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Created on : Friday, April 04, 2008, 02:15:24 pm

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Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? Talk about the show here.

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canada_88

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April 11, 2008, 1:18 pm PDT

truth about dateing

hi all this talking about guys or girls think is good and all we think we know what this side thinks that side thinks but the truth really is this world is run buy money and thats that.true i only tryd dateing 3 times but thay didnt work and i look at other people what hapind to them and my parints and the 1 thing that thay all had in comin is money so iv tryd dateing at 21 it startid and endid there iv bin singal sins then im 25 now and i dont plan on dateing ever couse it doseint mater what you look like or you like this and that or your a nice guy/girl its just how much money do you have and are you willing to give it away evin thow you dont say that out loud thats what it comes down to money money money . i dont like that thats how the world is but you cant change the world you can only lern how to get buy in it.

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justnancy

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April 11, 2008, 1:30 pm PDT

Treating women like dogs!

I didn't quite get where this Ross guy was coming from, which is probably not a good sign. I get real uneasy when people are 'explaining' things in a way that offers no illumination. Also, I get real uneasy when someone tries to tell me that manipulation is not necessarily a bad thing ~ and maybe that's just because I value being real too much.

I'm not a mental health worker or anything and I've been happily married for almost 12 years so I haven't dated in awhile, but I don't think I'd like the idea of a guy doing some kind of ~ what was it ~ neurolinguistic conditioning? Sounds very sneaky! True, women do wear pushup bras, but, men at least know that women are going to gussy up before a date. Men do their share of that kind of stuff, too. This guy Ross is just treating women like Pavlovian dogs, and, those other guys, the younger ones, they're just treating women like DOGS, period!

This whole push/pull technique is, without question, effective. Flatter and degrade. It reminds me very much of a quote from Marquis de Sade who may be the true father of the murky art of speed seduction. He said, "I've already told you: the only way to a woman's heart is along the path of torment. I know none other as sure."

I know, Ross disowned the progeny who are openly operating in that. And, it's hard to say who is doing what, because we aren't getting a lot of straight answers. Ross is definitely an intriguing man, but he spoke with kind of an anticlarity.

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PennyLane78

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April 11, 2008, 1:31 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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Yes, guys should dare not make you laugh, tease you playfully, get your emotions involved in the conversation, nor do any fun stuff at all -- that would be screwing with your mind, right?

By that standard, push-up bras screw with men's minds, women should stop wearing deceptive underwear.

Be yourself is great. If you are an interesting person, who knows how to not "be your self", but express yourself to others. If you don't already know how to do that, then being yourself is the worst advice in the world for you, whether you're a guy or girl.

I agree with you! I think those things are STUPID. Wearing a push up bra for the only purpose of trying to make your breasts seem deceptively large is STUPID.

If you have a real issue with not being able to be yourself in public then many you need therapy...but you don't need a course on how to knock a woman down a notch just to make yourself seem suddenly interesting and other such silly mind games.

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hyphup

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April 11, 2008, 1:35 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

Quote From: canada_88

hi all this talking about guys or girls think is good and all we think we know what this side thinks that side thinks but the truth really is this world is run buy money and thats that.true i only tryd dateing 3 times but thay didnt work and i look at other people what hapind to them and my parints and the 1 thing that thay all had in comin is money so iv tryd dateing at 21 it startid and endid there iv bin singal sins then im 25 now and i dont plan on dateing ever couse it doseint mater what you look like or you like this and that or your a nice guy/girl its just how much money do you have and are you willing to give it away evin thow you dont say that out loud thats what it comes down to money money money . i dont like that thats how the world is but you cant change the world you can only lern how to get buy in it.

This is exactly the sort of thinking that seduction tactics stop. No, you do not need to be rich to get good girls. Trying to date 3 times? Yep, I guess if it doesn't work the first few times, it will never ever work. Huh?

Date more. Learn how to date and how to be an interesting guy. If you think that money is the only thing that will get you a good girl, you will never have a good relationship.

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freethinka

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April 11, 2008, 1:36 pm PDT

c'mon now

Gimme a break- woman deceive men to get what they want ALL THE TIME. There is NO difference- if women are stupid enough to believe men's corny lines then they are stupid. I was single until I was 30 and met many, many men. It's easy for women for us girls to go up to a guy we think is cute and start talking to him- but it's hard for men. We women need to stop this BS "Godess" and "Diva" crap and GET REAL and GET OVER OURSELVES!

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bonbon74

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April 11, 2008, 1:37 pm PDT

Where is the Color?

Dr. Phil, I would really love to know where the women of color were in that bar? Am I to believe that no variety of women, WHITE and BLOND could be accessed for this trial run in a bar? It may help to have more of a vantage point to judge what we are watching, Yes? You do know that women and men of color do watch you show and it would be nice to see us represented as well in both the seminar and in the experiment after.

I am in the middle of watching the show right now and I thought that seminar and the bar experiments were wonderful. It is nice to know that there are guys out there who are willing to go the extra mile, as long as their opening is about "their" stories and who "they" really are, of course.

I was just very insulted that I saw 2 blonds being spoken to in abar, as well interviewed on stage and then yet another blond being questioned in the audience.

One would think we live in a nation of blond people or is that bottle-blond people? Has Obama taught you nothing?

O YOUR JOB WITH A LITTLE LESS EXCLUSION, if you don't mind!

BonnieAnn

Angry, and underrepresented

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hyphup

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April 11, 2008, 1:39 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

Quote From: wonderwomanvt

Don't be so certain you can't be duped. I know a man (married) who is always on the prowl for women he can prey on for sex. It's not the sex that gives him the feelings of power, but their act of submission and how easily and quickly they fall for his words and have sex with him. What makes it really bad is he doesn't use condoms and these women don't insist on it. They believe he really cares for them, and he thinks they are "stupid bitches" for falling for his ways. Some of these women are teachers and nurses, and don't insist on condoms!

He's out there and he knows a victim when he sees them. He comes across as a very nice and pleasant person, but he's out to lie and deceive his way into your pants and be gone or use you until he's moved on for more free sex with another victim.

I find it interesting that you use the phrase "free sex". Implying that sex requires money, just as Canada_88 did.

Mystery Method, Ross Jeffries, and most seduction & dating coaches, encourage the use of condoms.

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hyphup

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April 11, 2008, 1:43 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

Quote From: PennyLane78

I agree with you! I think those things are STUPID. Wearing a push up bra for the only purpose of trying to make your breasts seem deceptively large is STUPID.

If you have a real issue with not being able to be yourself in public then many you need therapy...but you don't need a course on how to knock a woman down a notch just to make yourself seem suddenly interesting and other such silly mind games.

Some people definately do need some psychotherapy.

But most people who are bad at dating and relationships, simply never learned how to be good at them. Never learned how to be a fun and charming, and social and sexy person.

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PennyLane78

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April 11, 2008, 1:46 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

Quote From: freethinka

So two wrongs make a right?

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smuzta

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April 11, 2008, 1:48 pm PDT

Background Checks

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Why can't women or men go to the police dept and request a back ground check on people they are worried about or get a gut feeling things are not quite right. This should be public records.

Women can do background checks online. I do them for every guy I date for more than two dates. Check the internet for the county government sites for all the counties near you. Almost every county will have a way you can search outstanding warrants, civil court records, criminal court records, marriage and divorce records, etc. Also, go to the central appraisal district sites for those counties and you can do a search by owner name to determine what properties the person owns. Finally, go to http://bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp to search and see if they've ever been in Federal prison.

You'd be amazed what you'll find. I let every guy know that I'll be doing a background check on them. Yet, I've had some still lie to me about being divorced when they haven't even filed for a divorce yet. I still don't understand why they'd lie when they know I'll catch them in it. One guy lied to me about where he went to high school (I acted like a potential employer and called the school and colleges he claimed he graduated from to confirm his graduation dates). If he'll lie to me about something so simple, what else would he lie about?

One caveat here is that, if they aren't using their real name, you won't find much on the person. As well, if they've lived in other states or counties you don't know about, you won't find that information. Unfortunately, there isn't one central database of information. Sometimes, if I really like the guy and decide to invest time in the relationship, I'll even hire a private investigator to see what he can find.

But, the best advice is to just go with your gut. If his story seems fishy, you should just listen to your gut and trust it. Back off and find someone else.

Good luck in your search. There truly are good guys out there!

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