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Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? Talk about the show here.

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PennyLane78

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April 12, 2008, 5:42 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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Hey we have the RULES BOOK on how to get a man. There are even classes on how to hook a man. There are classes on how to kiss. There are hundreds of books addressed to women to hook a millionnaire. Which places are the best to hook a millionaire etc etc.

So if women are doing the same thing..I don't see what is wrong with men doing the same thing. Women use this power to get what they want and probably leave broken hearts and penniless men along the way.

It's harder for men to get a man than a woman. So some men are using it to invalidate women, women are doing the same thing. So what's the fuss about?

Men and women get fleeced all the time..it's not a new thing. It's there since the world was made.

So I think it's a big fuss over nothing..women are just getting the same thing they are doing to men.

"So if women are doing the same thing..I don't see what is wrong with men doing the same thing."

Is that REALLY the world you want to live in? Tit for tat? Two wrongs make a right?

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PennyLane78

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April 12, 2008, 5:46 pm PDT

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I feel completely disturbed about the thematics concerned within this episode of, women beware.

The true thematic of this episode is that men and women have culturaly evolved apart for so long that they can no-longer truely communicate with one-another - their ideologies have become too foreign between one-another.

I completely understand why men alike would try to educate themselves to do with approaching women; speaking and/or approaching women these days is like trying to decipher some comprehensive code.

And requires far too much time and effort in understanding on men's part. I just do not understand why women in general could make an equally appreciable effort to relate to men to do with the introductions.

If men and women are truely equal in all things valued, then it would only be logical that women begin to appreciate men for who they have become as individuals.

Societaly, there needs to be common ground re-established.

No more thematic feminism that dictates women have and will be screwed and therefore deserve the best of all things, a society that worships beautiful women in all its propagandic forms, and economics being the perferred value only giving reason for men and women to fight.

(as a dark note, I find it patheticaly sad that so many women can be swayed by words alone - they cannot be all that gullible.)

Aside from economics - what do women want ? What is at the base (the very root of it all?)

"speaking and/or approaching women these days is like trying to decipher some comprehensive code."

I resent this. Not all women are like that. I am certainly not like that. Maybe that's why I am happily married. LOL But, if one meets a woman like this, why continue on? Look someplace else!

Your whole post is offensive in general towards women. Not all women are self centered high maintenance spoiled brats. Some are...but not all of them.

And what do women want? You think that there is a broad answer that every woman will agree with? HELLO! Women are individuals. Nothing in your post says anything other than you believe they are all the same.

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rnc4life

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April 12, 2008, 6:28 pm PDT

right on!

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It's harder for men to get a man than a woman. So some men are using it to invalidate women, women are doing the same thing. So what's the fuss about?

Men and women get fleeced all the time..it's not a new thing. It's there since the world was made.

So I think it's a big fuss over nothing..women are just getting the same thing they are doing to men.

THANK YOU! exactly my point! the neg is no way something a guy tries to "hurt" a girl or destory her "confidence". it is basically flirting. women are taught with "playing hard to get" , "only go on one date per week" or something. it is basicall a two sided game that we play. some know the rules better and some don't. and yes, men want to have sex. IS THAT REALLY A BAD and BRAND NEW DISCOVERY?? in fact, we are all sexually driven, it is in the DNA. animals are built this way. but because it is a lot easier for men to reproduce, i suppose we want it more whears women have to be more careful about it due to all the potential consequences of child bearing.

last comment about the woman who got scammed. no offence, she got scammed cuz she is sad and lonely. probably never really dated her entire life. go stick with a work out routine and life for her would be a lot better. cuz i think she is smart and funny, two of the really important qualities a man seeks aside from being good looking.

p.s, so what about millions of cases when a girl would buy things out of a guy's credit card then dump him to sleep with the jock?? is that so socially accepted that is not worth mentioning anymore??

a show in the end is a show, let's not think dr.phil is completely real life. he needs certain elements to make it interesting and entertaining.

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April 12, 2008, 6:54 pm PDT

I know Victoria...

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It never ceases to amaze me how people allow themselves to be victims. I mean Victoria had all these red and yellow flashing WARNING signs right in front of her face and yet continued to let this guy victimize her. I mean c'mon........I don't mean to be rude here and I apologize ahead of time of how this is going to sound, but why would a Dallas Cowboy be interested in dating her?? I consider myself an average looking guy and that would be like me thinking a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader was interested in me!!!! Let's use some common sense here people!!!!

I actually know this woman. She may be "average" buy Hollywood standards (or yours), but she's got a heart of gold. This creep saw it and manipulated her for almost a year before she helped him out. She always says if one woman, or even man, got the message and sought help, then making her story public was worth it. There is soooooooo much more to what he did to her than five minutes on a TV show can tell you. She was emotionally and mentally abused by this creep. Maybe she wasn't confident in her ability to be worth love before, but she is such a strong person. I admire her for taking this risk, doing this to take control of her life again and being a warning to help other women.

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vickyrose

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April 12, 2008, 6:58 pm PDT

the website...

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Does anyone know the website for Victoria's story? I have a friend sounds like the same exact story with a guy she met in Vegas and said he was a NFL player.

I think she took it down after a year as part of the healing process. But, you can email her at savemybrokenheart@gmail.com. She taped the show in October 2006...

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April 12, 2008, 7:09 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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Dr. Phil, I would really love to know where the women of color were in that bar? Am I to believe that no variety of women, WHITE and BLOND could be accessed for this trial run in a bar? It may help to have more of a vantage point to judge what we are watching, Yes? You do know that women and men of color do watch you show and it would be nice to see us represented as well in both the seminar and in the experiment after.

I am in the middle of watching the show right now and I thought that seminar and the bar experiments were wonderful. It is nice to know that there are guys out there who are willing to go the extra mile, as long as their opening is about "their" stories and who "they" really are, of course.

I was just very insulted that I saw 2 blonds being spoken to in abar, as well interviewed on stage and then yet another blond being questioned in the audience.

One would think we live in a nation of blond people or is that bottle-blond people? Has Obama taught you nothing?

O YOUR JOB WITH A LITTLE LESS EXCLUSION, if you don't mind!

BonnieAnn

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Bonnie Ann, what do you expect? The men who taught the course were white, and the guys who took their course were either white or Asian....so it should be no surprise that the women they approached would also be white and blonde. I know they were just practicing what they learned in a class, but they were probably practicing on women who they thought were attractive. That doesn't mean there weren't any women of color in the bar they could have approached...but maybe they didn't want to, or...since we didn't get footage of the entire evening, maybe they talked to some other women, but due to editing we didn't get to see it. I am a woman of color, who has been approached by men of all different races, so for the poster who said only men of color wanted women of color, you are wrong. As for Dr. Phil, he can't help who these guys in the bar talked to, so why jump on him? ("Now, make sure they talk to women of all colors in the bar, so little Bonnie Ann won't get stirred up on the message board, you hear?") I am African-American, and I did NOT feel the need to play the race card while watching this show!

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April 12, 2008, 7:34 pm PDT

I think you are really missing my point, here

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"speaking and/or approaching women these days is like trying to decipher some comprehensive code."

I resent this. Not all women are like that. I am certainly not like that. Maybe that's why I am happily married. LOL But, if one meets a woman like this, why continue on? Look someplace else!

Your whole post is offensive in general towards women. Not all women are self centered high maintenance spoiled brats. Some are...but not all of them.

And what do women want? You think that there is a broad answer that every woman will agree with? HELLO! Women are individuals. Nothing in your post says anything other than you believe they are all the same.

Men and women do not live similer lives, it's like trying to compare apples to oranges; there are simply those certain life experiences of one gender which the other gender simply cannot relate to.

Society even goes as far to teach men and women how to act and relate differently. What women value often has discrepancies with what men value.

You don't have to take offense, and I am sorry you did, but what I am saying is that men and women alike are not on the same page.

Listen to certain key words that women use most frequently (and what they mean to them) compared to men - any dating site can offer numerous and obvious examples of just how incoherent men and women are to each other.

Filp it, if you like, if men where the one's being pursued, women would fail miserably as men do with women.

Why, societaly we've been taught to value different things, we speak different languages.

And yes, I am speaking in general terms.

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April 12, 2008, 7:59 pm PDT

That Is Wild!!!

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That's because the part Tom Cruise played was inspired by Ross Jeffries. There's no coincidence there were similarities.

I thought of that role while I watched this Dr. Phil episode. I seriously got sick!

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April 12, 2008, 8:26 pm PDT

are they nuts

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On the cover of every issue of Cosmo you'll see listings like "Tips and Tricks to Get the Guy of Your Dreams". It would seem that it's perfectly fine for women to learn techniques to get what they want from a relationship, but wrong for men to do it. This is just another example of "Dr." Phil's man-bashing to pander to his demographic.

i couldnt agree more... Since Ive been 14 Ive read magazines about How to articles. Women and other men who believe that what these guys built fro men who need to learn HOW TO....... in order to get a women, aree doing harm are just frkin nuts!

Women are extreemly hard to catch, esp when out in a social setting when they are surrounded by their friends..... please, guys need help. i give men alot of credit.....

women should really stop being so tough on men

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April 12, 2008, 8:39 pm PDT

If in doubt, check em out

14 years ago, I was involved with a guy in Oregon for 9 mos who told me he wanted a monogamous relationship and wanted to marry and have kids with me. Then I found out the entire time he was having unprotected sex with many women and telling them all the same lies. He was partially paralized as a teenager and used his innocent victim persona to seduce women. finally admitted to me that he was a sex addict and had "unrepentant" sex with hundreds of women and I was a prude. I connected with several of the other women and they told me all the lies he had told them. I even had one of his outraged female furniture store customers call and say he had come into her house when she was in the shower! What a creep!!!

(I found the trail of women after hitting redial on the phone after he had a secretive conversation with someone, who turned out to be involved with him.)

He has since married some fool who probably has no idea what he is really about and doing behind her back.

So, I began going to the courthouse and checking out every guy I dated, since my trust was shot thanks to this guy. What an eye opener!

Four guys I was thinking about dating were checked out: one was still married; another was arrested many times for theft and shoplifting, another for stalking and abuse, and the fourth, his family was trying to have him legally put away in a psychiatric facility. Every one of these guys was a clean cut 40-50 year old professional who appeared normal on the surface. I finally found one that checked out clean--we have been happily married for 13 years and he is totally normal and trustworthy.

So ladies, the morale is, don't give up hope, but don't trust anyone until you have fully checked them out.

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