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Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? Talk about the show here.

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April 16, 2008, 12:14 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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I believe women then compared to women of todays world are extreemly different.  Women were not controlling and or rude. So, men 20 plus years ago didnt have to try to get women the just did. And even then, didnt women and men talk to their friends and or familys about how to win the heart of another.

 

I dont believe these men are not being natural, they are just receiving some advice, like if you were to ask your girlfriend(s)..  Why do you and others feel so negative about men receiving advice on how to get a womens attention?  Whats makes you think that the men who take this class are being scammed.  They arent teaching how to get  sex and how to be a player. 

 

My husband and I also have a great marriage, granted its only going for 5 years, but whos to say he didnt get oppinions and adice from others.  I could say we met naturally too.

 

Heres another thought.... when your kids come to you and for advice aboutsomeone they might be interested in, arent you gonna offer advice. I know I would say , "well.... talk about about what you like, find a common interest, tell a funny story."  Does this make me a bad mom?

 

What makes these men that have the site and the men paying for it any DIFFERENT. 

 

 

 

Actually, on Seduction.com, I DID read some advice on "How to get laid in 30-60 days". BUT, it may not be what you think it is, until you go and read it. When I read the title "How to get laid in 30-60 days, my first thought was "Good God!". (And mind you, I went to the sight with an open mind.) But, then when I went on to read the advice, I found it to be reasonable and not offensive. Had the title said " How to become intimately involved in 30-60 days.", I wouldn't have thought "Good God!".  It would have sounded gentler and kinder to my female ears. And , I don't think that ALL the guys involved are looking to "become intimately involved in 60-90 days". I have found that there is good and bad in everything, every aspect of life. IMO I think there are surely decent guys who are just trying to find a way to relate to women in a more rewarding way by joining this community. And there are surely some who are up to no good.
 
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April 16, 2008, 12:14 pm PDT

Misconceptions

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There seems to be generalizations on both sides.  Women on here are bringing up their specific relationships to prove the point that not all women, not all men, and not all relationships are the same.   Not to say a relationship SHOULD be a certain way, it's that you CAN have a mutual attraction without going through all the little steps to create one.  It's not really as black and white as , I acted like an elusive creep and she really went for that because ALL women want a chase.  Depends on how that particular woman is attracted.  Generally, when I smell a game in the works, I run. 

 

Semantics are one thing, but I don't appreciate the subtle misogyny behind it- with the disqualification (insinuation that women are so insecure as to let someone else dictate their behavior). It seems to make women out to be "marks".  It's great that a guy can APPROACH a girl, it's HOW they approach them that I absolutely disagree, it has a sleazy feel to it.  Also, I'm not saying a guy has to sit at the bar all night, "waiting for Godot" and wondering why no girls approach him, but he shouldn't be emaculated if they do (it's more effective that way).     I just don't care for the system, nor do I have to. 

It sounds like you have some misconceptions on how exactly they teach these guys how to approach (not terribly surprising with the way the show was edited). I could copy out the general structure that they teach out of a book I have, but honestly, I feel that most people on this board have already made up their minds, regardless of how little they have educated themselves on the subject. I'd feel as if I would be wasting my time and energy.

I also am unsure why you think the guys wouldn't prefer to be approached by women themselves (or feel emasculated if that happened). My experience has been that the guys actually want that to happen as often as possible.
 
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April 16, 2008, 1:16 pm PDT

Great lessons shared. A few more here...

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I find it very sad when people resort to this kind of ways. It is hard enough for us women to find someone who is sincere and have to watch out for gold diggers without now having these two numbskulls *teaching* men how to do it.

 

More women than men get *fleeced* than men do because *we* women have good hearts. A guy that I was going out with, told me, this .*M.J. I could take you for all or little money you have, why? Because us men know women who have good hearts are an easy prey. I live that way but with you I will not do it because you are truly a real person, more than just a good heart.* One morning I got up and he was gone, never to be heard of again. I cried but I then realized that he had done me a great favor and since then I know the signs of men who want a woman just for her money.

 

What I do to begin with when a man starts to complain and that is what they do to get money from you..I say, *oh, I am so sorry for you but maybe you should get a second job, the money I have is for myself and my family, besides *Men* are supposed to be the providers and I find it not attractive when a man asks money from me.

 

Trust me they don't stick around. Besides, a man who truly loves you doesn't ask for money and if you do lend some, make sure you have it written down on paper and notarized. If he is offended then you know he isn't sincere and won't pay you back.  When we are in a relationship it is normal to help each other out but not you doing all the *helping*.

 

I do it with finesse..if anyone asks me for money, I don't refuse, I say, * I am on a budget, I will see if I can and will call you back.* I never do..and more than likely that person has found a way to get it and won't call you back if you don't.

 

Now, I tell men, if you are looking for a sincere relationship fine but if you are looking for a woman with means so that you can live of it, forget it right now because I worked for my money and have no intention of supporting a man.  They don't stick around long ..trust me. When they see that you really mean it..poooh they are gone.

 

Online now there is a new thing these men are doing.. *Oh, hi my name is..I am a widow..my wife died in a car or plane crash and I have one son or daughter.* They use this to get your sympathy. I can't count how many online of men I met that use this line and they are usually businessmen they say living in Nigeria or UK or some other place in Africa and I met a few from the U.S.  Now, I tell them straight up that they are lying and when they argue I ask them to scan me a death certificate and a marriage certificate including their birthcertificate. Hahaha. I had 5 of them contact me online using the same line..funny they not around long..hahaha.

 

So women watch your hearts and your pocket book. A real man doesn't use your money .. he makes sure he has his own. Of course if you have been married for long time and something happens that is different but watch out if early in the relationship, he starts having money troubles, don't give them any money and you will see, one morning you will  get up and he is gone. CRY FOR JOY!

 

I got taken once in my life only and I didn't lose much..600$ only..from the guy whom I talked above. He left one morning after telling me that he couldn't do that to me because I was a real person and had so much love that it made him feel guilty which is something that never bothered him before.

 

I was lucky. 

In most of my relationships, I refused to lend money. One time I did and fortunately, God had his hand of blessing on me,  we ended up breaking up and he paid EVERY penny back. He borrowed $4000 for a new engine. Thank you God for protecting me.

 

If you surf online long enough, like this poster shared, you will recognize the same old pick up lines.

 

If a man (or woman) has a hard time with communication or is shy, he (or she) could take a speech class at the local community college ($150 to $500) or check out Toastmasters. Michael O'Shannesy (sp?) recommends Toastmasters in his Millennium Woman book. He attended this and went from, I think stuttering, to being a GREAT speaker. It helped him to build an amazing business and it also helped his personal life. I have met him and heard him speak, he was a regular guest as a special school I worked for. He does a lot of awesome things for the community. He is a tri-athlete too. He was into a rough life and made an amazing turnaround and now helps thousands of women improve themselves. Even though he wrote that book for women, if a man took his advice and followed his plan, they would be working towards an awesome life and would probably find it easy to find a wonderful woman to marry (and then have great sex with after marriage).

 

I personally chose to dump, quite quickly, any man in my past who started to use the compliment punishment game. When a man gives a woman a compliment and then tries to "knock" her down, it left me with an "off center" gut feeling - like "whoa, what just happened? Mood swing for him?"

 

One time, I dated a man who seemed fantastic, but after some awesome dates including one where he made a tasty homemade Italian candlelight dinner, he said something about me that was a subtle knock. I ended things immediately but I wondered for awhile if I made the right decision. We both married other people shortly thereafter. A few years later, he was mad at his wife and he wrote me this venting email. Everything he complained about were things that I am not always "perfect" about either. He said she complained about the same things that I would have complained about too. She also has a small toddler underfoot and so did I, so I could see her "side" more than his side which I considered a bit harsh. I replied back that she had a small child underfoot and she probably needed his support not nastiness and frustration. Being a woman myself, I could guarantee that if he said the things to me in the email to her out loud in a fight - which he admitted he did - that it would only make things worse.

 

Ultimately, I was thankful that we broke up. Sometimes men will play the push/pull game with children of their dates too - I refuse to be around (in the presence of) people who are like that with children either. I was a teacher and good teachers, for instance, usually are kind/open/honest/available to help with their students. Teachers are not supposed to put students down and they do not play the available/not available game. I do not want to be in a relationship with someone who insults or plays games.

 

I would recommend getting a background check on someone before marriage. I do not believe in sex before marriage due to my belief and faith in Jesus. However, if an adult is going to get serious with someone whether it is to be engaged, married, have children, have sex - peoplelookup.com can do some nice background checks.

 

Additionally, for those who are just looking for one night stands - CONDOMS DO NOT PROTECT AGAINST GENITAL HERPES OR GENITAL WARTS. Lots of people have genital herpes. I would recommend that everyone who reads this specifically asks for the Herpes simplex 1 (oral) and 2 (genital) test EVEN if you have never had any symptoms. I know of a man who slept with over 40 woman and had genital herpes at the base of his penis, where the condom does not cover, so basically he probably infected quite a few. He thought it was jock itch the whole time, for the last 20 years.

 

If you have slept with 2 or more people, get tested, and ask for the blood test for it. This is not included in the typical STD screening at the ob/gyn or the planned parenthood or state run health places. It is a specific blood test that must be requested. If you have not requested it specifically, then you probably have not been tested. There are over 50 million cases in the US and lots of people have it and do not know it.  Cold sores are usually caused by Herpes 1 and irritation in the genital can be caused by herpes 2. People shed at various times WITH NO SYMPTOMS so you cannot tell if they are shedding or not, so it is not something you can "see." Women can have it internally.

 

I would not recommend picking up a spouse at a bar. I would not recommend having sex with someone who drinks a lot and frequents bars because they probably have herpes or warts. If they don't think so, they have probably have not been tested.

 

I was told that the best place to meet a spouse is doing an activity or helping out at a cause that I was interested in. This is a GREAT recommendation because if you meet someone doing an activity you are interested in, then it is common ground and it was not faked (unless it is their first time and they just "tried" it).

 

Some people have recommended to me when I was single to meet someone in church or at college. These are also good options; however, I would make sure that they were "really involved" in the church or their education because at Joyce Meyers says "I can sit in a garage all day and it won't make me a car" so someone can sit in a church and not be a Christian or they can hang out at college and even take a few courses but not be "good husband material."

 

The advice I will give me daughter will include telling her to serve God, pray for her future spouse, and allow God to bring him to her. I would tell her that he needs to be a Christian who "walks the talk" who is aware of spiritual bondage, generational curses, the power of prayer, etc. I will tell her if she seeks God first that He will supply all her needs including the right husband if that is one of the desires of her heart. I will also teach her about soul ties and train her up to believe in purity and to expect it from her future husband. If we walk with God & believe in Jesus BEFORE we choose our spouses and actually let God choose him instead of trying to "find him" or "force" something now [wait on the Lord], I promise that the relationship will be better than anything we could arrange ourselves without God's guidance.

 
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April 16, 2008, 1:27 pm PDT

Whatis the general structure?

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It sounds like you have some misconceptions on how exactly they teach these guys how to approach (not terribly surprising with the way the show was edited). I could copy out the general structure that they teach out of a book I have, but honestly, I feel that most people on this board have already made up their minds, regardless of how little they have educated themselves on the subject. I'd feel as if I would be wasting my time and energy.

I also am unsure why you think the guys wouldn't prefer to be approached by women themselves (or feel emasculated if that happened). My experience has been that the guys actually want that to happen as often as possible.

I would love for you to share the general structure. So if you would do that, you would not be wasting your time. I understand the "editing" so I would be interested in the information that you could accurately share.

 

I know, from experience, that some men like to be approached by women and some don't. After college speech class and various jobs including enrollment management at a university with 60,000+ students, plus putting on college night and other functions that brought lots of people on campus, I was literally forced to get over being scared to talk to people or crowds.

 

 

 
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April 16, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

Blowing his nose?

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Semantics are one thing, but I don't appreciate the subtle misogyny behind it- with the disqualification (insinuation that women are so insecure as to let someone else dictate their behavior). It seems to make women out to be "marks". 

I think a lot of that has to do with the way the show presented the material (regarding the TMM guys). For example, the neg is less a put down or a hit on a woman's self-image and more of a disqualifier of the man. It's to create a sense of "Oh, this guy isn't intimidated by my looks.  I wonder why?"  A good example of a false disqualifier (the term "neg" was deprecated a long time ago) is simply blowing your nose in front of a woman. It shows the man is not phased by her looks, status, presence, whatever the case may be.

Ewwwwwwww.... I would not want a man to blow his nose in front of me. I would want him to excuse himself and go to a restroom. I would want a man who was appreciative of my strengths, like many women want, and for me, that includes taking care of my skin as well as exercising to keep my body healthy and attractive plus my other qualities (high morals, finance degree, good with children, gourmet cook - according to my husband, etc).

 

I am attracted to manners. It was a good thing my family taught me. If a man would have belched or passed gas on a date, I would not have went out again with him.

 

Manners to me are MORE important than looks or waist size or occupation. I know that is my personal opinion. Most of the women in my family feel the same way. His belief in Jesus and his morals are more important to me than his looks or paycheck also.

 

Another important thing to mention that we need to remember after being in the relationship awhile is that we should not "forget" what originally attracted us to our spouse. My first spouse was attracted to me for my beauty, intelligence, and big heart, not for my housekeeping skills. He did not try to make me "perfect" in all areas to continue to love me. And he did not "forget" why he fell in love with me. This is wonderful. Being married to someone who tries to force you to be "perfect" in all areas or to have the strengths of every woman on earth from their mother, friend's wives, fake women on tv shows and movies, and exlovers is a miserable experience. And also, I might add, impossible for any human being alive.

 

Here is something nifty I read online last week  - a lot of points ring true:

 

Why Beautiful Women Marry Less Attractive Men

Jeanna Bryner
LiveScience Staff Writer
LiveScience.com Thu Apr 10, 11:25 AM ET

Women seeking a lifelong mate might do well to choose the guy a notch below them in the looks category. New research reveals couples in which the wife is better looking than her husband are more positive and supportive than other match-ups.

The reason, researchers suspect, is that men place great value on beauty, whereas women are more interested in having a supportive husband.

Researchers admit that looks are subjective, but studies show there are some universal standards, including large eyes, "baby face" features, symmetric faces, so-called average faces, and specific waist-hip ratios in men versus women.

Past research has shown that individuals with comparable stunning looks are attracted to each other and once they hook up they report greater relationship satisfaction. These studies, however, are mainly based on new couples, showing that absolute beauty is important in the earliest stages of couple-hood, said lead researcher James McNulty of the University of Tennessee. But the role of physical attractiveness in well-established partnerships, such as marriage, is somewhat of a mystery.

The new study, published in the February issue of the Journal of Family Psychology, reveals looks continue to matter beyond that initial attraction, though in a different way.

Supportive spouses

McNulty's team assessed 82 couples who had married within the previous six months and had been together for nearly three years prior to tying the knot. Participants were on average in their early to mid-20s.

Researchers videotaped as each spouse discussed with their partner a personal problem for 10 minutes. The tapes were analyzed for whether partners were supportive of spouses' issues, which included goals to eat healthier, to land a new job and to exercise more often.

"A negative husband would've said, 'This is your problem, you deal with it,'" McNulty said, "versus 'Hey, I'm here for you; what do you want me to do?; how can I help you?'"

A group of trained "coders" rated the facial attractiveness of each spouse on a scale from 1 to 10, with the perfect 10 representing the ultimate babe. About a third of the couples had a more attractive wife, a third a more attractive husband and the remaining partners showed matching looks.

Trophy wives

Overall, wives and husbands behaved more positively when the woman was better looking.

The finding "seems very reasonable," said Dan Ariely, a professor of behavioral economics at MIT's Program in Media Arts and Sciences and Sloan School of Management. "Men are very sensitive to women's attractiveness. Women seem to be sensitive to men's height and salary," said Ariely, who was not involved in the recent study.

In couples with more attractive husbands, both partners were less supportive of one another. McNulty suggests wives mirror, in some ways, the level of support they get from husbands.

"The husband who's less physically attractive than his wife is getting something more than maybe he can expect to get," McNulty told LiveScience. "He's getting something better than he's providing at that level. So he's going to work hard to maintain that relationship."

Men who are more attractive than their partners would theoretically have access to partners who are more attractive than their current spouses, McNulty said. The "grass could be greener" mentality could make these men less satisfied and less committed to maintain the marriage.

Physical attractiveness of husbands is not as important to women, the researchers suggest. Rather, wives are looking for supportive husbands, they say.

So it seems the mismatch in looks is actually a perfect match. "Equitable is unlikely to mean the same on every dimension," Ariely said during a telephone interview. "It just means that overall two people make sense together."

 

 

 

 

 
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April 16, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

Lifechanging

The "seductioncommunity" changed my life completely. Not cos of the retarded negs, techniques, routines, tricks and manipulation. But cos I found out a guy can actually talk to (and even hit on!) a girl without feeling like a machoidiot, sexist, wifebeater and rapist. Imagine that. Before I found the PUA-community I was fake. Now I'm more honest than I've ever been. PUA stands for giving value to girls. If she doesn't feel like a queen, I don't feel like a king. PUA is one big step for removing gender roles and create equality between the genders.
 
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April 16, 2008, 2:19 pm PDT

Interesting!

Quote From: fromthesquare

There was a study on Animal Planet.  They took male barn sparrows and dyed the red on their wings darker.  Sure enough they got lucky with the ladies.  They became the top males and were more aggressive.  Their blood chemistry actually changed. 

However, I like to think that we are smarter than the barn sparrow.  The true colors of a person will show up eventually- I mean when the dye wears off they are going to be lonely birds again!

Do you have the article or link for the barn sparrows study? I love to save interesting things like that for when I make curriculum that is interesting for kids.

 

Yes, the true colors eventually come out. Hopefully before you fall in love or marry them. Some men have been smart enough to have manners at first (something important to me) and then they lose them after a few months or years into the relationship. It would better if they lost their manners a few months in; however, if they wait a few years to become rude - I feel a bit manipulated.

 

If someone is going to do something to catch someone, he or she should be prepared to continue it for the rest of the relationship.

 

I like to cook and I cook well. However, a friend of mine shared some advice disquised as a joke. She said, if you have a man over, get pizza or prepare something simple for awhile into the relationship. Otherwise, if you do a 4 course meal with dessert on the first few dates, he will expect that forever and be dissapointed with take out over candles in the future or simple soup and salad or when you have children and this becomes more of a necessity due to the demands of children. We laughed about this then and she was definately right. She has been married for 10 years and has two boys.

 

Ironically, the man I married lived with another woman for 8 years before we met. She did not cook well and they ate out a lot. If she would make him something, even if it was not that good, he appreciated it. If she made something simple or got take out, he was thankful. Since I cook well, and he "knows" it, he actually seldom shows appreciation unless I make something VERY involved. If I cooked based on his appreciation, I would hardly cook at all.

 

Another related incident included my mother in law. When my husband lived with them before we married, she did not cook "involved" meals on a nightly basis. However after we married, she started to cook his "favorite" meals once or twice a week and invite him over (with or without me). I was a newly married wife working 50 -60 hours a week, we just moved in our new home together and had not yet unpacked, and I was actually supposed to be on bedrest for preterm labor. He went over there so much, he literally did not unpack a thing of his (and he told me to leave his boxes alone so I did until one day I threw a lot of in the trash after we seperated since I was tired of the boxes in the garage just sitting there). After almost a year, she started cooking less of his favorite foods and he went over there less often. Each time we seperated his family would give him the gold star treatment for a few months and then his "newness" wore off and he would be back home. So if you start something to "manipulate" a person, beware because you are going to have to keep it up to keep them around.

 

 

 
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April 16, 2008, 3:11 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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In most of my relationships, I refused to lend money. One time I did and fortunately, God had his hand of blessing on me,  we ended up breaking up and he paid EVERY penny back. He borrowed $4000 for a new engine. Thank you God for protecting me.

 

If you surf online long enough, like this poster shared, you will recognize the same old pick up lines.

 

If a man (or woman) has a hard time with communication or is shy, he (or she) could take a speech class at the local community college ($150 to $500) or check out Toastmasters. Michael O'Shannesy (sp?) recommends Toastmasters in his Millennium Woman book. He attended this and went from, I think stuttering, to being a GREAT speaker. It helped him to build an amazing business and it also helped his personal life. I have met him and heard him speak, he was a regular guest as a special school I worked for. He does a lot of awesome things for the community. He is a tri-athlete too. He was into a rough life and made an amazing turnaround and now helps thousands of women improve themselves. Even though he wrote that book for women, if a man took his advice and followed his plan, they would be working towards an awesome life and would probably find it easy to find a wonderful woman to marry (and then have great sex with after marriage).

 

I personally chose to dump, quite quickly, any man in my past who started to use the compliment punishment game. When a man gives a woman a compliment and then tries to "knock" her down, it left me with an "off center" gut feeling - like "whoa, what just happened? Mood swing for him?"

 

One time, I dated a man who seemed fantastic, but after some awesome dates including one where he made a tasty homemade Italian candlelight dinner, he said something about me that was a subtle knock. I ended things immediately but I wondered for awhile if I made the right decision. We both married other people shortly thereafter. A few years later, he was mad at his wife and he wrote me this venting email. Everything he complained about were things that I am not always "perfect" about either. He said she complained about the same things that I would have complained about too. She also has a small toddler underfoot and so did I, so I could see her "side" more than his side which I considered a bit harsh. I replied back that she had a small child underfoot and she probably needed his support not nastiness and frustration. Being a woman myself, I could guarantee that if he said the things to me in the email to her out loud in a fight - which he admitted he did - that it would only make things worse.

 

Ultimately, I was thankful that we broke up. Sometimes men will play the push/pull game with children of their dates too - I refuse to be around (in the presence of) people who are like that with children either. I was a teacher and good teachers, for instance, usually are kind/open/honest/available to help with their students. Teachers are not supposed to put students down and they do not play the available/not available game. I do not want to be in a relationship with someone who insults or plays games.

 

I would recommend getting a background check on someone before marriage. I do not believe in sex before marriage due to my belief and faith in Jesus. However, if an adult is going to get serious with someone whether it is to be engaged, married, have children, have sex - peoplelookup.com can do some nice background checks.

 

Additionally, for those who are just looking for one night stands - CONDOMS DO NOT PROTECT AGAINST GENITAL HERPES OR GENITAL WARTS. Lots of people have genital herpes. I would recommend that everyone who reads this specifically asks for the Herpes simplex 1 (oral) and 2 (genital) test EVEN if you have never had any symptoms. I know of a man who slept with over 40 woman and had genital herpes at the base of his penis, where the condom does not cover, so basically he probably infected quite a few. He thought it was jock itch the whole time, for the last 20 years.

 

If you have slept with 2 or more people, get tested, and ask for the blood test for it. This is not included in the typical STD screening at the ob/gyn or the planned parenthood or state run health places. It is a specific blood test that must be requested. If you have not requested it specifically, then you probably have not been tested. There are over 50 million cases in the US and lots of people have it and do not know it.  Cold sores are usually caused by Herpes 1 and irritation in the genital can be caused by herpes 2. People shed at various times WITH NO SYMPTOMS so you cannot tell if they are shedding or not, so it is not something you can "see." Women can have it internally.

 

I would not recommend picking up a spouse at a bar. I would not recommend having sex with someone who drinks a lot and frequents bars because they probably have herpes or warts. If they don't think so, they have probably have not been tested.

 

I was told that the best place to meet a spouse is doing an activity or helping out at a cause that I was interested in. This is a GREAT recommendation because if you meet someone doing an activity you are interested in, then it is common ground and it was not faked (unless it is their first time and they just "tried" it).

 

Some people have recommended to me when I was single to meet someone in church or at college. These are also good options; however, I would make sure that they were "really involved" in the church or their education because at Joyce Meyers says "I can sit in a garage all day and it won't make me a car" so someone can sit in a church and not be a Christian or they can hang out at college and even take a few courses but not be "good husband material."

 

The advice I will give me daughter will include telling her to serve God, pray for her future spouse, and allow God to bring him to her. I would tell her that he needs to be a Christian who "walks the talk" who is aware of spiritual bondage, generational curses, the power of prayer, etc. I will tell her if she seeks God first that He will supply all her needs including the right husband if that is one of the desires of her heart. I will also teach her about soul ties and train her up to believe in purity and to expect it from her future husband. If we walk with God & believe in Jesus BEFORE we choose our spouses and actually let God choose him instead of trying to "find him" or "force" something now [wait on the Lord, I promise that the relationship will be better than anything we could arrange ourselves without God's guidance.

Heather? How are you doing? Have things improved between you and your husband since the show ?
 
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April 16, 2008, 3:23 pm PDT

04/11 Women Beware!

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Semantics are one thing, but I don't appreciate the subtle misogyny behind it- with the disqualification (insinuation that women are so insecure as to let someone else dictate their behavior). It seems to make women out to be "marks". 

I think a lot of that has to do with the way the show presented the material (regarding the TMM guys). For example, the neg is less a put down or a hit on a woman's self-image and more of a disqualifier of the man. It's to create a sense of "Oh, this guy isn't intimidated by my looks.  I wonder why?"  A good example of a false disqualifier (the term "neg" was deprecated a long time ago) is simply blowing your nose in front of a woman. It shows the man is not phased by her looks, status, presence, whatever the case may be.

Re. the nose blowing? I would not be offended if a man blew his nose in front of me. It would be a bit much if he stuck his finger up into his nose and pulled out a booger. I don't quite understand the nose blowing neg. Are most women offended if a man blows his nose in thier presense? I know it is to be done in front of a 9-10, I think. Is it that ugly women don't mind if a man blows his nose in front of them. I'm old but I'm not ugly. I am just curious.

 
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April 16, 2008, 8:02 pm PDT

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Do you have the article or link for the barn sparrows study? I love to save interesting things like that for when I make curriculum that is interesting for kids.

 

Yes, the true colors eventually come out. Hopefully before you fall in love or marry them. Some men have been smart enough to have manners at first (something important to me) and then they lose them after a few months or years into the relationship. It would better if they lost their manners a few months in; however, if they wait a few years to become rude - I feel a bit manipulated.

 

If someone is going to do something to catch someone, he or she should be prepared to continue it for the rest of the relationship.

 

I like to cook and I cook well. However, a friend of mine shared some advice disquised as a joke. She said, if you have a man over, get pizza or prepare something simple for awhile into the relationship. Otherwise, if you do a 4 course meal with dessert on the first few dates, he will expect that forever and be dissapointed with take out over candles in the future or simple soup and salad or when you have children and this becomes more of a necessity due to the demands of children. We laughed about this then and she was definately right. She has been married for 10 years and has two boys.

 

Ironically, the man I married lived with another woman for 8 years before we met. She did not cook well and they ate out a lot. If she would make him something, even if it was not that good, he appreciated it. If she made something simple or got take out, he was thankful. Since I cook well, and he "knows" it, he actually seldom shows appreciation unless I make something VERY involved. If I cooked based on his appreciation, I would hardly cook at all.

 

Another related incident included my mother in law. When my husband lived with them before we married, she did not cook "involved" meals on a nightly basis. However after we married, she started to cook his "favorite" meals once or twice a week and invite him over (with or without me). I was a newly married wife working 50 -60 hours a week, we just moved in our new home together and had not yet unpacked, and I was actually supposed to be on bedrest for preterm labor. He went over there so much, he literally did not unpack a thing of his (and he told me to leave his boxes alone so I did until one day I threw a lot of in the trash after we seperated since I was tired of the boxes in the garage just sitting there). After almost a year, she started cooking less of his favorite foods and he went over there less often. Each time we seperated his family would give him the gold star treatment for a few months and then his "newness" wore off and he would be back home. So if you start something to "manipulate" a person, beware because you are going to have to keep it up to keep them around.

 

 

I did a little more digging.  The study was actually of Barn Swallows (not sparrows.)   It was on PBS (Not Animal Planet.)  I think I got the rest right- lol!

The show is called "Nature: What Females Want and Males Will Do." It is presented in 2 parts.  Part 1 is "What Females Want."  Part 2 is "What Males Will Do."

The segment on barn swallows was presented by Rebecca Safran.  You might want to google her.
PBS sells DVDs of the show and I think you can watch it on the web site.  Good Luck!!
 
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