Topic : 08/01 Perfectionist Moms

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(Original Air Date: 04/03/08) Every parent believes his or her child is special – the best athlete, the best behaved or the most beautiful -- but for some moms, the pursuit of having the perfect child can turn into an obsession. Sonya says her 18-year-old daughter, Annie, was born perfect. The mom even went so far as to have her tubes tied right after giving birth so she could devote all her time to molding the perfect child! She started entering Annie in beauty pageants when she was 6 months old, and when the girl was 4, she made her watch reality medical shows so she would grow up to be a doctor. Annie regrets not having a normal childhood, and says she hated being pressured to succeed at such a young age. What’s behind Sonya’s obsession with perfection? Then, Cathy says she wants her 13-year-old daughter, Lexie, and her 18-year-old son, Nick, to be the best. Lexie says her mom hassles her about her weight and made her work out an hour a day at age 6! Nick says his mother drives his coaches crazy at sporting events by screaming and critiquing his game. Cathy says she’ll continue to badger and push her kids because she believes they’ll benefit in the long run. But will her controlling ways push her kids away? Share your views here.

Find out what happened on the show.


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April 4, 2008, 10:33 am PDT

I can't beileve this!!!

I can't beileve that the fist mother on the show was being really pushy to your daugther... It's her daugther life and chioces to make for her furture not yous lady!!!! I bet that you've NEVER!!  heard the preahse  nobodys perfect....  Get over it  and yourself !!!  I make choices for my self .... Sometimes they are good and other times they are bad.... Other then that my parents both helpsupport me in what I choose to do with my life... Like what college I wnet to and etc... So, get off your daughters back all the time... Let her fulfill hers dreams the way she wants to... Last leave the friends and dating up to her.....
 
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April 4, 2008, 11:18 am PDT

Is this a put on?

Is this a put on, perpetrated by a mother who is a pretty adept manipulator and a daughter willing to go along with it?

Like many jokes, this one probably has its basis in truth.

We should consider the possibility that Sonya and Annie are playing this whole thing up a bit.  The bad acting is a little easier to spot from that mother.  Annie's acting is a little better, being the theater star she is.


 
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April 4, 2008, 11:55 am PDT

my comment on perfectionist moms

My question is:  where is the father in this young lady's life?

 

Kathy

North Carolina

 
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April 4, 2008, 12:36 pm PDT

04/03 Perfectionist Moms

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Dr. Phil's suit, shirt and tie were outstanding.  Robin you know how to make your man look his best.  Thanks for tackling all the parenting battles.  We all need the knowledge.  I would love a show about aging parents.  I would love to know how to remain respectful without being walked all over.

What would make you think that network TV has the host's wife picking out her husbands clothes???  This ain't no BARN DANCE, baby!  National TV hosts have stylists to give them options of outfits to wear on the air.  Not their wives.  You said you want to "remain respectful without being walked all over"?  What is that about???  If someone wants to walk all over you, why would you be concerned with being respectful to THEM???  You need to move here to Manhattan for a while.  I am a native (born and raised in NYC -- Lower Manhattan)  We don't worry about being respectful to anyone -- esp to people who are dissing US!!!!
 
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April 4, 2008, 12:44 pm PDT

she DID NOT seem18

When the daughter said she was 18, I nearly  dropped my coffee on the kitchen floor.  That girl acted like she was 14, but that was not her fault.  It was because of all those years of her mother smothering and controlling her!  GOD FORBID when this girl goes out and finds a guy.  She is ripe for the picking for either an abusive/controlling husband, or a PIMP who will make her walk the streets.   Controlling parents are just GROOMING their kids to be with abusive controlling spouses or PIMPS.  If you don't want to make your kid into an abused adult, don't be a controlling parent!
 
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April 4, 2008, 1:01 pm PDT

perfectionist moms

I speak not just as someone who has experienced a perfectionist mom, but as someone who is still in a quite active situation.  I'm only halfway through college, so I'm in transition between being dependent on my parents and learning to support myself. 

 

I had a perfectly happy childhood--I could pursue and succeed at my own hobbies, I was naturally successful in school, and through that freedom I could choose to respect and connect with my parents.  Aside from displaying a strong will, I came off essentially as a "perfect child."  Then I started to grow up.  The bar continued to rise, and I was still, in the background, expected to achieve everything on my own.  I had difficulties transitioning into middle school, which became evident in my grades and my attitude to homework.  But when faced with this, my mom simply stated that we all knew I could do better.  I would face consequences if my grades were below a certain level (*disclaimer* there were no physical threats or anything legally questionable; i was faced with the typical no-tv, no-computer, no-friends-over, etc.).  The point was made.  I didn't want to face consequences regardless of what they were, so I made it my mission to show my best.  Within a year, I was making straight A's.  And all the while, the bar continued to rise.  By the end of high school, I would push myself beyond physical limits to be academically successful, because that's what it took to keep my hobbies.  Any problems I came across were a result of something I was doing wrong and needed to fix.  My most passionate activities (namely theatre) were not predictable enough to be a worthy career, in my mom's opinion.  Everything that I was starting to decide on my own was wrong somehow.

 

I'm honestly scared for Annie in particular, after some of what she said on the show.  "I'm always nervous" is a phrase that I've lived with for at least six years now.  Early this year, I was diagnosed with panic/anxiety disorder, and my counselor recommends that I get evaluated for ADHD.  Perfectionism is an issue I have to battle with in my own minset every day.  A parent who wants their child to live up to an image they have set forth doesn't just not allow for stumbling blocks that require real help.  Sometimes they can create them.  And once that child is out on their own those issues become a lot harder to combat.  I know, because I'm living it right now.

 
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April 4, 2008, 1:49 pm PDT

what is a successful child?

My 3 adult children are successful in my opinion.  They were happy, balanced children who grew up to be happy and balanced adults who are now rearing happy and balanced children.  That is a successful child to me.  I feel so sorry for this child.  She may be a "success" in her mother's eyes when she grows up, but let's pray she does not end up a suicide or depressed or having no self-esteem---no matter what she has achieved in her mother's terms of success.  No matter what she wins, there will be no self-esteem from it because she did not achieve it, her mother did.  She will be a shallow shell with no sense of who she is because she has not had to work on it (WHICH IS A LIFE TASK-----no parent can do that for a child, they have to be their to support their child as he/she sometimes succeeds and sometimes fails.  That is what being a parent is all about.
 
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April 4, 2008, 2:12 pm PDT

To NC Kathy

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My question is:  where is the father in this young lady's life?

 

Kathy

North Carolina

You got dat rite!  Unfortunately, I suspect that he bailed due to Sonya's control issues. One can only guess and hope that he did. Sonya, do you have the courage to respond?  Better yet, do you have the courage to admit you may have a problem?

 

Annie, run! If your Dad has divorced your Mom, go live with him and get centered again. Anything would be healthier than the standard to which you are being held by your Mom. 

 

And Dad, step up to the plate here and provide your child with some intervention and support. As another reader put it "Man up", for goodness sake!

 
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April 4, 2008, 4:32 pm PDT

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I am appalled at how these mother's treat their children.  I am the single mother of a 9 year old son and 5 year old daughter.  My only goal in life is that I hope that my children know that I did the best I could possibly do for them without interfering with what they want.  I have taught my kids from a young age that they have to try things out for themselves, but they know that if they need help, I am always there.  My children know that they are not perfect and I stress to them that I am not perfect either.  The one thing that did lead me to believe that I am raising my children the way I should is when my son was in a therapy session and he told his therapist and I that he thought that I WAS a perfect Mom.  That just made me so proud to know that I am doing something right. 
 
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April 4, 2008, 7:53 pm PDT

"Perfect children"

What exactly is the "perfect" child, when I heard that mother talk yesterday about wanting her daughter to be perfect because she was a gift from God.  Well, does that make kids who aren't perfect not a gift from God.  She talked about her wanting to get straight A's, wanting to date the football player, etc.  But what if your child doesn't or cant do those things.

 

I have 2 children, my girl is 5 and I think she is perfect, she is doing so good in her first year of school, she is polite, funny and a great child.  However, my definition of "perfect child" changed drastically when I had my son who is 2 1/2 years old.  My son was born at 24 weeks gestation which was 16 weeks early and was at the stage the doctors describe "threshold viability" which means he had a 50% chance of survival and if he did survive a 50% chance of major, life long disabilities.  He weighed 1 lb 8oz......there is no way to describe what 24 oz of your flesh and blood looks like lying in an incubator.  All of his major organs were at risk because they were so underdeveloped.  He spent 12 weeks in the NICU and almost died a few times.  I only got to hold him 4 times in his first 7 weeks of life and he was 7 days old before I even got to hold him at all.  Since he was born he has had 6 surgeries and been in the hospital numerous times.  When we left the NICU we were seeing 11 doctors, physical therapist, occupational therapists and speech therapists.  He has progressed beyond any doctors expectations and is doing wonderful, he still has some health issues (some mild hearing loss, eye problems, lung problems, we have issues with his skull but not his brain)  Developmentally he is doing what all boys his age do and all of his doctors are so proud. 

 

The reason I tell you all of that is because I certainly had to change my definition of a perfect child.  Two and half years down the road (2 million dollars in doctors bills, appx 5 months in the hospital, 6 surgeries and more doctors appointment that I could ever count)  I feel I have the "perfect child"  He may not make straight A's because of developmental delays and he may never be the star quarterback because of his health issues BUT he is my baby and he is my "gift from God", he is my miracle child because he was never even supposed to be here but because of our Heavenly Father's grace, the hard work of doctors, nurses, therapists and organizations that fight prematurity Eli is with us today.

 

We named him Eli because it means "Delivered" and reference the Bible Ps 50:15 - "Call on me in your day of trouble and I will deliver you and you will honor me"  

 

My definition of the "perfect child" has changed.  Both of my children are perfect, my daughter because she is thoughtful, loving, smart and funny and my son Eli, well he is perfect, just because he is here!

 

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