and if you  want it bad enough then you will stop makeing  excuses. I f you do want it and you get your act together, its true people places and things all react differently and have different meanings. I dont always have money..but because Im in recovery I pay my bills on time and I dont have to worry about being broke on a Friday night . I have people around me who want to be with  me for no reason except the fact that Im who I am now. And because I dont waste my money on drugs, every other payday for me is Disneyland Day and I can go out when I please. I have my Masters in Global Marketing and cant be prouder about it. My clean life is gonna get me somewhere with that also I have no doubt.......D
 
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August 14, 2008, 4:41 pm PDT

8/14 Hitting Rock Bottom & Dr. Phil Comments

For the person with the gambling problem, I think Dr. Phil handled him quite well. The guy acted like he didn't have a problem to some degree, he didn't act as if he really wanted to be on the show to get help and he was obviously in denial.  He was a very smart man making very poor decisions in life. I agree that Dr. Phil wants him to make an effort on his own first to try to get help and change the situation. He should have taken those steps on his own long before now, he knows exactly what he's doing and seems to lazy to do anything about it.  I would have made the same decision as Dr. Phil. Show me some effort and I'll show you some help. If Dr. Phil could have done anything differently, he might have offered some help to the wife and daughter so they could have some resources to help them cope with the situation. The wife seemed weak and pretty much run down and the poor daughter, at her age shouldn't  be in such a high stress situation, poor thing. I hope the father wakes up and takes the steps towards help that were presented to him. He would be foolish not to!

 

As for the 2nd couple, God bless you both and your son! My heart and prayers go out to all of you!  I agree totally with Dr. Phil, his advise on this subject was superb!  Give everything you've got to that precious little boy while he is still on this earth!  I lost 2 babies shortly after birth and NEVER, NEVER even had more than a few hours to hold them in my arms!  You have this child and will have him god willing for a little more time, DON'T WASTE IT on self pitty. God only hands us what he thinks we can handle and if you handle it right, you'll be better people for it! Your son will look down upon you from heaven and think, "what great parents I had for my short time on earth, they really sacrificed themselves and loved ME"! I can only hope that my 2 babies in heaven think of me that way even though we were only together for a few hours!

 
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August 14, 2008, 4:45 pm PDT

Difficult to Understand

I'm a recovering compulsive gambler. I think unless you've been there, it's very difficult to understand. I know I behaved in ways I would never have dreamed of when I was into my addiction. I'm a good person... a teacher, and lover of children and people.  When I was in action, gambling took precedence over everything in my life, even though I absolutely loved my children and family. Sometimes I shake my own head when I recall how I placed my family's best interest behind my need to gamble. It's very sad.

I wish Dr. Phil would have shown a little more compassion for the gambler... like he does the alcoholics.  It too is an addiction that is very difficult to shake.  I agree that the guy had to at least admit his gambling before receiving help, but I gathered a feeling of judgment instead of the normal helping one to come to a realization of their addictions in Dr. Phil's questioning of how the guy put his gambling above his family.  Maybe it's harder to have compassion for an addiction that isn't obviously physical, as in the case of drugs and alcohol. Gambling addictions are just as powerful.  It still is an effect of behavior on the brain.  Please try to understand, Dr. Phil.

 
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August 14, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

Not just the men!

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When my husband died suddenly at 58 - I found out he was a compulsive gambler!  I knew he bought lottery tickets, but I had no idea, he had maxed out 10 credit cards!  (He had a Post Office box for his credit card bills) I had to pay for his debts - $30,000!  I think his guilty conscience contributed to his untimely death, as he knew eventually, I would find out about his addiction!  I was very angry when I found out about his gambling, as we could have done things together with that money!  He chose to throw it away, and had nothing to show for it!  I have become very anti-gambling, as I know first hand how it can take over your life, and you wouldn't even notice it!  I feel sorry for wives of gamblers, as it becomes their husband's mistress!
Yes, anyone who is married needs to be aware of the finances and what their spouse is up to so they don't wind up in the position that you are in, as well as the first wife on the show. But this doesn't exclude women. Women have gambling problems also. It goes both ways.Good luck!
 
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August 14, 2008, 5:07 pm PDT

I disagree with this...................

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I'm a recovering compulsive gambler. I think unless you've been there, it's very difficult to understand. I know I behaved in ways I would never have dreamed of when I was into my addiction. I'm a good person... a teacher, and lover of children and people.  When I was in action, gambling took precedence over everything in my life, even though I absolutely loved my children and family. Sometimes I shake my own head when I recall how I placed my family's best interest behind my need to gamble. It's very sad.

I wish Dr. Phil would have shown a little more compassion for the gambler... like he does the alcoholics.  It too is an addiction that is very difficult to shake.  I agree that the guy had to at least admit his gambling before receiving help, but I gathered a feeling of judgment instead of the normal helping one to come to a realization of their addictions in Dr. Phil's questioning of how the guy put his gambling above his family.  Maybe it's harder to have compassion for an addiction that isn't obviously physical, as in the case of drugs and alcohol. Gambling addictions are just as powerful.  It still is an effect of behavior on the brain.  Please try to understand, Dr. Phil.

Yes, Dr. Phil was harsh on the gambler but with good reason. This man won't even hold down a job. I happen to know someone who had a gambling addiction, he lost over $1,000,000.00 in Las Vegas in one year alone. Yet, he still kept working. Soon after this he found out that he had cancer. He finally took some time off of work to go through chemo and radiation and as soon as he was well enough, went straight back to work. He received help for his addiction and has never gambled since. The man on todays show denied that he had a problem, or actually "he doesn't have a problem any longer" as he put it. Dr. Phil basically told him to put his money where his mouth is. If he would admit that he has a problem, get a job, any job, and seek help on his own, then he would get him the counseling that he needs. He just wants to make sure that this man is hungry enough for it. I don't blame him! Dr. Phil grew up with addiction in his family and let's not forget, he is the one with the degree and the experience. I feel that he probably knows more than we do.
 

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