Topic : 04/11 Women Beware!

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Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims? And, Victoria says she fell in love for the first time with a guy whom who she thought was the perfect man, until he she says he ended up scamming her out of $100,000. Did Victoria miss the warning signs? How can she pick up the pieces of her broken heart and move on? Talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2008, 5:00 am PDT

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Your married activities are very similar to what ours are. I was talking about when 2 people first meet and watching a DVD is their first date. When my husband and I were dating we spent many nights just riding around out in the country and getting to know each other. A lot of dinners, sometimes I even cooked for him. Many of the same activities that you mentioned are the same that we did also. Granted I also never asked a man out but it wasn't because I didn't believe in it, I just didn't have to. I don't believe in a woman bleeding a guy dry just to date her, in fact I think it's downright wrong, but I do think that dates should be more than spending evenings on the sofa watching a movie. I'm talking about every date, not just the first one. I know women who have put up with this and I think it's not right. A woman should expect more effort on the mans end then to just rent a movie. I also believe that women should be proactive also and put their best effort into it too. It's a two way street. But I guess I'm really thinking about the fact that if a man can't put the effort into taking a woman to dinner, for a walk, out for coffee or whatever then I don't think he's a man that is worth a woman's time. We all deserve better than that. I would like to make another point, this one is for the men's side. I dated an Attorney, he was my boyfriend for 2 years, and he felt used by women who would order the most expensive item on the menu and then not eat it. He didn't mind AT ALL if that was what she really wanted, money wasn't a factor to him, he definitely wasn't cheap, but to see all that expensive food thrown in the trash would make his blood boil. He knew why these women did it, he was an attorney and they knew he had money. I totally agreed with him. He just wanted a woman to enjoy herself but he didn't want to be used. I know that I got off track but I admit that my mind goes about a millions miles a minute. So please excuse my rambling. Anyway, I still don't think it's the correct way to date a woman when they stay in her house every time he comes to see her. Personally I think the guy is too cheap to spring for anything more than a $3.00 movie. I know that I'm worth more than that. I like you and I truly hope that you understand my point. Sincerely, jewels

Hi Jewelsf!!

Interesting that you brought up the girls that order expensive dinners just because they know  a guy has money.  I was never like that but I have a friend from back in High School who used guys in a similar way until she finally grew up a little.  She once commented to me that she dated more guys than I did. (Why she would even make a comment like that could fill up pages but I'm sure it was some kind of insecurity in her)  She probably DID go out with more guys than I did but guess why?    It wasn't because they were not interested.  I had my fair share of guys that asked me for dates. But I did not think it was fair to go out with someone and have him spend money on me if I knew that I wasn't interested. in him. But my friend  would date everyone who asked her out and when I asked her why she would go out with people she didn't care about, she commented that she was getting a "free movie or free dinner " out of it. Ouch!! 

 

I once dated a guy who had lots of money but was extremely cheap with me.  Keep in mind that this was back in the old days when guys paid for the dates.  He would arrange to meet me where we were supposed to go for our date-I would end up having to pay my own admission.  Finally one time when he "met" me at a school dance I told him I was not going to hang around with him. I had paid my own admission so he was not my date, and therefore I was going to hang around with my friends AND dance with whoever I wanted to. There were alot of other things wrong with that relationship which I've  talked about on other boards.  When I met my husband I realized pretty quickly that he was kind and genuine, smart,  fun to be with.  He was generous as well, but I never took advantage of him. I would suggest activities that were not costly.  We were very young but I was able to recognize a great guy, and I guess I knew what I was doing because we are still together. Some things in dating may have changed over the years but traits like consideration, kindness, intelligence, loyalty, sense of humor etc are timeless!!!

 
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April 22, 2008, 6:27 pm PDT

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Hi Jewelsf!!

Interesting that you brought up the girls that order expensive dinners just because they know  a guy has money.  I was never like that but I have a friend from back in High School who used guys in a similar way until she finally grew up a little.  She once commented to me that she dated more guys than I did. (Why she would even make a comment like that could fill up pages but I'm sure it was some kind of insecurity in her)  She probably DID go out with more guys than I did but guess why?    It wasn't because they were not interested.  I had my fair share of guys that asked me for dates. But I did not think it was fair to go out with someone and have him spend money on me if I knew that I wasn't interested. in him. But my friend  would date everyone who asked her out and when I asked her why she would go out with people she didn't care about, she commented that she was getting a "free movie or free dinner " out of it. Ouch!! 

 

I once dated a guy who had lots of money but was extremely cheap with me.  Keep in mind that this was back in the old days when guys paid for the dates.  He would arrange to meet me where we were supposed to go for our date-I would end up having to pay my own admission.  Finally one time when he "met" me at a school dance I told him I was not going to hang around with him. I had paid my own admission so he was not my date, and therefore I was going to hang around with my friends AND dance with whoever I wanted to. There were alot of other things wrong with that relationship which I've  talked about on other boards.  When I met my husband I realized pretty quickly that he was kind and genuine, smart,  fun to be with.  He was generous as well, but I never took advantage of him. I would suggest activities that were not costly.  We were very young but I was able to recognize a great guy, and I guess I knew what I was doing because we are still together. Some things in dating may have changed over the years but traits like consideration, kindness, intelligence, loyalty, sense of humor etc are timeless!!!

I have to admit, I have never understood the "guy pays for the date" thing...
 
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April 23, 2008, 4:31 am PDT

who pays for the date?

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I have to admit, I have never understood the "guy pays for the date" thing...

Penny, I guess the "guy paying for the date" thing was generational, and I was born on the other side of it!!! Somewhere between my dating days and yours it was revised.  Perhaps with more women these days having better jobs it no longer seemed fair for the guy to pay all the time.  Things were changing for women in the work force during my dating days but it was just at the beginning., and usually the guy  still had significantly more earning power. Now, with many more opportunities for women to earn decent salaries it seems that they are expected to share in dating costs.   So, putting the whole thing in context ( ie-earning power) it makes sense.

 
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April 23, 2008, 11:06 am PDT

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Penny, I guess the "guy paying for the date" thing was generational, and I was born on the other side of it!!! Somewhere between my dating days and yours it was revised.  Perhaps with more women these days having better jobs it no longer seemed fair for the guy to pay all the time.  Things were changing for women in the work force during my dating days but it was just at the beginning., and usually the guy  still had significantly more earning power. Now, with many more opportunities for women to earn decent salaries it seems that they are expected to share in dating costs.   So, putting the whole thing in context ( ie-earning power) it makes sense.

My brother always paid for his dates. But my dad is a very old fashioned guy too. So, in all honesty I don't know what is normal now.

I know I wouldn't let a guy pay for a date for me...in all honesty I have a hard time being a SAHM, not earning money.
 
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April 23, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

I'm out of the loop!!!!

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My brother always paid for his dates. But my dad is a very old fashioned guy too. So, in all honesty I don't know what is normal now.

I know I wouldn't let a guy pay for a date for me...in all honesty I have a hard time being a SAHM, not earning money.

And I've been out of the loop for 30 years now, so I couldn't tell you what is normal either.  I guess "normal" is whatever is comfortable for the people involved, but it may be hard for some to establish that comfort level in the beginnning.  I'm glad not to be a part of that scene.

I've experienced being both a  SAHM and working Mom.  Each has it's advantages and disadvantages.

 
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April 25, 2008, 12:27 pm PDT

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My brother always paid for his dates. But my dad is a very old fashioned guy too. So, in all honesty I don't know what is normal now.

I know I wouldn't let a guy pay for a date for me...in all honesty I have a hard time being a SAHM, not earning money.
I think, at the beginning of a dating relationship, the inviter should pay. Regardless of gender. But, the invitee shouldn't order the most expensive item on the menu. And, shouldn't waste their food, either. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's someone who wastes food. The last time my husband took "Sammy" and his family out to eat with us, at an all-you-can-eat place, "Sammy" would pile his plate sky-high, eat a few bites, and shove the plate away for the server to take. He did the same damn thing with three more plates of food. In that one visit, he wasted more food than I would've eaten in at least five. My husband said that was the last time he'd take "Sammy" anywhere but a fast-food place.
 
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April 29, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

Creepy, creepy guys on this show!!!

 I thinnk ALL of the guys on this show were just CREEPY!!!!!!! I find guys who are akwardly themselves to be so much more attractive and genuine than some superficial idiot who has been TRAINED in how to score women. YUCK!!!! Also these guys teach guys how to pick up women in some random place. WHo the hell wants to seriously date someone you picked up in a bar?
 
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May 7, 2008, 1:15 pm PDT

I finally signed on..........

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Hi Jewelsf!!

Interesting that you brought up the girls that order expensive dinners just because they know  a guy has money.  I was never like that but I have a friend from back in High School who used guys in a similar way until she finally grew up a little.  She once commented to me that she dated more guys than I did. (Why she would even make a comment like that could fill up pages but I'm sure it was some kind of insecurity in her)  She probably DID go out with more guys than I did but guess why?    It wasn't because they were not interested.  I had my fair share of guys that asked me for dates. But I did not think it was fair to go out with someone and have him spend money on me if I knew that I wasn't interested. in him. But my friend  would date everyone who asked her out and when I asked her why she would go out with people she didn't care about, she commented that she was getting a "free movie or free dinner " out of it. Ouch!! 

 

I once dated a guy who had lots of money but was extremely cheap with me.  Keep in mind that this was back in the old days when guys paid for the dates.  He would arrange to meet me where we were supposed to go for our date-I would end up having to pay my own admission.  Finally one time when he "met" me at a school dance I told him I was not going to hang around with him. I had paid my own admission so he was not my date, and therefore I was going to hang around with my friends AND dance with whoever I wanted to. There were alot of other things wrong with that relationship which I've  talked about on other boards.  When I met my husband I realized pretty quickly that he was kind and genuine, smart,  fun to be with.  He was generous as well, but I never took advantage of him. I would suggest activities that were not costly.  We were very young but I was able to recognize a great guy, and I guess I knew what I was doing because we are still together. Some things in dating may have changed over the years but traits like consideration, kindness, intelligence, loyalty, sense of humor etc are timeless!!!

I finally signed on to the message board and read this, I want to tell you that you are a woman of "Class". That's exactly what it is and I admire you for your insight. I wish that other women, not all, but some, would realize that this is not the way to treat a man. Also, men should not treat us like meat either. It goes both way. Take care, Jewels
 
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May 8, 2008, 5:37 am PDT

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I finally signed on to the message board and read this, I want to tell you that you are a woman of "Class". That's exactly what it is and I admire you for your insight. I wish that other women, not all, but some, would realize that this is not the way to treat a man. Also, men should not treat us like meat either. It goes both way. Take care, Jewels
Thank you for that nice compliment! I do appreciate it. And I agree with you that both men and women should exercise mutual respect for eachother.; ie. treating eachother well. Have a great day!  Julie
 
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June 27, 2008, 4:29 am PDT

I'm in the seduction community myself

I read a few posts and I'm getting the idea that some of you have the wrong idea of what Mystery Method or another seduction school is about.

First of all I see people generalize with sentences like:"Men think only about sex" or "Women only want money from men"

In my opinion generalisations are not true, because not every woman wants money and not every man only thinks about sex. These are small groups, called: golddiggers and male sex addicts.

The reason why I got into the seduction community was because I couldn't get a girlfriend and I wanted a girlfriend (was 16 back then). It wasn't because I wanted to exploit women, I just wanted a girlfriend and I just didn't understand why I didn't had one.

Now I do understand it (2 years later). I had 2 shortterm relationships and well I've gotten results just like an average teenager. If I didn't came into the seduction community and learned a bit about social skills and stuff I probably would've been depressed about why life would be so mean to me, which sounds sad and naïve.

I didn't followed MysteryMethod though, there is a lot of diversity in the seduction schools and I'm all for improv and non-structure and thats a bit of the irony why I have less results, but I don't care, it's more fun this way to talk with people.

I've learned so much from the seduction community, but some of you still (might) think that I'm exploiting women in some sort of way. The methods itsself aren't 'dark' it's what someone does with it.

By the way here is a list what I've learned trough the seduction community:
- Positive Psychology (from Tal-Ben Shahar as professor on Harvard, trough stream videos)
- How I can develop myself as a whole person on different areas of my life (meaning: every hobby, spiritually, socially, love, etc.)
- How to be 'my better self' without the vague words
- How to keep my integrity (I improvise when I talk to women and sometimes I think they're cute)
- How to be more emotionally intelligent
- I do more sporting
- I did and tried meditation

To make my point, it's the nature of the person himself who goes to the community, it will change him for the better, or the worse, it depends on his nature.

Second of all:
Mystery Method and Speedseduction are the more controversial and 'outdated' methods in the seduction community. A better method is: www.socialhitchhiker.blogspot.com, he learned me how to relate to women, thinking more in emotions and less in factual things.

But the only method that I lay my soul upon is just improvising and having fun.

Yea I sure do exploit women.

Stop with the generalizations.

Melvin (Amsterdam, The Netherlands)

If someone wants to learn about the community or wants to resume the discussion email me at 00melo00@gmail.com
 

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