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Created on : Friday, April 04, 2008, 02:11:21 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/09/08) “Fat slob!” “Lardo!” “Lazy butt!” Obese people are often the target of ridicule, but can you imagine hearing this type of verbal abuse from your own spouse? Dr. Phil takes on fat abusers, people who intentionally belittle their husband or wife simply for being overweight. Roger says he was very clear when he told his wife, Linda, before they were married that he couldn’t stand fat people. Now 20 years later, Roger says Linda has gained 40 pounds and is about to lose him. He says sex with her is like “rolling around in a bowl of Jell-O” and is considering divorce if she doesn’t shed the pounds. Should Linda take his behavior as a wake-up call and end the marriage? Then, Alisa and Leon have been married for 28 years, but now that he tips the scales at 305 pounds, she calls him “Fat Butt.” She filed for divorce because she says she can’t stand looking at his stinky, flabby body. Their daughter, Amy, also puts Leon down and says he's the reason that she’s full-figured. Don't miss Dr. Phil's surprise for Leon! And, viewers were left speechless by Rick, who called his wife, Karen, a fat whore, fat pig and even the C-word. Has he changed his abusive ways? Join the discussion.

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April 10, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

04/09 Fat Abusers

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Penny, you are NOT gross!!!!! During our years here on the board, I have come to know you as an intelligent, dynamic,and sensitive, caring person. And as I've told you so many times, I enjoy our dialogue on here even when we completely disagree. You are NOT gross!!! You have so many positive characteristics-please focus on them!!!!!

 

That being said, Penny I agree with you that a person's underlying emotional issues have to be dealt with first, before the symptom (eating for comfort) can go away.

I agree with everything you've said and any time I've ever interacted with Penny this was my same experience *even when disagreeing with her*.  There's nothing "gross" about her. 
 
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April 10, 2008, 12:45 pm PDT

Faking It

I hate to say this, but I simply don't believe that Karen and her husband are for real. I had my doubts about his over-the-top behavior on the first show; so much so that I posted my message of concern on here. But the more I thought about him, he just didn't seem believeable. I cannot imagine that a man who was truly, honestly that abusive and cruel can change overnight like this man seems to claim. After all the messages of support begging Karen to leave that horrible situation, I cannot believe she stayed if he was truly that awful to her.

I'm sorry, but I think this couple is faking the entire thing...and has pulled the wool over Dr Phil. 
 
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April 10, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

04/09 Fat Abusers

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She is fat because of genetics, not because she ate herself fat. I keep repeating this, because Dr. Phil felt that it was proper to make light of this reality, and act as if it's a small issue. It is not, it's true, people do come in different sizes, due to genetics.

 

Your right, she is no kid anymore. She's more than capable of following society's place for women, learning how to starve herself thin. That would be the good and proper thing for her to do right, go on a starvation program?

You missed Doctors Phils point and you're now missing MY point!

 

 

1st of knowing how much of her beingover weightis from genetics and how much is from her over eating!  It's the age old nature/nurturing question.  The fact is she could pick up her fathers eating habits and frankly if it's her mother that is doing the food shopping and preparing meals soley then it could be her mother *supplying it*.   I know this *from experience*  I do the food shopping here and if I bring in cookies they're going to eat them and if I bring in apples they're going to eat them if I bring in BOTH they'll eat them all too! 

 

But that wasn't the point of Dr. Phil pointing out that she's over weight because of genetics the fact is that she didn't think twice to verbally berate her father for being over weight when she herself is over weight!   Even if her father is over weight *now* because he's eating like there's no tomorrow that doesn't mean he doesn't have the weight problem because of genetics too.   her father is older than his daughter obviously* and so 1st as we age our metabolism does change, this also happens as we become more less active and when having a issue like being a smoker or having a weight issue that is *difficult* to over come it's natural to feel deffeated, depressed etc.  and then we end up "giving up" etc.  It takes having *supportive people* around one to help them over come.  And to simply say her father is "fat because he's lazy" is just ridiculas and she shouldn't be judging HIM because she's actually have the SAME issue! 

 

 

Dr. Phil wasn't just questioning if she was over weight because it's genetics.  it's the hypocracy that for her it's genetics and yet for her father she feels he's just a lazy fat slob?  Come on.  This girl was never taught to have any respect for this man who is HER FATHER!  I don't care how big he is he was still there with her when she was a kid right?  He could have been out with friends sitting at a bar or running around with women etc.  But he was at home with his kid and heavens to Betsy he was sitting on a couch.  Let's just hang him for it!   We all have issues and it takes those who really love and respect us to help us get past them. 

 
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April 10, 2008, 1:03 pm PDT

it is hard to understand how this could be

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I hate to say this, but I simply don't believe that Karen and her husband are for real. I had my doubts about his over-the-top behavior on the first show; so much so that I posted my message of concern on here. But the more I thought about him, he just didn't seem believeable. I cannot imagine that a man who was truly, honestly that abusive and cruel can change overnight like this man seems to claim. After all the messages of support begging Karen to leave that horrible situation, I cannot believe she stayed if he was truly that awful to her.

I'm sorry, but I think this couple is faking the entire thing...and has pulled the wool over Dr Phil. 
Sadly Rick and Karen are not the first and will not be the last for the abuse to be that bad.  And sadly Karen isn't the first nor will she be the last to be fooled into thinking "he's changed".  They can be very sly abusers and will parrot to a therapist just what they think they want to hear etc.  It's the scariest thing and for me it often feels like we're watching one of those made for TV LifetimeTV movies where you're yelling "get out of the house" at the TV and the person has no idea what's coming at her.  People have tried totell her but I don't think anyones been heard by her.  I feel for her I do.  It's hard to see the reality when what you want to see is what is presented like it is the reality.  By the time reality comes around to bite again she'll be stuck.  I just hope her friends and family still keep things open to her when she needs them.   
 
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April 10, 2008, 1:05 pm PDT

Thank you too...

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Thank you, and I hope your finger feels better.
I superglued it. It still hurts but at least I ain't bleeding all over everything!
 
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April 10, 2008, 1:13 pm PDT

That' could be me - Linda

The show about Linda described my life.  I married my husband 26 years ago. I was a thin 20 year old, he was 30.  Two children later, I am the bread winner, and weigh 300 pounds.  He was not home when the show was on, I showed him the web page and told him that was how I felt, he replied, "well loose the fat it's not that hard".  I know that I eat because his verbal abuse depresses me.  I don't eat when I'm at work because people are nice to me there, at least to my face.  Please run more shows like this, I think this a problem in our society.  I love my husband and want to grow old with him, but I don't know how much more of this I can take.  I believe he is a bad example for our 14 year old son, I want him to respet women.
 
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April 10, 2008, 1:15 pm PDT

to "pumpkin"

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I superglued it. It still hurts but at least I ain't bleeding all over everything!
glad to hear that you are on the mend, and good to see you back on here! I enjoy reading your posts and we usually seem to see things in a similar way.
 
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April 10, 2008, 1:31 pm PDT

thank you I thought I was alone here.

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I disagree Rick and that first guy are both narcissistic, pathological abusers.Rick wasnt upset that he hurt his wife, he was upset that he got labeled so poorly by Dr. Phil and that all of America thought he was a jerk.  The tears and repenting was all an act. His wife wasnt sure how long it would last and he is still controlling her in other ways and still calling her names like stupid. She knows its an act because its not the first time she seen him do that. He kept saying how bad he felt that people thought he was a jerk. His apology was staged, he will go right back to his old ways as soon as the spotlight is off of him. The first guy was exactly the same neither one of them had any empathy for their spouse it was all about them. People like them never get any better, they usually get worse and they are very good at pretending, especially when there is an audience. I was most disappointed that Dr. Phil seemed to buy it and didnt even question the continuation of the name calling or the fact that he still doesnt let her have any control over the money. In both of those instances the issue of weight wasnt really the issue, had they both been skinny their husbands would have found something else to brow beat them with. Both of those men are nothing short of evil.

I couldn't possibly be the only one who saw these things?!  the whole "public apology" was a staged act.  He'd said that he hadn't apologized and wanted to do it right there & that's a lie he did it on the old message board!  That was another "staged apology" but I guess he thought on TV it would reach more people for them to say "awww what a great guy". 

 

And you know there were MANY that were trying to tell Karen from just after the airing of the last show to *take back her paycheck*!  She works a full time job and isn't allowed her paycheck?  And I swear that when Dr.Phil said this into the camera that he was saying it directly to us on the message boards who've been trying to tell her to TAKE CONTROL of your life!  he said "Rick still doesn't give her an allowance"  Karen is not Ricks kid to be giving her an allowance!  If it's really a sincere change this mani s trying to make then he will not fight it and if he does then he is not serious. 

 

He's said it's going to take time "I'm able to control myself and I'm not losing my temper" not losing his temper over what?  I thought he'd gone home and watched himself on TV and realized suddenly how "wrong he was and that she's a beautiful woman & I don't leave her lists of stuff to do anymore"  because he was wrong & yet he still has time that he's angry but "controling his temper"?  what is there to lose his temper about if he's realized she this great person all of a sudden? 

 

The whole thing is filled with a contradiction in terms and that's because it's not real......  

 

i do believe people have the ability to change but part of narcissism is that they *don't want to* not really and so when they *look to be trying* it's the escalationof the game and manipulation of the best kind they can muster.  Frankly Rick's isn't even that good & yet everyone seems to be taken in.. 

 

We all keep trying to tell Karen *direct deposit* to an account he does not have access to & when you see the bills you then give him thre quarters of the check to cover things and the rest goes into the emergency kitty.  If the emergency doesn't ever come then it's there for retirement. 

 
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April 10, 2008, 1:38 pm PDT

are you related or do you know them?

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She is fat because of genetics, not because she ate herself fat. I keep repeating this, because Dr. Phil felt that it was proper to make light of this reality, and act as if it's a small issue. It is not, it's true, people do come in different sizes, due to genetics.

 

Your right, she is no kid anymore. She's more than capable of following society's place for women, learning how to starve herself thin. That would be the good and proper thing for her to do right, go on a starvation program?

"She is fat because of genetics, not because she ate herself fat. "

 

 

How do you know this? 

 
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April 10, 2008, 2:17 pm PDT

the change

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I couldn't possibly be the only one who saw these things?!  the whole "public apology" was a staged act.  He'd said that he hadn't apologized and wanted to do it right there & that's a lie he did it on the old message board!  That was another "staged apology" but I guess he thought on TV it would reach more people for them to say "awww what a great guy". 

 

And you know there were MANY that were trying to tell Karen from just after the airing of the last show to *take back her paycheck*!  She works a full time job and isn't allowed her paycheck?  And I swear that when Dr.Phil said this into the camera that he was saying it directly to us on the message boards who've been trying to tell her to TAKE CONTROL of your life!  he said "Rick still doesn't give her an allowance"  Karen is not Ricks kid to be giving her an allowance!  If it's really a sincere change this mani s trying to make then he will not fight it and if he does then he is not serious. 

 

He's said it's going to take time "I'm able to control myself and I'm not losing my temper" not losing his temper over what?  I thought he'd gone home and watched himself on TV and realized suddenly how "wrong he was and that she's a beautiful woman & I don't leave her lists of stuff to do anymore"  because he was wrong & yet he still has time that he's angry but "controling his temper"?  what is there to lose his temper about if he's realized she this great person all of a sudden? 

 

The whole thing is filled with a contradiction in terms and that's because it's not real......  

 

i do believe people have the ability to change but part of narcissism is that they *don't want to* not really and so when they *look to be trying* it's the escalationof the game and manipulation of the best kind they can muster.  Frankly Rick's isn't even that good & yet everyone seems to be taken in.. 

 

We all keep trying to tell Karen *direct deposit* to an account he does not have access to & when you see the bills you then give him thre quarters of the check to cover things and the rest goes into the emergency kitty.  If the emergency doesn't ever come then it's there for retirement. 

The way I see it, the "change" was just too quick for me to believe that the issues were worked through in depth.  As the old saying goes "if it seems too good to be true it probably is". It seems to me that alot of hard hard work would be necessary to correct problems as severe as this couple has, and that   there is not going to be a miracle light bulb that goes on and reforms this husband swiftly, and perhaps he will not be reformed at all, even with loads of counseling. I continue to wish Karen and her kids the best of luck and would ask her to tread cautiously, and make her first priority  to protect her kids and herself physically, financially and emotionally.
 
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