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Are you tired of your kids talking back, being disobedient and acting up when they don’t get their way? Along with Dr. Frank Lawlis, author of Mending the Broken Bond, Dr. Phil has advice for calming a chaotic household. First up, Jennifer says her 12-year-old daughter, Sydney, is out of control, and Jennifer's marriage to Craig is suffering as a result. She says Sydney hangs out with the wrong crowd, lies constantly and is failing school. The teen was recently in hot water when she sent a topless photo from her cell phone to her boyfriend that was circulated around the school! Craig says he’s frustrated that Jennifer undermines his discipline, and he’s hurt that his stepdaughter doesn’t respect him. Can this family get back on track, or is it too late for Jennifer to save her marriage? Then, Diane and Clayton say their 17-year-old daughter, Logan, is rude, doesn’t do her chores and always breaks curfew. Logan wants her folks to get off her back because she’ll be 18 soon, and she wants to get her own place. Find out what happens when Dr. Lawlis makes a house call to bring some balance to the family. Is Logan ready to move out on her own, and will her folks be able to handle her independence? Join the discussion.

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April 4, 2008, 8:36 am PDT

Didn't call you a moron

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Yes, I just LOVE being told that I am a moron because my child isn't as old as yours. I have seen other OLDER THAN YOUR KIDS raised in the same way I am raising my kid and they are just fine...so, your trump card is now gone, can we actually talk with out your condescension now? Thanks.

I didn't say you were all that bad, I just don't GET how smacking a child around accomplishes ANYthing.


I didn't call you a moron, I simply stated that your child is too young to know if your method is working. I do not SMACK my child around. I never have. But when it comes to them doing something such as running out in front of a car, I would rather spank their butt than have them hit by a car. They need to know that running out in front of cars hurts. The punishment needs to fit the crime. Please don't take that out of context, just pay attention. If you spank your child for every little thing they do they are not going to understand the seriousness of doing something harmful. If they get the same punishment for not going to bed on time as well as playing with fire, they are not going to understand how much worse playing with fire is than not going to bed. If they My children know if it is important enough for me to spank them for it, it must be extremely dangerous. Also, I've always explained to them that I would rather cause them a little pain than have them really get hurt. As I've stated, my children are awesome. I haven't had to spank them in years. They love me with everything they have and have no doubt that I love them with everything I have. If I had just allowed them to get seriously injured, I doubt they would feel the same way.
 
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April 4, 2008, 8:52 am PDT

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You're right, we shouldn't be afraid of our kids. I, for one, was never in a situation to be afraid of my kids. It helped to have a father on hand to help raise them. Neither one of mine ever threatened to call CPS. But, I have known of teens who DID threaten thier parents with CPS. And it wasn't a terribly bad situation there, the kids were just in disagreement with the rules. The people I know, said to thier teens, "Go to it,call 'em!" No one called. It was probably just a hollow threat anyway. I can tell you that if one of my kids had threatened me with CPS, I would have really been pissed off.Because I am a good mother and had reasonable rules. We didn't have a problem with our kids being terribly rebellious. But, even in the best of situations, teens and parents are going to butt heads at times.

 

I can say that my own parents were afraid of 2 of my brothers at times. (more as adults than teens) And they got by with a lot of s*** that should never have been allowed. And they wouldn't let the rest of us interfere with the mess they were in at times. At times, my sister and I were actually afraid for my parents' safety. Ah, but I digress, my parents are dead and gone and it's all over with now. But, at the time it was very frustrating to see the way things were going on and not be able to do anything about it. My own 2 kids are grown and we have a healthy relationship with both of them.

 

That's true, even in the best situations, you can get rebellion even if the child is disciplined at home.  If you don't mind me asking, how are your brothers doing now? Did they outgrow the rebellion?  Sorry, just curious.

 
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April 4, 2008, 9:30 am PDT

different kids, different results

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I was a replying to a poster who was having difficulty with a social worker who was way off the map.  In those situations, it's advantageous to fight it, as an attorney will fight for the rights of you versus the government agency.  Teens are going to rebel, though  in some way, but if you have a corrupt social worker in the mix, the situation changes.  If that's the teen's way of running away, shoot, I'd drive them to the bus depot rather than have CPS stick their nose in my life.  Point is, I'm not afraid of kids OR the government and you have rights in the situation that you can exercise.  BTW, how do you implement these uniform standards, though? 

 

Keep in mind, spanking doens't work for all children- my brother was spanked until his butt was red, but it made no difference, he still acted out.  It was only when his video games, his TV, his allowannce, etc, was taken away that he started to comply.  I'm not saying we should eliminate spanking, I'm just saying, for that person, spanking was ineffective.

 yes, i agree. the same method does not work for all kids. i know people who are sure that they only have well-behaved kids b/c they spanked them; i know other people whose kids eventually began hitting back. and so on. i'm sure that some of the parents who end up 'afraid of' their kid have tried all the methods they know and havent found anything that works on their kid, so they just gave up. not allof them,of course, but some. but in that situation, i think they need to go to therapy and/or come to dr. phil a lot sooner than a lot of them do.

as for uniform standards, i admit i'm not sure. there would have to be some kind of consensus, i guess, on when spanking was ok and when it wasnt. but i'm not sure how wewould get such a consensus. this is not an easy problem, i suppose.
 
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April 4, 2008, 10:11 am PDT

Headed for trouble....

It just amazes me how these parents are so inept with discipline all the kid's life and then are shocked at their outrageous behavior when they are teens!! What do you expect? YOU raised that mess!

Suddenly you want them to figure out all by themselves what's expected and how to behave and flip that switch on?

 

The young lady who sent the nude pictures to her boyfriend,(which are now probably all over the Internet) and whose mother has affairs and whose step-father smokes pot...real nice! What the devil did they expect? This child is out of control NOW...what do you see in another two years? Like Dr. Phil said: she's going to be pregnant by then; she's advertising NOW! The kid is a snoop...and Dad, you leave pot where she can find it,  and mom, you leave a Blackberry with text messages to your boyfriend lying around? You don't have the brains God gave geese!!

 

As for the rude, spoiled, bratty 17 year old who wants to move out on her own....here's what I'd tell her:

"Great! Do it! Don't forget to take your dirty laundry with you. By the way, do you have a job making enough money to pay for rent, utilities, food, medical care, a car, gas for the car, maintenance and insurance for said car, and all the other little nickle and dime expenses that go along with this independence you so badly want?" 

My guess would be no. (with her snotty attitude, I doubt any employer will tolerate her for long!) I'm pretty sure she's got the divide-and-conquer thing down to a fine art with her parents. Dad wants her to be independent and has said he is not willing to support her financially if she moves out...but, mom is a wimp and I have no doubt she will enable the kid to continue to be the self-entitled brat she is, and mom will wind up giving her all the money she wants while she parties hearty.

Fool if you do!! 

 
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April 4, 2008, 10:35 am PDT

They're all different

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I was a replying to a poster who was having difficulty with a social worker who was way off the map.  In those situations, it's advantageous to fight it, as an attorney will fight for the rights of you versus the government agency.  Teens are going to rebel, though  in some way, but if you have a corrupt social worker in the mix, the situation changes.  If that's the teen's way of running away, shoot, I'd drive them to the bus depot rather than have CPS stick their nose in my life.  Point is, I'm not afraid of kids OR the government and you have rights in the situation that you can exercise.  BTW, how do you implement these uniform standards, though? 

 

Keep in mind, spanking doens't work for all children- my brother was spanked until his butt was red, but it made no difference, he still acted out.  It was only when his video games, his TV, his allowannce, etc, was taken away that he started to comply.  I'm not saying we should eliminate spanking, I'm just saying, for that person, spanking was ineffective.

I have three grown children. Each child was radically different from the other and I had to deal with them as the individuals they were..and still are.

 

Every kid has their currency...I never believed in spanking as a first line of defense...but, there were a few times when that was used to get their attention when all else failed.

 

My son's "currency" was restriction...he absolutely hated being confined to his room. No fun in there.(He told me he'd RATHER take a spanking and have it done with so he could go on his merry way...so, of course, he didn't get spanked because it didn't work. Restriction did.) Once he took something that didn't belong to him and I stripped his entire room except for the mattress, which I put on the floor, a pillow and some blankets. He had to earn back everything he had. It taught him what it was like to have something you valued taken away. Nothing like a little lesson in empathy to get a point across. He got it.

 

My middle daughter only got spanked three times in her entire life (which entailed two light swats on the butt); she could be reasoned with.

 

The youngest daughter had to be dealt with using different methods each time. One of our biggest battles was when I was working three jobs and insisted that each child did certain chores..one of hers was emptying the trash...which was like pulling teeth to get her to do. Finally, I warned her that if I came home from work once more and found the trash not emptied, it would get dumped on her bed.

She "forgot"...I followed through. You should have heard the howling when she found that mess on her bed...but, she never "forgot" to do that small chore again!

 

You have to be creative! :)   

 
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April 4, 2008, 10:53 am PDT

Caregivers who are afraid are ineffective

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We shouldn't be afraid of our kids!  If we don't discipline them SOME way, they'll end up in prison as adults.  I'm not afraid, if my kids cry wolf to CPS, and they DO take them away.  I'd let them go- then when the kid realizes that foster care is worse than living with me and wants to come back, I'll fight CPS until I'm blue in the face!  Maybe it's good for that child to understand the consequences of lying or crying wolf and that these accusations are serious.  Why do we give our kids that much power?  I'm not afraid of them, they'll be better for me grounding them or taking away the TV and taking a leadership role than they will for me to cower in the corner while they run wild.  Just my opinion.

If children are not disciplined when they do something "wrong" or get in a dangerous situation, they will have a hard time growing into functional adults or staying away from potentially dangerous situations in the future. MLB Psalms 94:12 Blessed is the man whom Thou dost discipline, whom Thou dost instruct from Thy Law, O Lord,

 

I was raised being spanked, grounded, and having my mouth washed out for lying. I have a total of 8 siblings ranging in age from 1 years old to 40 and I am right smack in the middle. I watched an older sister who rebelled more (my mother was more inexperienced with her) and I learned from observation of her mistakes how to avoid many of my own. She cussed, she got soap. I avoided saying yucky words, etc. Some much so, I have had two natural labors, my first baby died during delivery, and I did not even utter a curse then.

 

Of course, children are different too. Some children are more stubborn or foolish and thus need more discipline and it will take more time, effort, and CONSISTENCY to raise them.

 

I was a teacher and I have worked with thousands of teachers and parents and had extensive training because of the youth I specialized in. I worked in a school for troubled youth in the beginning of my career. The children that have the most problems come from homes where for instance, mom is lenient and dad expects the rules to be followed and beats them (see the husband from a model's dangerous marriage, that was his upbringing). These children seem to always be seeking the friends, authorities, and situations were they can break the rules and get away with it. And they learned this from the mother not enforcing the rules. They grow into adults who have a lot of serious problems. A lot of these men seem to be abusers who hide it well - they act "right" in public and for other men in authority, but if they are not being directly seen by the man or if they are behind closed doors with a wife or girlfriend or children, they are animals. MLB Proverbs 5:23 He dies for lack of discipline; but with the magnitude of his folly he is infatuated.

 

The other children that were very troubled where the ones given NO guidance and NO rules. They were fairly easy to educate and turn back though. They were hungry for the truth on life. MLB Proverbs 19:18  Discipline your son, for there is hope, and do not set your heart on his destruction. Appropriate discipline can save our children a world of trouble before they have regrets.

 

I have seen children who had good rules very young and then experienced divorce or other life situations where they had little supervision turn out excellent. An example of "Train up a child in the way he should go [and in keeping with his individual gift or bent], and when he is old he will not depart for it. [Ephesians 6;4; II Tim. 3:15] MLB Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. As the scripture shows, if disciplined early, they can turn out well later despite adversity.

 

In regards to CPS, one of my brothers was handicapped and so we had a social worker involved due to his many needs and issues which the State of Fl helped us with. In my first marriage, we went through foster parent certification & training. Most of the time, they are reasonable. My mother spanked us and we were not removed.

 

In fact, all of us [as children] were wise enough NOT to WANT to call unless there was a REALLY EXCELLENT reason because my mother was in the foster care system in NY and was raped by her foster father. She was abused even worse by her natural parents which is why she and her siblings were removed. And my mother chose NOT to tell on her foster father when it happened because she feared going to another family were it would have been worse. Her foster father was old and experiencing mental illness and her foster mother put him in a hospital after it happened and he died shortly thereafter.

 

In our family, after my mother became saved, right before I was born - TRUTH became of the utmost importance. All of the younger siblings GREATLY benefited from the Christian beliefs (not just heard but followed in front of us) and the new rule in our family of HONESTY as the ONLY POLICY. And we would get spanked for lying, in fact spanked double if we were lying to cover something we did. MLB Hebrews 12:11 Of course, no discipline seems at the time enjoyable, but it seems painful; later on, however, it affords those schooled in it the peaceful fruitage of an upright life.

 

Because of my grandparents and parents choosing to ALWAYS share the truth and facts, we children did not want to call CPS because we understood clearly what happened to our mother. NOTHING was shielded from us and it served us well. Of course, we have to remember that all people are not so honest when dealing with potential husbands, employers, etc.

 

Also something very important: children or students will not respect or listen to authority if they do not think they are 1) loved or cared about as an individual and 2) understood and respected too. If they do not feel valued, truly valued, they will not listen to spankings or anything else. And children spell love T - I - M - E. Children also act out to get love and attention if desperate. (I used to teach teachers how to improve their curriculum & activities to suit their students needs and thus decrease behavior problems because the students felt cared about and important when they saw these changes). If you put the love and time in first, you will have better students/children and you will have less work to do later.

 

Teachers or parents who are afraid of their students or children are completely ineffective. Children have an innate sense to pick up on fear and low self-esteem in authorities. Parents must be authorities and not friends with their children. Children need parents to LEAD them. LEADERS can see from a higher perspective and will lead the group in the right direction towards the right end result even if they members of it do not understand with their limited vision the big picture (Like God leading us through troubles and Moses leading the Israelites or a teacher leading them through the proper way to do a math problem). When we take the time to parent and discipline appropriately, we show our children we love them and they are worth our time and efforts. MLB Revelation 3:19 The ones I love I correct and discipline; so burn with zeal and repent.

 

And if we did not want to obey the rules, my parents were famous for saying "if you don't obey the rules of this house, you will need to leave" and they meant it. And we were all better for it. I left home earlier than most and I took on the responsibility of adult living. This prompted me to buy a house, walk to school & college until I saved for my car (rather than take on debt payments), and to do well enough in school to earn a scholarship. If my parents had not enforced that rule, I might have become a rebellious bum loaf of a child or adult (the ones who are living at home, in sin, breaking all the rules, and partying and failing the college that their parents are paying for). I covered my college bill, with scholarships, but nonetheless - I had to keep my gpa up so I learned not to fool around or get distracted.

 

Don't be scared to PARENT your children, lay down boundaries, and STICK WITH THEM, your children will thank you for it, MUCH later sometimes but tomorrow will come soon enough. If you are scared, reply on the board or to the email in my profile. Or if you are scared to do the "right thing" check out www.joycemeyer.org for more information on approval addiction, fear, etc. God's promises regarding training up your children so that they will not depart is a promise FOR those who believe in Jesus and abide in Him (obey the truth and stick with Him). God's Word does not return void ever.     Heather

 

 

 

 

 
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April 4, 2008, 12:00 pm PDT

04/04 Ask Dr. Phil about Parenting

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Yes, I just LOVE being told that I am a moron because my child isn't as old as yours. I have seen other OLDER THAN YOUR KIDS raised in the same way I am raising my kid and they are just fine...so, your trump card is now gone, can we actually talk with out your condescension now? Thanks.

I didn't say you were all that bad, I just don't GET how smacking a child around accomplishes ANYthing.


I don't think four is too young to tell that your parenting methods are working. Even a two-year-old's behavior can suggest that her parents' methods are successful. Or, not..
 
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thanks for advice

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I think you need to talk to an attorney that specializes in CPS laws

 

http://www.fightcps.com/articles/faq.html

 

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First, you need to get a good attorney, and fast. Child protective services is nothing to take chances with. Once they are involved, the power that they have over your family is enormous. Make sure that the attorney you get is experienced in dealing with child protective services

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Second, no, once child protective services is involved, and until their investigation is concluded (and only then if they find nothing), you do not have a say in what happens to your children. Again the power that CPS has in this situation cannot be overstated."

 

http://www.dearesq.com/if-child-protective-services-cps-takes-our-children-can-we-assign-custody-to-someone-we-choose/

 

Fight it, don't let whomever decides to terrorize you this way win. Good luck to you, don't let that social worker get away with it, be a thorn in her side until you get your way.  It won't be worth it to mess with you- again fight to the death!  Good luck and God bless!

thank you very much! we know about how child protective services work and how they can get into your life and remain forever! My doctor even said to me when i told him "oh no, you will never be rid of them now!" One little thing and they will be on you like flies on doo doo! well he didnt say that i did!! lol  But nevertheless it is true and yes, we all three(myself, my son, and his wife)  have good attorneys and none are afraid of the government , Department of Social Services.  So there will be three attorneys in the court room working for us and they have this  wimpy County Attorney. I wanna say to him ,but my son told me "mom no!", "Did someone actually find you attractive enough to actually marry you?" lmao   Unfortunately my mouth sometimes gets me into trouble so i have to be quiet and let my attorney talk in the courtroom. hahaha
 
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April 4, 2008, 12:53 pm PDT

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This child is obvously over indulged.  Let her move out, no car, no car insurance, no cell phone, no clothes, no laundry.  The mother is obviously the problem.  As for the dad....an 11:00 o'clock curfew is simply rediculous.  Get Real.   But, I am so sick of this sense of entitlement that kids these days have.  If she is in your home, she plays by your rules- make your rules reasonable.  If she doesn't contribute then return the favor.  Cut off the entitlements.  She plays these parents against each other - it's so sickening.  She needs a kick in the butt. 
 
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04/04 Ask Dr. Phil about Parenting

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If children are not disciplined when they do something "wrong" or get in a dangerous situation, they will have a hard time growing into functional adults or staying away from potentially dangerous situations in the future. MLB Psalms 94:12 Blessed is the man whom Thou dost discipline, whom Thou dost instruct from Thy Law, O Lord,

 

I was raised being spanked, grounded, and having my mouth washed out for lying. I have a total of 8 siblings ranging in age from 1 years old to 40 and I am right smack in the middle. I watched an older sister who rebelled more (my mother was more inexperienced with her) and I learned from observation of her mistakes how to avoid many of my own. She cussed, she got soap. I avoided saying yucky words, etc. Some much so, I have had two natural labors, my first baby died during delivery, and I did not even utter a curse then.

 

Of course, children are different too. Some children are more stubborn or foolish and thus need more discipline and it will take more time, effort, and CONSISTENCY to raise them.

 

I was a teacher and I have worked with thousands of teachers and parents and had extensive training because of the youth I specialized in. I worked in a school for troubled youth in the beginning of my career. The children that have the most problems come from homes where for instance, mom is lenient and dad expects the rules to be followed and beats them (see the husband from a model's dangerous marriage, that was his upbringing). These children seem to always be seeking the friends, authorities, and situations were they can break the rules and get away with it. And they learned this from the mother not enforcing the rules. They grow into adults who have a lot of serious problems. A lot of these men seem to be abusers who hide it well - they act "right" in public and for other men in authority, but if they are not being directly seen by the man or if they are behind closed doors with a wife or girlfriend or children, they are animals. MLB Proverbs 5:23 He dies for lack of discipline; but with the magnitude of his folly he is infatuated.

 

The other children that were very troubled where the ones given NO guidance and NO rules. They were fairly easy to educate and turn back though. They were hungry for the truth on life. MLB Proverbs 19:18  Discipline your son, for there is hope, and do not set your heart on his destruction. Appropriate discipline can save our children a world of trouble before they have regrets.

 

I have seen children who had good rules very young and then experienced divorce or other life situations where they had little supervision turn out excellent. An example of "Train up a child in the way he should go [and in keeping with his individual gift or bent, and when he is old he will not depart for it. [Ephesians 6;4; II Tim. 3:15 MLB Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. As the scripture shows, if disciplined early, they can turn out well later despite adversity.

 

In regards to CPS, one of my brothers was handicapped and so we had a social worker involved due to his many needs and issues which the State of Fl helped us with. In my first marriage, we went through foster parent certification & training. Most of the time, they are reasonable. My mother spanked us and we were not removed.

 

In fact, all of us [as children were wise enough NOT to WANT to call unless there was a REALLY EXCELLENT reason because my mother was in the foster care system in NY and was raped by her foster father. She was abused even worse by her natural parents which is why she and her siblings were removed. And my mother chose NOT to tell on her foster father when it happened because she feared going to another family were it would have been worse. Her foster father was old and experiencing mental illness and her foster mother put him in a hospital after it happened and he died shortly thereafter.

 

In our family, after my mother became saved, right before I was born - TRUTH became of the utmost importance. All of the younger siblings GREATLY benefited from the Christian beliefs (not just heard but followed in front of us) and the new rule in our family of HONESTY as the ONLY POLICY. And we would get spanked for lying, in fact spanked double if we were lying to cover something we did. MLB Hebrews 12:11 Of course, no discipline seems at the time enjoyable, but it seems painful; later on, however, it affords those schooled in it the peaceful fruitage of an upright life.

 

Because of my grandparents and parents choosing to ALWAYS share the truth and facts, we children did not want to call CPS because we understood clearly what happened to our mother. NOTHING was shielded from us and it served us well. Of course, we have to remember that all people are not so honest when dealing with potential husbands, employers, etc.

 

Also something very important: children or students will not respect or listen to authority if they do not think they are 1) loved or cared about as an individual and 2) understood and respected too. If they do not feel valued, truly valued, they will not listen to spankings or anything else. And children spell love T - I - M - E. Children also act out to get love and attention if desperate. (I used to teach teachers how to improve their curriculum & activities to suit their students needs and thus decrease behavior problems because the students felt cared about and important when they saw these changes). If you put the love and time in first, you will have better students/children and you will have less work to do later.

 

Teachers or parents who are afraid of their students or children are completely ineffective. Children have an innate sense to pick up on fear and low self-esteem in authorities. Parents must be authorities and not friends with their children. Children need parents to LEAD them. LEADERS can see from a higher perspective and will lead the group in the right direction towards the right end result even if they members of it do not understand with their limited vision the big picture (Like God leading us through troubles and Moses leading the Israelites or a teacher leading them through the proper way to do a math problem). When we take the time to parent and discipline appropriately, we show our children we love them and they are worth our time and efforts. MLB Revelation 3:19 The ones I love I correct and discipline; so burn with zeal and repent.

 

And if we did not want to obey the rules, my parents were famous for saying "if you don't obey the rules of this house, you will need to leave" and they meant it. And we were all better for it. I left home earlier than most and I took on the responsibility of adult living. This prompted me to buy a house, walk to school & college until I saved for my car (rather than take on debt payments), and to do well enough in school to earn a scholarship. If my parents had not enforced that rule, I might have become a rebellious bum loaf of a child or adult (the ones who are living at home, in sin, breaking all the rules, and partying and failing the college that their parents are paying for). I covered my college bill, with scholarships, but nonetheless - I had to keep my gpa up so I learned not to fool around or get distracted.

 

Don't be scared to PARENT your children, lay down boundaries, and STICK WITH THEM, your children will thank you for it, MUCH later sometimes but tomorrow will come soon enough. If you are scared, reply on the board or to the email in my profile. Or if you are scared to do the "right thing" check out www.joycemeyer.org for more information on approval addiction, fear, etc. God's promises regarding training up your children so that they will not depart is a promise FOR those who believe in Jesus and abide in Him (obey the truth and stick with Him). God's Word does not return void ever.     Heather

 

 

 

 

You also believe that having your child watch you and your husband verbally abuse each other will teach her "conflict resolution"....
 

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