Topic : 04/04 Ask Dr. Phil about Parenting

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Are you tired of your kids talking back, being disobedient and acting up when they don’t get their way? Along with Dr. Frank Lawlis, author of Mending the Broken Bond, Dr. Phil has advice for calming a chaotic household. First up, Jennifer says her 12-year-old daughter, Sydney, is out of control, and Jennifer's marriage to Craig is suffering as a result. She says Sydney hangs out with the wrong crowd, lies constantly and is failing school. The teen was recently in hot water when she sent a topless photo from her cell phone to her boyfriend that was circulated around the school! Craig says he’s frustrated that Jennifer undermines his discipline, and he’s hurt that his stepdaughter doesn’t respect him. Can this family get back on track, or is it too late for Jennifer to save her marriage? Then, Diane and Clayton say their 17-year-old daughter, Logan, is rude, doesn’t do her chores and always breaks curfew. Logan wants her folks to get off her back because she’ll be 18 soon, and she wants to get her own place. Find out what happens when Dr. Lawlis makes a house call to bring some balance to the family. Is Logan ready to move out on her own, and will her folks be able to handle her independence? Join the discussion.

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April 7, 2008, 5:09 pm PDT

04/04 Ask Dr. Phil about Parenting

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we will have to agree to disagree, because there is noway I can agree any child deserve to be in the system, that does so much harm.

 

it was a point she was making, not what was happening.

No, you are the ONLY person who saw her point that way...and since you admit you dislike her personally...I'd say you are simply spinning it to make her look bad.
 
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April 7, 2008, 5:17 pm PDT

That's what I'm saying...

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There was a 3 year old boy,who suffer with autism, mother would let him rome the town, he was taken away, and placed in foster care, he is dead now, he was placed in a closet wrapped in duck tape, while the foster family went out of town for a family get together, they burned him and through his body in the river,  to many storys like that, foster care is no joke.
I realize there are a LOT of wonderful foster homes but there's just no way to know if they're going to go to one of those or to a horrible one until it's too late. That is why I said I don't know that my children could ever do anything for me to warrant allowing that to happen if there was ANY way I could stop it.
 
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April 7, 2008, 5:23 pm PDT

I still think it might help....

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did you hear on the news about those 9 kids  ages 8-9 blotting and bring in thing to school to kill their teacher, duck tape, a knife, something to hit her on the head with,something to cover the windows so they wouldn't be seen.  I don't know if jevy will help them I think their to young to go in,

At ages 8 and 9, if they're plotting something like that, there is something seriously wrong. I mean, of course, there's something wrong with anybody of any age plotting that but at 8 and 9 years old, they are way too young to understand that kind of thing. Obviously something is seriously, seriously wrong, and they need some extreme counseling but I think to give them a glimpse into their future if they continue down that road still helps. If they're mature enough to plot something like that, they're mature enough to see what's going to happen if they were to carry it  through. It may not always help, I just think it's worth a shot. Also, when my children were younger, I showed them a taped recording of Montel Williams doing a show on boot camp. I used to pick up the phone and tell them I was calling if they didn't straighten up! It worked great. The child that I was dealing with also watched videos on boot camp and heard me on the phone talking to people from boot camp. He was brought to tears at the thought. Of course, he's 14, not 8 or 9 but I figure it's worth a try.

 
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April 7, 2008, 5:29 pm PDT

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I realize there are a LOT of wonderful foster homes but there's just no way to know if they're going to go to one of those or to a horrible one until it's too late. That is why I said I don't know that my children could ever do anything for me to warrant allowing that to happen if there was ANY way I could stop it.
besides the foster care system is not for bad kids it for bad parents, I don't gamble unless I'm in Vagas.
 
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April 7, 2008, 5:48 pm PDT

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At ages 8 and 9, if they're plotting something like that, there is something seriously wrong. I mean, of course, there's something wrong with anybody of any age plotting that but at 8 and 9 years old, they are way too young to understand that kind of thing. Obviously something is seriously, seriously wrong, and they need some extreme counseling but I think to give them a glimpse into their future if they continue down that road still helps. If they're mature enough to plot something like that, they're mature enough to see what's going to happen if they were to carry it  through. It may not always help, I just think it's worth a shot. Also, when my children were younger, I showed them a taped recording of Montel Williams doing a show on boot camp. I used to pick up the phone and tell them I was calling if they didn't straighten up! It worked great. The child that I was dealing with also watched videos on boot camp and heard me on the phone talking to people from boot camp. He was brought to tears at the thought. Of course, he's 14, not 8 or 9 but I figure it's worth a try.

They said it was a girl who was the ring leader,  and something about one of her grades,  sad to think that any child of nine can come up with something like that,

and she can return to school next year, even after she threaten another student that day with a knife.

 
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April 7, 2008, 6:15 pm PDT

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besides the foster care system is not for bad kids it for bad parents, I don't gamble unless I'm in Vagas.
Well said.....
 
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April 7, 2008, 6:17 pm PDT

The child I was talkign about only got suspended....

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They said it was a girl who was the ring leader,  and something about one of her grades,  sad to think that any child of nine can come up with something like that,

and she can return to school next year, even after she threaten another student that day with a knife.

It is absolutely ridiculous to allow children like this in regular school. I realize at age 9 there aren't that many options on where else to put her but like the 14 year old that I was talking about could have been put in alternative school. Why should my child be in danger because somebody else can't get control of theirs? I don't think thoughts like this just go away on their own. These children need ALOT of counseling before they should be allowed back around other children.
 
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April 7, 2008, 6:38 pm PDT

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It is absolutely ridiculous to allow children like this in regular school. I realize at age 9 there aren't that many options on where else to put her but like the 14 year old that I was talking about could have been put in alternative school. Why should my child be in danger because somebody else can't get control of theirs? I don't think thoughts like this just go away on their own. These children need ALOT of counseling before they should be allowed back around other children.
 
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April 8, 2008, 4:27 am PDT

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I understand you more than you'll ever know.  I was also told by family and friends that spanking is not only necessary but it was actual abusive not to spank.  Almost everybody I talked to said the same thing, "If you don't spank your child he/she will grow up to be a spoiled adult and nobody will like them."

 

There simply was not enough information out there on how to use constructive forms of discipline and what little was out there was considered ridiculous by many people.  My children are all grown now and initially I started out by hitting my children....but the guilt I felt just wasn't worth it.  I decided that although other forms of discipline may be time consuming and inconvenient....my children were worth it.

 

As more and more information came out on the destructive outcome of hitting children...I felt I had made the right decision and still feel pangs of guilt for every single time I struck one of my children.  I'd like to save new parents that guilt and that is why I speak out against striking a child. 

 

I think the important thing with you and me is that we "realized" our mistake and moved forward and didn't insist on continuing in an old fashioned and outdated form of parenting.

Before I had kids, I really thought spanking was the way to dicipline. I had no idea how it would make ME feel. It just felt very wrong to me. I had to rethink things and try something different. I wish I had never done it in the first place. I was really surprised to find that other means worked just as well.  I kind of evolved into a non spanking mother. It just didn't feel right to hit my kid. When I was growing up, spanking was just accepted by everyone. I never knew of a parent who didn't spank. When I was in school we had corporal punishment. 60s and early 70s. The principal had a board with holes in it (I heard about it, I was never hit with it. As a matter of fact, back then it was only boys who got licks. All through grade school and high school, I never heard of a girl getting paddled.  And in a strange sort pf way, it was almost a status sort of thing to "survive" a paddling. Boys were stoic and refused to cry. Of course it wasn't something new to them because I'm pretty sure they were hit at home, too.) Because of my experience with spanking, I would encourage parents to try other means in the beginning. Like me, they might discover that other ways work just as well. I was 27 years old before I even had kids. Looking back, I almost feel like I was "brainwashed" into thinking that when you have kids, you just simply spank them and that's that. I am ashamed that I started out thinking that way. I actually have a mind of my own. I'm not blaming anyone else for my actions. I take full responsibity for thinking the way I did. It was such a strange experience to begin with spanking and think "This doesn't feel right to me." You're right, in my experience, it was considered wrong to NOT spank. If you dared to say "I don't  think spanking is right", people would look at you like you were crazy. Back then, if a kid got into trouble, the saying was " The kid needs a trip to the woodshed". I truly encourage parents to try something else. The next time you spank your child, stop for a moment and think about what you are doing. You are hitting your child. Hitting your child. How can that be acceptable? Try something else.
 
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April 8, 2008, 6:59 am PDT

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I don't presume that any child that is not spanked is going to be a druggy or a killer, way back when, I'm pretty sure my original message was that parents who DON'T DISCIPLINE their kids raise children such as these. The point was that the less control parents are given, the more out of control their children are. I have the right to spank my children, I believe in spanking and I know damn well that I am not a child abuser. I am a very good mom with very good children.  No, I don't believe my children are so awesome just because I spanked em a few times when they were younger. I believe they are awesome children because I balanced discipline out with good ol' fashioned love. I do not believe I am better than all other parents. I do believe that somewhere in my mess of a childhood, I found a good form of parenting. I am here to share it with other good parents. They may learn a thing or two from my trials and tribulations since my children are older than there's are. If you don't like it, find somebody else's post to reply to because I have no interest in somebody who is going to attack me and call me a child abuser simply because I swatted my kids a few times when they were younger. I know my children are good. I know what they are doing at all times. I do not give them enough freedom to do the things I did. They respect it, they love me for it and if you don't like it, boo hoo.

 

I don't presume that any child that is not spanked is going to be a druggy or a killer, way back when, I'm pretty sure my original message was that parents who DON'T DISCIPLINE their kids raise children such as these

 

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 I agree, you don't know if it worked. But spanking is a time honored form of discipline. Back when the main method for discipline was spanking, how many school shooting were there? How many kids were killing kids just for the hell of it? How many teen pregnancies were there? Do your research. Even the bible (btw I do not believe in God, but for those of you who do) says spare the rod, spoil the child, does it not

 

 

Actually this is exactly what you "presumed" and what you implied as you can well see from YOUR above statement..

 

I am here to share it with other good parents. They may learn a thing or two from my trials and tribulations since my children are older than there's are

 

 

All parents, even those that abuse their children, believe they are "good parents".  You know your message that to hit children is a good thing because you "think" you raised emotionally healthy children, and they are not even old enough for you to determine that yet, is read by many as this is a public forum.  I shudder to think of the parents that will end up abusing their kids because they read your words.

 

If you don't like it, find somebody else's post to reply to because

 

It has nothing to do with liking it or disliking it.  This is a public debate and discussion board and we are free to answer, agree with or challenge any post we wish.

 

I have no interest in somebody who is going to attack me and call me a child abuser simply because I swatted my kids a few times

 

Well I saw your posts where you are "attacking" parents that use constructive methods of discipline instead of smacking their kids.  Again, if you don't want to be judged.....then don't judge.

 

 

 

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