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Topic : 04/11 Women Beware!

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Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? Talk about the show here.

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April 11, 2008, 6:39 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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The only logical explanation I can offer to this abombination of a love technique is its creators, Nick and Scott, got so burned in past romances, maybe even marriages, that they created this technique as means over getting revenge, getting back what women stole from them.  I don't know what to say about this except this is so pathetic, it's not even funny.

 

What the hell is up with you two?  Do you think women are so spoiled and materialistic, that women treat men as if they're made of money?  Let me tell you that while SOME do, that doesn't count for ALL women.  Let me guess, you picked up a few golddiggers in your lives, and now you want some of that money back.  There are more subtle ways of getting it, like getting jobs.  Look at all the men out there who put their profiles on Internet dating sites looking for love, relationships and marriage.  Or do you think they're suckers?  Whatever, I'll bet they'd be embarrassed at what you're doing, and they'd rather take instructions from cartoon characters on how to pick up and date women.  All I know is I haven't gotten into the dating game, and yet I am turned off by what you have to offer.  Let me tell you right now, I want no part of it.

 

I'm just starting work on a novel, and in that novel, my protagonist is a young man who becomes a controversial radio personality.  SPOILER: He gets so burned in his marriage (his wife will cheat on him constantly throughout their whole marriage, and even give birth to a baby that he finds out is not his) that when he gets divorced, not only does he swear off women ("The only women I can trust now are those I can't legally marry!") and devote much of his time to the children that ARE his, but he also goes on an anti-female tirade, claiming that all women will treat their husbands and boyfriends the same as he was treated.  He would even agree to have "Romeo and Juliet" barred from the high school English curriculum, calling it "a stupid, overrated play."  Still, I would have to be crazy to make him come up with something like this.  Can't make my plot unrealistic, now can we?

 

I'm so glad that Ross Jefferies, the Father of Seduction, has seen the err of his ways, and I can't wait to see him rip some new ones to you.

 

"Women Beware" is right.  These are not men who value women, marriage or families (don't know about children, though,) and crap like this is the reason why marriage and families continue to be out of vogue in 2008, after all these years.  You should be ashamed of yourselves! 

I am an active member of the seduction/dating/male empowerment arena and it resembles none of the vile you attempt to speak. Your overt ignorance is what screams from this bastardized post. What's more pathetic are men who would rather trade thier masculinity for woman's affirmation, I see this in you. There are bad apples in every bunch. I'll bet you visit LoveShack and throw yourself at the whims of those wiley women too?

 

You can have it. I teach my students to become the absolute best MEN they can become. The most mature, self assured, determined men. With vision and clarity of purpose who bend to no one and with whom other men touch the hem of thier opinion.

 

There is some surrepticious nature within the seduction community but the greater good is to allow men to reach thier highest potential. This is my goal.

 

How's that glass house buddy?

 
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April 11, 2008, 6:49 pm PDT

perpetuating subordinate gender roles

Generally, as a fan of the Dr. Phil show, I usually feel that I gain insight by watching the show, I don’t always agree with the content – but apart from shouting out my criticisms to the television set – I don’t feel the express need to share my slight disapprovals…until today. I really was in shock, I couldn’t believe just what I was hearing. We are talking about a women’s rights issue here; the right to make free choices. This is why I found the show titled “Women Beware” essentially problematic.

First off I would like to share the concept of coercion. When group (A) manipulates group (B’s) situation, then presents a series of options of which the most beneficial to group (B) also happens to be the most beneficial to group (A), the stage is set for coercion to occur. It is coercion if that option would not have been chosen by the subordinate group had the situation not been changed by the dominant group. In other words group (A) manipulates group (B’s) situation in order to benefit as an individual even if it is at the ultimate cost of group (B). That is coercion, and it is a control tactic used in a variety of situations. Most often when women are in violent relationships they stay because they choose to stay and they choose to stay because the aggressor(s) has assured her that is her best option, since serious repercussions could follow if she left. Some would wonder if in that situation if she really has a free choice at all or if she is isolated in the confines of the coercive nature of the relationship. Here is where I - and hopefully all proud, strong and free North American women - find injustice in the message of this particular show.

On the show there were a series of men who trained other men in control and manipulation techniques. The targets of these techniques? - single women. They were unknowingly placed in manufactured situations in which the male tries through coercive control tactics to manufacture a desired result from the female. This is an injustice that should strike the core of every woman. Women have made great strides to political personhood and equality in our work, cultural and social settings, but today I saw women clapping and laughing at the “harmless” “pick-up techniques”. We have to look at the larger picture, the real fundamental nature of this behaviour. Men are being taught that the way toward a relationship, meaningful or not (apparently that’s the man’s choice), is through manipulation and control. These kinds of messages have been perpetuated by men through recorded human history to gain control over women. These kinds of messages perpetuate violence and control over the lives and choices of women. Through media and interactions in everyday life men learn these patterns of control. When these patterns are naturalized by saying it is like women “putting on makeup” there arises a serious problem of not only men believing that type behaviour is acceptable but that women believe it is their role to accept it. When a concept is naturalized we fail to see that it is not a natural construct but rather a human construct. Men already control so many aspects of women’s lives which present serious negative psychological and even physical effects. This is just one support in the structure which unfortunately restricts women today in North America. On a show that caters to a primary demographic of women I hope that we can make our voices heard, ask yourself, how would you feel if a man used tactics to control and manipulate your emotions and situation without your knowledge? How would you feel if it were someone you currently trust? Don’t change your minds now.

 If someone started up an internet web page on how to control a racial, ethnic or religious group as long as it is seemingly doesn’t damage the individual is that ok too? After all we are not only talking about the white targeted women from the show, but women as a whole, all around the world, all religions and ethnicities. We have to ask, is this something that should be condoned by Dr Phil on national television? Is this something that doesn’t affect the psyches of men and women viewers? Does he have an ethical responsibility not to perpetuate archaic gender notions based on the belief that it is acceptable for men to control women for their own benefit - to viewers all around the world? Are these ideas that we - as an empowered and informed minority group - will allow to be perpetuated without a voice? We need to ask some hard questions first of which is WHY?

p.s. My mother (having survived through coercive, abusive and controlling relationships) is curious to know what public outcry and derogratory names women would recieve for doing the same thing?

                                --Kimberley J. Inglis

 
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April 11, 2008, 6:56 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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I am an active member of the seduction/dating/male empowerment arena and it resembles none of the vile you attempt to speak. Your overt ignorance is what screams from this bastardized post. What's more pathetic are men who would rather trade thier masculinity for woman's affirmation, I see this in you. There are bad apples in every bunch. I'll bet you visit LoveShack and throw yourself at the whims of those wiley women too?

 

You can have it. I teach my students to become the absolute best MEN they can become. The most mature, self assured, determined men. With vision and clarity of purpose who bend to no one and with whom other men touch the hem of thier opinion.

 

There is some surrepticious nature within the seduction community but the greater good is to allow men to reach thier highest potential. This is my goal.

 

How's that glass house buddy?

Men who need to be taught how to be men....lol The best men are the ones who simply try to be a good PERSON.
 
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April 11, 2008, 6:58 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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Now here is a guy who creeps me out. I do not know any women in my circle who would give this guy a second look. They would run. Nothing he said could ever even come close to seduces me. He is mostly a BS artist. The end!!

Your right,  women know BS when they hear it!!  (well most women) Men have been tring to teach eachother forever, how to get a woman in bed.  nothing new...

 
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April 11, 2008, 7:48 pm PDT

Big CON!

All of these guys are such a con. Why can't people just be honest and present themselves as they really are and have a decent conversation. All this is game playing and this is no way to present yourself to another person. No wonder there are so many divorces. These people all end up getting married and right after the honeymoon, the real person shows up and no one wants THAT! Be real!

 
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April 11, 2008, 8:10 pm PDT

So Right

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All of these guys are such a con. Why can't people just be honest and present themselves as they really are and have a decent conversation. All this is game playing and this is no way to present yourself to another person. No wonder there are so many divorces. These people all end up getting married and right after the honeymoon, the real person shows up and no one wants THAT! Be real!

Like you-I dont understand why people dont just "get real" and present themselves they way they really are.  If someone you meet doesnt like that, then it is a waste of everyone's time to keep on trying to be something you arent.  Also, I dont think looking to meet someone special in a bar, starts things out on a good foot.  We are judged by how we conduct ourselves and where we are seen.  Yes this may be old fashioned, but at 63, no one of the opposite sex can ever honestly say, that I conducted myself as less that the lady that I was raised to be.  I just happen to be proud of that.
 
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April 11, 2008, 8:18 pm PDT

women wake up!!!!!!!!

oh my god lol lol lol, men's brain never relax about the women, in america they cannot attake woman phisicly and now they fug the brein of this poor women,it is enough already to dominate the women,  i am from ex soviet union and  there is not law to protect the women, here is strong protection wich is so pawerfull but some jurks turn to brain abusers, and women must know that that  most man want power over the women   
 
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April 11, 2008, 8:22 pm PDT

women wake up!!!!!!!!

oh my god lol lol lol, men's brain never relax about the women, in america they cannot attake woman phisicly and now they fug the brein of this poor women,it is enough already to dominate the women,  i am from ex soviet union and  there is not law to protect the women, here is strong protection wich is so pawerfull but some jurks turn to brain abusers, and women must know that that  most man want power over the women   
 
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April 11, 2008, 8:25 pm PDT

women of Color

Quote From: bonbon74

Dr. Phil, I would really love to know where the women of color were in that bar?  Am I to believe that no variety of women, WHITE and BLOND could be accessed for this trial run in a bar? It may help to have more of a vantage point to judge what we are watching, Yes? You do know that women and men of color do watch you show and it would be nice to see us represented as well in both the seminar and in the experiment after. 

 

I am in the middle of watching the show right now and I thought that seminar and the bar experiments were wonderful.  It is nice to know that there are guys out there who are willing to go the extra mile, as long as their opening is about "their" stories and who "they" really are, of course. 

 

I was just very insulted that I saw 2 blonds being spoken to in abar, as well interviewed on stage and then yet another blond being questioned in the audience. 

 

One would think we live in a nation of blond people or is that bottle-blond people?  Has Obama taught you nothing?

 

O YOUR JOB WITH A LITTLE LESS EXCLUSION, if you don't mind!

 

BonnieAnn

Angry, and underrepresented

Honey, you must  understand that "women of color" are only attractive to "men of color."  Sorry about that girl but its true.  You have to stick to your own kind. Guys, well that's another story .  Hot stuff for some white women.  Sorry about the competition, but its the truth!
 
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April 11, 2008, 8:40 pm PDT

Victoria/Ross Jeffries

It's hard to believe the story about Victoria. She must have lots of money to be able to give him about $100,000 over a short period of time. Everything pointed to the fact that he was scamming her. Was she that desperate for a man. A long time ago, when I was young and first started dating, I borrowed a small amount of money to a fellow that I had just met. (It was only something like $10).   I told my sister and she hit the roof and said he was not interested in me but the money I borrowed to him. She said i would probably never see him again, and she was right. That's why I never borrowed money to a man again. Wow, $100,000.  Also, not to be mean or anything like that, but did you ever see the women that football players date or marry.  These woman are usually very gorgeous.

 

That Ross Jeffries gave me the creeps.

Thanks

 
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