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Created on : Friday, April 04, 2008, 02:12:40 pm
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Have you ever had the nagging feeling that something wasn’t right with your relationship? Dr. Phil’s guests say they saw several red flags before they walked down the aisle, but they looked the other way and still said, “I do.” Randall and Shawn were happily married until Shawn discovered men’s magazines in her husband’s bag. Now Randall is out of the closet as a gay man, and he’s struggling to keep his family together. Shawn wants to know if they should stay married for their two pre-teen children or get a divorce. How are their kids handling the news that their father is gay? And, Natalie says she’s leaving if her husband, Robert, doesn’t change his lazy ways. She says he hasn’t worked in a year and watches TV all day while she works, cooks, cleans and pays bills. Robert says he’s pursuing his dream of writing a novel, but Natalie says the book is an excuse to sit on his butt all day. Is Robert a talented undiscovered writer or a freeloading husband? Share your thoughts here.

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April 10, 2008, 3:24 pm PDT

04/10 Marriage Dilemmas

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 Are you kidding? Of course people are going to offer their opinions. That is the point of this board.
And, since this board was created before the show aired, some people are going to post messages before watching.
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:28 pm PDT

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Well...just to give you a little update...

 

I left Robert three months later and as of last month we are now, finally, divorced!!!  He is still unemployed ...he managed to find a new girl to sponge from while he "Writes his book"

 

For me, I am in a fantastic relationship with someone who is kind and loving...and guess what?  He has a job!  I was so unhappy in that relationship and getting out was the best thing I could have ever done. 

 

Take care and best wished to all of you in your relationships!

 

Natalie

Way to go, girl!
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:30 pm PDT

Excuse me?

Dr. Phil,

Would you please provide me and your audience with the scientific research that proves homosexuality is hard-wired into certain people? I can't seem to find any concrete conclusions that go beyond theory on this subject ,and I'm sure with you being a leading expert and respected psycologist you would find it important to back up your comment with any such findings. Right? Seriously, if you make such statements, I'm sure you can (and would want to inform your viewers) how you can to your absolute conclusion.

 
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April 10, 2008, 3:33 pm PDT

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If someone wants to be gay, fine. But there are people out there who are actually questioning their homosexuality. I can say that because I know of one RIGHT NOW. What do you say to that individual? "oh why are you questioning? You were born that way. It's okay. Even though your doubting, push it aside. You've been gay for 10+ years. Keep going."

What do you say to those people? What response do you have for someone who once was gay and now is not? As I said, when you are that deep in sin you don't see it as a choice. You don't recall that first thought you had that lead you down that path.

(how many people are hurting inside?)

There are many reasons men and women start down that path. Poor relationship with their fathers, they were sexually abused as a child or in some women's cases they were sexually abused as an adult. Others just started with experimenting. Again I ask, what about persons who are bi-sexual? "Well you're um... homo-hetero-morphosexual. It's okay as long as you're happy and you feel good about yourself." Where they born bi-sexual?

I want the truth. Even if it hurts at first.


The same thing I would say to ANYONE else...think about what you want, think about what you need in life. Don't hurt other people and do what you can to make yourself happy.

Sexuality is not a black and white issue...It's a rainbow.
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:33 pm PDT

my husband is gay, too

After watching today's show about the couple who are in a marriage dilemma over the husband being gay, I had to post on this message board. I have been married for over 16 yrs. to a retired militay man and I am convinced that the only reason we got married was so he wouldn't get thrown out of the military and ruin his career.  I don't think my husband is ready to admit he is gay but the signs have been there since I first met him. He comes from a very judgemental upbringing. His father is an alcohalic, his mother is co-dependant. Our lives have always been separate. We had separate living arrangements since we first married. At any given time, he was always on a military mission, volunteering to go anywhere just to be away from home. In 16+ yrs., I don't think we have lived together more that 4 yrs. total. It wasn't so bad in the beginning as I have always been very strong and independant, quite capable of taking care of myself and living by myself. Now it is just getting very lonely and I find myself wondering what a close, physical, and loving relationship would be like. I feel I deserve to have that in my life.
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:35 pm PDT

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I have met so many people who claim to be bi-sexual but only sleep with members of the opposite sex when they are drunk. I am in recovery from alcoholism so these are people I know from my past. They said they would never do anything sexual with same sex gender when sober? How do you explain that? Are they still born with the desire but with a disclaimer of being drunk?
I don't understand your point...

Not all bisexual people are that way. I am bisexual and I am in a MONOGAMOUS healthy happy marriage to a MAN.
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:35 pm PDT

Yup

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I think that he admitted to being gay after magazines were found  in his car.  The show was not about his infidelity.  It did not say that he had a lover or was cheating on his wife.  Or did I miss that?
Yes. The show stated he has a boyfriend.
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:36 pm PDT

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Quote From: poppyseed454

                          Randal why would you do this to your WIFE?

SHAM SHAM SHAM!!!!!

             How could you do this to your kids?

 

And what about AIDS???????????????

I would be so upset to think that my hubby was sleeping with a norther dam man.

And think about him putting his hands on me or even kissing me and thinking he had

some one other than me on his dam lips!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How sick and I would kick him out.

I am sorry it is a sin and and god will get you for this. 

                I have a brother that is gay and it still makes  me ANGRY!!

POOR KIDS!

                                    I would be upset ! it was bad when my real dad

was all ways sleeping with other women and he went to bed with a man.

I could never forgive him for that.

my mom did divorce him.

I hope that the kids will be OK but it really is not OK.

And Dr Phil and what are you thinking of?

THE KIDS ARE BEING HURT NOT THE PARENTS!

                                                                                   Kitty 3  Cat 15

Your brother is gay and you are angry? Why does it anger you?
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:36 pm PDT

the orientation deception

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Thank you for your input...since you are Shawne, the wife of this man, you should know what you are talking about. I understood you to say you did know he was gay...but, you say you didn't so I can't argue with that.

 

Men CAN learn to (and be good at) sewing, cooking, etc. without being gay!  My son is a great example of that. Because I worked so much and raised my kids alone, he HAD to learn to iron and do laundry if he wanted clean clothes, go grocery shopping, help with household chores, and cook, and so did his two sisters! (he didn't do any sewing, but only because it wasn't necessary.)

 

 I let him know that she who possesses the "inside plumbing" is not automatically locked into domestic chores any more than he who owns the "outside plumbing" is entitled to be coddled and waited on!! 

 

 I taught him to do these things so he could be independent. A man does not have to be gay to do things like this. More mothers ought to teach their sons not to be lazy oafs around the house and expect to be exempt from helping out significantly!  I didn't want him to get married just to have some woman take care of him!

 

He and his wife have been happily married for 26 years and she loves it that he's a help rather than a burden around the house. He owns his own successful business and is very busy with that, his wife works 40 hours a week, too...so they both help each other with everything.

 

I'm sorry your husband deceived you about his sexual orientation....that stinks! And I know you wouldn't trade your children for anything....but, if you would have known ahead of time the truth about him, I don't think you would have chosen to have children with him. He owed you the opportunity to have made that choice. That's all I'm saying.

 

Also, if you read my post, you surely saw that I said the exact same thing as you: "God made these people the way they are, and God doesn't make mistakes!!"

 

I wish you both well.

 

 

 I do agree with this post, right to the end..."God doesn't make mistakes" 
As far as the deception about his sexual orientation...yes, it does stink, BUT it is the judgemental society we live in that causes people to hide their sexual  orientation out of fear and shame when they are not the "prefered" orientation ...straight. Sexuality is NOT a choice.
 
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April 10, 2008, 3:37 pm PDT

I'm Sorry...

Quote From: hap_e_ness

Hi I'm new to this site, but needed some advice. There are a lot of changes going on in my life and it's hard for me to keep things straight. My 3yo son was diagnosed with leukemia in Jan 08, he's doing pretty well. Lots of time away from home. I have a 26yo boyfriend (father of my son) and 2 daughters from my 1st marriage (ages 12 & 9).  I recently resigned from my job to care for my son. That was a very hard change for me since i loved my job and have always been the sole bread winner in our home. So i am sharing the reigns with my bf. Anyway, my main concern is trust. My bf hasn't had the best history holding down a job, however he's been doing very well over the last year. I recently found out that he had been calling a girl that he use to "talk" to online and over the phone. I am a jealous gf so we had agreed prior that we wouldn't talk to associate ourselves with the opposite sex unless they were mutual friends. When i confronted him regarding the phone calls and texts he said i wasn't his mother and that he can pick his own friends. Not quite the response i was looking to get. I am really trying to make this relationship work, but i can't trust him right now. I even asked him for his email passwords, explaining why i wanted them. It took me 2 weeks to get enough "balls" to ask him because i was so afraid he would blow up on me. Which he did! He said he was leaving me and done ? I don't know what to do! Is it me doing something wrong or are there under lying issues here?

 

Help!!

He won't change unless motivated to do so.  If you leave him, that might be the motivation he needs.  If it's not, you're better off facing the reality now than years down the road.
 
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