Topic : 08/01 Perfectionist Moms

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Created on : Friday, March 28, 2008, 02:30:21 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/03/08) Every parent believes his or her child is special – the best athlete, the best behaved or the most beautiful -- but for some moms, the pursuit of having the perfect child can turn into an obsession. Sonya says her 18-year-old daughter, Annie, was born perfect. The mom even went so far as to have her tubes tied right after giving birth so she could devote all her time to molding the perfect child! She started entering Annie in beauty pageants when she was 6 months old, and when the girl was 4, she made her watch reality medical shows so she would grow up to be a doctor. Annie regrets not having a normal childhood, and says she hated being pressured to succeed at such a young age. What’s behind Sonya’s obsession with perfection? Then, Cathy says she wants her 13-year-old daughter, Lexie, and her 18-year-old son, Nick, to be the best. Lexie says her mom hassles her about her weight and made her work out an hour a day at age 6! Nick says his mother drives his coaches crazy at sporting events by screaming and critiquing his game. Cathy says she’ll continue to badger and push her kids because she believes they’ll benefit in the long run. But will her controlling ways push her kids away? Share your views here.

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April 4, 2008, 11:42 pm PDT

its so easy

I wonder why the mother did not do what she expects her daughter to do.  I guess she didnt want to do the work involved.  Its a terrible thing to put that much pressure on her child because that poor child will never do enough to satisfy her mother and being a child who never satisfied my father  no matter how much I achieved, I still feel like I havent done enough.

 
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April 5, 2008, 7:39 am PDT

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I was very distressed when I watched the segment about Sonya and her daughter. When I was growing up, my parents gave me everything they ever wanted. They gave me everything they had ever wanted as children and the childhoods they never had. Unfortunately, these things had nothing to do with me -- no relevance or meaning for me and I grew up feeling like I didn't exist.

 

 My entire adult life has been a search for my SELF. Because my childhood was all about my parents and themselves, their desires, their wants, I never developed a sense or understanding of myself. It wasn't until the age of 38 that I was able to take my life into my hands and embark on a career that reflected who I really am. If you think that sounds like I'm a late bloomer, consider that my life only really started when I left home at the age of 20. After I left home, I had to raise myself, so that means I was "18" when I started my "real me" career.

 

 I'm begging Sonya to start to think of her job as allowing Annie to develop into the best Annie that she can be -- not some objectified ideal of a person. She gave birth to Annie and the world needs Annie -- as she is.

 
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April 5, 2008, 9:17 am PDT

Love her hair!

Think Mom needs to relax.

 

 She's a good kid and I would love to know who does her hair. Serioulsy. If your staff could send me a front/sides/and back photo of her hair I would love to have my hairdresser copy it. I love the retro look!

 

But on a seroius note, I'm a Mom and you have to let them fail and if they do it's OK.  No matter what happens. Pregnant/got someone pregnant/flunked school/got fired/got in trouble. You give them the tools and cross your fingers. Just be there, isn't that what we all want?

 
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April 5, 2008, 10:00 am PDT

04/03 Perfectionist Moms

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I watched the perfectionst Moms show from my daughters hospital room.  I was appalled at the way these mothers were treating their children.  I have five children and my twelve year old daughter has been battling cancer for the last year and a half.  Because of this she can't run or jump, and she is completely bald.  She will never be a sports star, and probably won't win a beauty contest, but to my husband and I she could not be more perfect.  The Moms on the show need to appreciate their kids and cherish every day they have with them.  Would they be able to handle it if one of their kids had a life threatening illness?  I don't think so.  One Mom said she had her tubes tied so that she could concentrate on raising one perfect child.  I really feel sorry for that Mom, you don't realize what you are missing.  I have five wonderful children, no, they are not perfect, but they are my pride and joy.  Right now I am praying that my daughter gets to live, and these Moms are praying that their kids win beauty contests and ball games.   You need to appreciate your kids for who they are and not try to make them what YOU want them to be.  You should just want them to be happy and healthy.

My heart grieves with you over your daughters battle, I had a premature son who was born weighing 1 lb 8oz, he has several difficulties at 3 years old but is doing wonderful.  I wonder so often what these mothers are thinking, if they ever had a truly sick child their definition of perfection would definately change.  We didn't do the beauty pagents or won't do the music lessons, sports lessons, pushing so hard for perfect grades.  We spend our time going back and forth to the hospital praying daily to the Father for our child to live.  We go to doctors on top of doctors, we deal with home health equipment, tubes wires, etc coming out of our child.......I don't say this to get pity, I say this to remind everyone that all children are a gift from God and if you have a healthy child, by all means be an involved, caring parent, BUT don't forget that  there are children who are "perfect" because they make it another day and the parents who are battling to get them there. 

 

My heart and prayers go out to you and your daughter my sweet sister, keep the faith!!!!!

 
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April 5, 2008, 10:30 am PDT

The Pressure to be Perfect

That young lady has a lot of pressure on her.  If our moms tied their tubes and invested their whole life into creating the perfect child how would we feel?  It is written all over that girl's face that she does not want to let her mom down.  It is a balancing act- being a parent.  We need to guide without hovering. 

Just a heads up for Sonya- Good girls get pregnant too. 
 

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April 5, 2008, 10:32 am PDT

04/03 Perfectionist Moms

Oh wow!  I hope these kids get through this & don't end up feeling badly about themselves.   At the end of the show when Annie's mom got emotional, Annie bent over and asked if she was OK. What a burden this young lady must have.  I hope Lexie realizes what a wonderful young lady she is, and doesn't let her mother's comments "mess with her mind" like young girls sometimes do.  And the strained marriage. .. . . I hope Dr. Phil gets them all counseling.  I truly hope both these mothers realize what Dr. Phil kept stressing, "It's not about YOU".  They just seemed defensive, like when Cathy said Nick might not have gotten the scholarship?? if it weren't for her pushing him.  What insecurities these two mothers must have to act this way with their children.  Please let Nick out of his cage, ie girlfriend, curfew.  . . . . God bless them all. 

 
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April 5, 2008, 11:29 am PDT

This was my experience as well...

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I have worked in education for a few years as a private tutor and it has been my experience that parents who are obsessed with their children being 'perfect' often have deep emotional issues with feelings of inadequacy, low self esteem or even obsession.

 

They often focus on their children and do everything that they can to make them 'perfect' so that they can feel that although they themselves aren't without flaws, they made this perfect person and that is a point of pride for them.

 

This, however, often backfires.

 

When the kids show they aren't perfect, the parents often push them hard to excell, sabotaging their own children's ability to suceed and feel good about themselves. Nothing the child does is ever good enough for them. If they got a B on a hard test, they are often berated on why they didn't get an A instead. If they try out for a school play and got a supporting role, parents will ask 'why didn't you get the lead?'

 

The kids often end up feeling like a 'wind up toy' or 'performing animal' (their words, not mine) and quickly get sick of it. This leads to them feeling bad about themselves, because they feel that the people that are supposed to be proud of them and love them unconditionally, think that they don't measure up and those types of feelings can last a life time.

 

My advice: cut these kids some slack, let them be kids and love them for who they are. Because that ensures happiness for everyone involved.

I also worked as a private tutor.
This is/was so common. The children were starving for something real.
Someone to talk to them with out expectation or agenda. Someone to accept them as they are, for who they are... Not what the parent wants them to become.

The pattern was always the same.

The parent 'architect' would pound away on the child/i.e. 'project', till the child fell apart.

Then they would ask for the name of a good therapist.

eish. So sad.
 
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April 5, 2008, 11:46 am PDT

Sad Story

I use to tutor 'gifted children'.

All of the mothers were demanding perfectionists.

The stories are all so similar.

Mozart, John Stewart Mill, Both had Father's who demanded perfection.

Mozart became a drunk... Mill wrote "to analyze is to kill". He felt his father had murdered his spirit.

Piaget wrote "when to teach a child to do something the correct way, you have FOREVER robbed them of the experience of having figured it out for themselves".

And on and on and on...

This is so common and sad. Why? How could anyone be so stunningly clueless in how another should be treated?

This is basic and human, and quite a long shot from what LOVE is all about.

Sadly, all of my students turned away from their perfectionist mothers (in their 20's). They got into the 'real' world... stunningly ill prepared and fell. One was date raped on campus, another developed a gambling addiction, two married early and got OUT.
You get the picture.
 
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April 5, 2008, 3:33 pm PDT

Sonya - unhealthy/neurotic/horribly narcissistic

I have to tell you Sonya...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF and the nervous, scared, insecured person you have turned your beautiful daughter into!  For starters, the poor kid has a hairstyle of a 30 year old woman and the kid is only 18.  Secondly, your "shortcomings" (not being the girlfriend of the quarterback-HAAAAAA) in your life are exactly that - YOUR SHORTCOMINGS!  For you to expect your daughter to make you feel like a success is disgusting and you should be ashamed of your behavior and the damage you have already done to your daughter.  Your daughter's goal in this world IS NOT to make you look, feel or be successful - that's YOUR job - and how narcissistic of you to think otherwise!

 

We had a girl in our high school exactly like your daughter.  Her mother was also a neurotic quack who controlled every move this poor kid made...from answering and screening in depth ALL of her phone calls, choosing her friends, giving her only what she thought her daughter should eat, dressing her, driving her EVERYWHERE she went, making her do 4 hours of homework a night, etc.  In addition, her mother also gave her a convertable Mercedes when she was a senior in high school and proceeded to drive her daughter to school everyday in her OWN CAR!  I witnessed people make fun of, ostracize and ridicule this poor kid because of her mother's neurotic behavoir and it just broke my heart.  After high school, this poor girl was completely socially retarded because of the isolated, controlling world her mother had bestowed upon her daughter.  To boot, this girl had an extensive college education (which her mommy drove her to all of her college course EVERY day in her own Mercedes) but she could never hold a job, ended up getting knocked up in her late 20's and married a man 3 times her age (61 years old - ewwwww) just to get away from her mother!  She no longer speaks to her mother or father and hasn't for the past 14 years!

 

Congrats because there is a very high probability that you will have a very simliar experience and, inevitably, you will be the only person to blame!  God forbid you should EVER find out that your poor child meets a guy in college.  There is no doubt any boy will NOT be good enough for you...(oooops, I mean your daughter).

 

Get some help Sonya and leave your kid alone!  Go focus on your husband (God bless him if he is still with you) that you have ignored for the past 18 years.  THAT'S YOUR JOB!

 

I dare say, if you don't back the hell off your daughter, get your own life and get some serious therapy, you will only be distroying your daughter!

 

Good Luck! 

 

 

 
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April 5, 2008, 9:14 pm PDT

we all have our own path

 I have two children.  My daughter is this amazingly vibrant, intelligent, athletic young woman with a heart of gold.  She has ADD.  She does not take medication, but we spend a great deal of time working on strategies. I have figured out that ADD can be challenging, but there is also a gift about it.  That kid can really think outside of the box.  My son is an extremely inteligent, kind, and funny young man.  He has dysgraphia, which is a mild form of dyslexia.  Writing is very difficult form him and we are teaching him to type instead. Despite his specific challenge he reads above grade level and the school allows him to  do many things in a special way.  For example, he cannot show his steps to working a math problem on paper, but he can figure out the answer in his head without a paper or pencil.  I sometimes, as a single working mom get frustrated and make mistakes, but we work it through.  They are good people and they forgive me for not being perfect.  They are perfect.  Many of the people on this show have a weird way of defining sucess.  Success is trying to make this world a better place.  My kids both volunteer more hours to good causes than the average American.  They show kindness and love and they try to master helpful skills.  They are already successes according to my definition.
 

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