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Topic : 04/11 Women Beware!

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Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? Talk about the show here.

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April 11, 2008, 2:53 pm PDT

AM I THE ONLY ONE???

Am I the only woman in the world who has ever used a guy just for a physical relationship??  It's tiring to constantly hear that women have all of these emotions and are seemingly unable to just let themselves go without getting attached.  It's an annoying stereotype that women who have sex with a man are automatically the ones that are in love and chasing him.  It's a pathetic connotation.  I felt when I watched the show that it was all about warning women because we aren't capable of doing anything like this to a man. 

 

I'm in a loving relationship now, but I know I def. had a period in my life where I just wanted to use these guys for sex without getting emotional in any way.  I didn't want money either.  It was just me being a sexual person and wanting to express it without getting all emotional. I actually had physical relationships that lasted a couple of years that were amazing!!  It was almost a reversed situation because a couple of the guys were the ones that actually developed the emotions and then I would just end our intimate meetings when it got to that point. 

 

I feel like I can't be the only person to have done this in the world and I just wish that more women would throw their feelings to the wind and let loose sometimes.  Don't let these damn men hold all of the cards all of the time!  We have the same if not more power and I feel like any guy that needs to take a class to learn how to talk to women is pathetic. 

 
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April 11, 2008, 2:53 pm PDT

being yourself

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I agree with you! I think those things are STUPID.  Wearing a push up bra for the only purpose of trying to make your breasts seem deceptively large is STUPID.

If you have a real issue with not being able to be yourself in public then many you need therapy...but you don't need a course on how to knock a woman down a notch just to make yourself seem suddenly interesting and other such silly mind games.

What could be easier than being yourself?  It must take alot more effort to try to be something that you are not rather than to just be the person that you are.  Back in my dating days I could never stand the guys who put on some phony act or who would show off to try to be impressive.  Oh they were impressive all right but not in the way they wanted to be!!   I would much rather be with someone who just acted naturally.  And I know that that is why my first date with my eventual husband was the best first date I ever went on.  There was a naturalness about him and no airs and I felt very very comfortable with him.  There were no games, but lots of interesting conversation and a few goood laughs as well.  I knew I wanted to continue the relationship, and within several months I knew that this was the person I wanted to marry. Thirty plus years later, this natural, no-game-playing guy and I are still together and happily married.

 

I've got to say, I watched about ten minutes of this show and that was more than enough time to waste on those idiots on there.  Why should anyone need a rules book or advice on how to manipulate someone?  Just BE YOURSELF!  If you aren't, it is going to show up pretty quickly. 

 
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April 11, 2008, 2:57 pm PDT

The two guys are not being completely honest

I can barely contain myself when it comes to today's topic!  The reality show, "The Pick up Artist" hosted and based on Mystery's methods, shows dialogue and examples of deception and how to get laid, etc. Mystery even says "he was back in the woman's hotel room" in no time. I know men who have "graduated" in this method and they DO NOT care about the woman's response to these stories in the bars and they are taught "canned" stories or questions...It shoes this on the reality show last year!  The guys who participated even to this day continue to brag about how much they have had sex and how they have tricked women on their MY SPACE pages, take a look. They do insult women and I used to be a believer in helping men be confident, but this absolutely does not do this, it teaches them to be predators...The best way to meet a women is to actually listen to them and be interested in them for the right reasons, that way the connection will be authentic!  The older gentleman that wrote "Speed Seduction", is at least being honest. I mean the other guys from Mystery's group are not being truthful. The evidence of this is public record on last year's reality show!  As a single woman, I am steamed!!! It's hard enough for women to maintain confidence when they are compared to magazines, models, and actresses, which are not reminiscent of an average woman.
 
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April 11, 2008, 2:58 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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There is definitely something to that quote from the Marquis de Sade!! Just look at all the women who fall for these absolute loser, ignorant abusive men who START OUT using these methods and manipulating the women, jerking them like puppets, and then ramping it up until they are controlling them in many other ways. The worse these women are treated, the better the women seem to like it. How messed up is that!?

Women who accept these push/pull techniques are on an unhappy path.

 

Personally, I hate mind games and will cut anyone off at the knees who tries that tactic with me. It's insulting to my intelligence. Men who use manipulation to "get" women often become abusers because they love the power and control. They see women as conquests. 

 

I used to work with abused women....nothing was more frustrating!! You'd get them and their kids into a secure women's shelter, arrange for continuing security to allow them to permanently get out of the abusive situation,  jump through hoops to make sure they were safe, (often at great personal danger to yourself) and what was the first thing they did as soon as they got settled in? Call the worthless piece of crap who abused them AND their kids, and tell him where they were so he could come and get them! Not only did these dummies put themselves and their kids back in danger, but they endangered the rest of the women in the shelter who were serious about getting away from their abusers.

 

I will NEVER understand that mind-set! I lived through the horror of an abusive husband when I was just 16 and had a small son....it only took two episodes before I got the heck out of there! ...and guess what? The abuse started out as what I call "mind-f***ing...the push/pull technique. Anyone who gets off by messing with another's mind is seriously disturbed!!

The people who teach these things discourage what you're describing. Just because abusive people use a tactic (and to be abusive, they're really not using the tactic correctly), doesn't mean that using a tactic leads you down the road of becoming abusive. It's a total nonsense to suggest that.

People who think women only like money, and other beliefs like this -- beliefs that are ridiculed by seduction & dating coaches, -- those are the guys who will eventually become abusive once they get a girl. And those people with those beliefs are the ones who have really been mind-screwed.
 
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April 11, 2008, 3:04 pm PDT

you aren't attractive?

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 I find this show revolting and in general, it seems to me that Dr. Phil is letting his inherent sexism come to the surface more and more.  All these guys can talk about is how they are looking for "attractive" women in bars.  What about women who don't fit the blonde barbie-doll stereotypical look epitomized by the two women they had as guests?  What about looking for a woman who is intelligent?  Kind?  Interesting?  Successful?  I could go on and on, but the only adjective I'm hearing is "attractive", obviously as defined in a narrow, conventional, gag-inducing way.
Since when does "attractive" mean "barbie doll"?

I always thought attractive meant that you possessed attributes that others liked...and were attracted to.  When I talk about someone being attractive, sure, physical appearance is usually part of it, but there's plenty more to it than that.

I'm sure plenty of guys would agree a pretty girl who is rude and obnoxious is not exactly "attractive."
 
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April 11, 2008, 3:05 pm PDT

Honestly women have the upper hand always

 I am single and I am aware that when I go out there is always some guy who has some plan to pick up women.

Women also do this we are just better at it, it is like closing a sale at work, introduction, discovery, details, overcoming objections, attempted close, use answers from discovery to give you the upper hand, and close the deal. 

You could also say it is like interviewing for a job, you put together a good resume, you show up in a nice suit, you tell the hiring manager how great you are, you never share skeletons in your closet,  you show up on time.

It the same as dating or picking up guys, women always have the choice if they are interested in a man and want to take them home as long as they are single a man doesn't stand a chance.

 So why not let men waste their money and pay someone to teach them how to pick up ladies!

 
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April 11, 2008, 3:10 pm PDT

Push up bra!?

Come on! The men on the show are disgusting! Ok not so much Dr. Phill except for the fact that he tried to compare a female's fashion sense to some sort of fishing expedition! Women have been trained for years

on how to look and do not feel they can go out with out one of many things- cute shoes, make up, bra (unless they have fakes) or a fancy hand bag . No one single entity has trained the female being to look a certain way! Maybe the fashion Magazines should have been on the show. As far as the classes haha blah

totally sick- what happens after all the moves are done? Dead silence? Sex? It is not about finding the 'ONE' just hooking up and MOST women don't want to 'just hook up'.

 
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April 11, 2008, 3:13 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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There are ways to learn to be good at them. One way was to have a family and/or friends that taught you by example. Another way is to find a mentor who can teach you.

The other alternative is to get wrong ideas about women, such as Canada_88 has. And that attitude will lead him in the wrong direction.
General self improvement is always a good idea...but learning superficial manipulations is not. That will lead you in the wrong direction.
 
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April 11, 2008, 3:21 pm PDT

MEN

This is about friday's show on men controlling the behavior of women.   I have dated this man for only a couple weeks and he started talking about marriage and you know i'm poor, does that matter.  well his whole conversation has been un-natural.  I've have felt that he is leading me into his web.  He has been very nice about it.  But it scares me on how obsorbed he is with me .

What is the name of this head game that was mentioned on the show.  He had mentioned that his brother was into hipnosis.  I just wonder.....

 
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April 11, 2008, 3:22 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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Come on! The men on the show are disgusting! Ok not so much Dr. Phill except for the fact that he tried to compare a female's fashion sense to some sort of fishing expedition! Women have been trained for years

on how to look and do not feel they can go out with out one of many things- cute shoes, make up, bra (unless they have fakes) or a fancy hand bag . No one single entity has trained the female being to look a certain way! Maybe the fashion Magazines should have been on the show. As far as the classes haha blah

totally sick- what happens after all the moves are done? Dead silence? Sex? It is not about finding the 'ONE' just hooking up and MOST women don't want to 'just hook up'.

Sex is the point of any romantic relationship. And most women do "just want to hook-up", at least during some part of their lives. And most of the guys who learn seduction do want to eventually marry a good woman.
 
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