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Parents, if you wonder whether your teenager has a drug problem, pay close attention to today’s show. What you may think is normal teen behavior can turn into big trouble fast. Rick and Dawn say they’re at war with their 17-year-old son, Brad. They say he smokes marijuana, skips school, flies into rages, kicks holes in the walls, and even got into a drunken brawl with his father at his 16th birthday party! Brad admits that he smokes pot every day before school, but says everyone he knows is doing it. Dr. Phil has some hard questions for Brad and his parents. Is this just typical teen behavior, or is Brad an addict? Then, don’t miss an update with the heroin-addicted twin sisters, Sarah and Tecoa. Find out which twin went missing, and follow their friend, Joani’s, exhaustive search to bring her back to Dr. Phil. Talk about the show here.

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April 16, 2008, 3:00 pm PDT

Today's show had some B A D info :-(

It was unfortunate that today's show had such inaccurate information regarding marijuana.

Here are a few truths - and please do not take my word for it - do some research to see for yourself!

  1. There is a distinction between substance abuse (recurrent use despite harmful consequences) and substance dependence. Substance dependence is not common among pot users (0.4 - 1.0% of users). The majority of marijuana users do not develop addiction: they do not experience loss of control; they use when they choose to, in the amounts they choose to, getting the results—in general—that they intend to get.
  2. There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1. For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses claim approximately 5,000 casualties yearly, but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as any official reports.
  3. Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use.
  4. A compound found in cannabis (the scientific name for marijuana), CBD, has been shown (in the lab) to stop the human gene Id-1 from directing cancer cells to multiply and spread. This recent research is being studied further as a potential step towards a cure for breast cancer. Additionally, the largest study of its kind (UCLA College of Medicine) unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
  5. Scientists showed a synthetic version of the compound may reduce inflammation associated with Alzheimer's and thus help to prevent mental decline.
Equating marijuana usage with heroin or other "real" abused drugs is very unfortunate and has me questioning the quality of the other information on Dr. Phil's show. Tobacco, alcohol and even caffeine have all been show to be more addictive and have more negative side-effects.

Please spend 15 minutes doing some research on the information outlined above - just a quick search on Google will suffice - and you will see that every piece of information above is fully substantiated.

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April 16, 2008, 3:01 pm PDT

Don't hate

 I'm a daily marijuana smoker and i graduated from high school and still in school. Don't hate on a plant that god created from the earth. Doing marijuana is by choice! How are you to tell me how i should and should not run my life. Drugs and beer are in the same catorgery cause both well *&^%  up your life. Both are and can be control substance, its just up to the user on how he/she uses it.
 
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April 16, 2008, 3:06 pm PDT

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Dr Phil,

What is going on in our world? I just don't get this drug thing. This couple is blind if they think pot is not the start of more to come , much harder drugs.

My son is 36. He started at 16 with pot, I found it in his room,. He was a big guy and pushed me around , he daddy did nothing...denial.

It went out of control. By age 18 he was on other drugs, I had no idea what they were. His girlfriend was sneaking in his bedroom window...they got pregnant. And he  says i forced him to marry her and that was the problem. Always blaming me.

They married one month before the baby was born. Then always trouble drinking and drugs , they both were doing this. Now 15 yrs later 3 kids now , divorviced 7 yrs now. Ex daughter in law and kids have moved next door. We help support even gave her a job. We have a small business. Our money is just about gone. And we are not getting any younger , my husband is 64.

About my son...he has been in jail twice 6 months at a time was clean and went right back to drugs. He is living with whoever will take him in and my husband is feeding him and getting him a room at a motel once or twice a week...he has the clothes on his back and a few in a bag.

He is on meth and whatever he can get his hands on. The courts keep putting his case off because of one thing or another. I want him back in jail so I know where he is and off drugs,maybe.

In the state I live in they do have a program that they can attend if they will that seems to be a good answer, but I can't get him in prison to at least save his life.

My husband and I don't agree on anything ...we have been through so much and it will never stop till he get the help when he wants it.

Our jails are full. I will never give up and I think if I could tie him up and drag him into a rehab that maybe my child will not die. But I know he has got to want the help, but somehow I feel he is crying out for it.

My husbands says he will give him a funeral and that we will all be better off when he dies.

CAn you believe him? My heart is in pieces. I look at his children and fall apart.

Thanks

 

 

 

 

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April 16, 2008, 3:06 pm PDT

PRAY WHEN TALK TALK TALK, YOU WILL NEVER REGRET IT. JUST TALK!

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This could be my son.  17, using marijauana.. "it relaxes me".  oh my goodness same nonsense.

I watched this show with great interest.  Like that mother, I will not allow my son to even consider getting a driving permit until he shows responsibility.  Major turning point here tho.. he was threatened with a real suspension from school because of his cutting, and then cutting the detention for the cutting.  The suspension has been delayed while we wait and see, and my goodness... this kid is doing HOMEWORK and getting to school on time.  I speak with the school everyday.  He has NOT left the house in a week.  We are not talking about it, but I think... i HOPE that he has made his own decisions about his activities and friends because of what has happened at school.  Praying!!!!

I Pray for this young man and his family.  For the boy's father also.. that he can stay clean and sober too.

what do you mean your not "talking about it".  not to take your inventory because my own doorstep is filthy but,,, talking is the way.  talk till your child pucks in my opinion. 

 

Never wish you had talked.  Never wish you could have said this or that.  So long as its on subject.  talk and talk  be clear about your values and rules.  Its not like he has our history.  they are depending on us for direction, though they DON'T ACT LIKE they are

 

GREAT JOB NOT LETTING HIM BE ALONE AT HOME.  I EVEN BELIEVE SO LONG AS HE IS NOT BEING HONEST WE SHOULD SEARCH THEIR STUFF.  NOT IN A VENGEFUL WAY, BUT TO SET EXPECTATIONS THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO "STUFF" IN THE HOUSE OR YOU WILL FIND IT.  INNOCENTLY SORTING OUT HIS SHIRTS ON HIS SHELF (YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN)

 

 
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April 16, 2008, 3:07 pm PDT

"against the law"

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Are you kidding, marijuana is against the law.  There is not a responsible healthy amount of marijuana that can be used that won't get you put in jail if you are caught.  This is the same logic a POT smoker uses.
Not necessarily. Since 1973, 12 state legislatures -- Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Ohio and Oregon -- have enacted versions of marijuana decriminalization. In each of these states, marijuana users no longer face jail time (nor in most cases, arrest or criminal records) for the possession or use of small amounts of marijuana. Internationally, many states and nations have enacted similar policies.
 
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April 16, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

04/16 Drug Troubles

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Don't be fooled parents!  Smoking pot DOES lead to pills, cocaine and heroin.  My son is living proof.  I just watched the Dr. Phil episode regarding drug addicts.  My son is a mirror image of Brad's drug addicted behavior.  Oh sure, in the beginning it was, "Oh mom, I'm only smoking weed. "  Four years later we went on the roller coaster ride of our lives involving pills, cocaine and now heroin.  This is a nightmare.  A complete and utter nightmare.  My son "thinks" he can beat this addiction on his own.  No possible way.  He claims he is taking methadone (from seedy individuals in all parts of town) to ween himself off heroin.  We can't believe him.  He has lied over and over to his family. He owes thousands of dollars to family members over the past couple of years for his addiction.  My God in heaven when will this stop?  We are a good family.  We work hard and have paid our dues.  My biggest fear is having to bury my 22  year old son over heroin.  I hate heroin.  I loathe heroin.  From the moment I wake up in the morning until I fall asleep my life is consumed with my son's addiction.  And it all started with marijuana.  Don't be fooled parents, don't be fooled!

Pot a gateway drug? Are you kidding? Why do alot of drug addicts start out on pot? Do you really think it's a good idea to jump right into crack?  Most people aren't THAT dumb.  Let me just explain my opinion.  I'm not a professional in ANY way, but nothing you can say will make me think any different.

 

When kids are experimenting at a young age, they are more prone to be doing it to go along with the crowd and fit in.  Add to that possible problems at home that could be affecting the way a child grows emotionally, and could have negative effects on the self-esteem of the user.  Now that person uses a drug which will probably make them feel better.  The young person with the negative self-esteem will continue to use, and also to possibly move on to harder things that may or may not make them feel better.  As a result, school may or may not suffer, usually it does, and all the extreme negative things that could possibly happen, likely will happen.

 

Those kids who do make it through HS by the grace of God, then may or may not go on to lead underproductive, meaningless lives, it is true that smoking marijuana makes you somewhat lazy, but if you are already prone to laziness, that is when it really has the effects.  Those people who are hard workers, and know when and how to have their fun, can lead VERY successful lives.

 

I started smoking marijuana at 20, I experimented late, and I think that was a benefit because I have a high IQ (Dr.'s told me that, I'm not bragging), and I knew the side effects of being addicted to drugs, but I also am naturally curious, and I like to find things out by personal experience as well as 'book learnin', and so I moved beyond pot...and do you know what I realized?  My self esteem was too high to even want to do those hard drugs.  They had no appeal for me, as a matter of fact, I was able to realize the negative way the 'uppers' made me feel.  So I stopped.  Now I just smoke weed.  Very often, and the only reason I think I'm gonna quit when I move in 3 months is because I don't like the negative effects smoking has on my lungs.  Every situation is different, and I am sorry your son fell into the web of addiction, if you're worried about burying him at 22, then he must have started experimenting when he was young, and it was YOUR responsibility if he was a minor in your roof to make sure he didn't get caught up in the drug scene.  And I am not trying to be insensitive to what this woman is going through (To those of you who are gonna jump on me for being a horrible person) because let me just say that had I started experimenting whern I was a teen, I'd probably be dead or in need of rehab right now.  I just wasn't "cool" enough to hang with the people who did drugs when I was in school, and I thank God NOW that I was a loser in HS.

 
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April 16, 2008, 3:09 pm PDT

YOUR FAMILY AND U ALSO NEED HELP

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Living in denial? That's what's full of crap.

Look. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH.

I'll keep living and being in "denial" and whatever but that doesn't change the fact that I know happy, HEALTHY, good, honest people who are some of the least violent and crazy people I know and yes, they smoke pot.

And no, they're not addicted because most of them go for long periods of time without it (I hear about it later) and their behavior doesn't change.

I bet that almost everyone on here has a friend that does it and they don't know.

I know of a nurse that doesn't care if her son does it because she KNOWS it doesn't affect him in a bad way. (She grew up in the era BEFORE the war on drugs, so she's not programmed to hate it. Her husband smoked all his life and she was fine with it.)

In fact, MANY people that I know that do smoke have excellent jobs AND family.

If your mom got brain damage from ONLY pot then I wonder why I can have intelligent conversations with older adults (like, 40s and 50s) who admit to doing lots of weed and even other drugs and drinking and they still speak fine.

I HAVE EVEN SEEN SOME PEOPLE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I have seen some potheads who are lazy and who do stupid stuff. Again, usually it's not even the pot, but I won't deny that pot has the possibilty (not guarantee) of someone reacting bad to it. I think it sucks, but again, not everyone can handle it.

I think that people start being violent and crazy when they use pot to COPE with stuff but amazingly, not everyone uses it for that!

Sometimes, they only smoke occasionally when they're hanging out with friends! I know people who ONLY do it when they're hanging out with friends and they're not using it to "cope with problems" and they're fine.

It's kind of like alcohol. If you use it to cope with things, it will mess you up. If you use it moderately and only to have just a little bit of fun, then that's fine. Dr Phil even said he doesn't mind if someone has a glass of wine every day. That's basically saying if you don't abuse alcohol, it's ok to have an occasional drink. So why is it that no one can have an occasional joint? Because again, I see way less trouble with people who only smoke compared to the ones who drink. Some of the drinkers get insane.

But I will never be convinced that someone is crazy and violent when they're not just because you've seen people like that.

Please, do not tell me that it's impossible for someone to be perfectly normal while also being an occasional pothead, because it is true. There is also the chance that they will abuse it, though, like alcohol.

I will NEVER be convinced that the well educated, well spoken, friendly, honest, hard working people that I know will occasionly smoke pot at ANYTHING but what I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES.

I can be convinced that some people can't handle it (it's true! some people can't!) but you won't convince me to see what's not there in someone just because you think you're a expert on weed and how it affect everyone because you know some people who use it.

If I'm in denial, then whatever. It won't change my life, or any of my friend's lives. I'll just have to suffer the agony of knowing potheads and not getting violence or insanity from them.

 YOUR MOM AND DAD ALSO NEED HELP DO YOU NOT THINK THAT DRUGS HELPS YOUR LIFE?

IT DOSENT  AND YOU ALL SO NEED THE HELP ABOUT THE DRUGS !CHILD UNDERSTAND

IT IS AS BAD FOR YOU AS BEER OR WINE OR ANYTHING.

WHERE IS YOUR MIND?

THINK ABOUT THIS WHILE YOUR MOTHER WAS ON THE DRUG WHILE PG WITH YOU IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE NOT OK WITH YOUR MIND.

YOU ALSO NEED HELP AND ASK ANY DR AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT IT REALLY DOSENT HELP.

AGAIN IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU AND FOR ANY ONE.

SO UNDERATAND AS IT IS YOU ARE NOT THE SMARTEST.

                 GET SOME HELP ABOUT THE DRUGS ASK YOUR DR CHILD.

                                                                               Cinco De Mayo 3 

 

 
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April 16, 2008, 3:12 pm PDT

Pot does not lead to schizophrenia

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  The trouble with the weed these days is comes in different forms. In Australia it can be used in a Bong and unfortunatley it can have thing added to it when smoked.  I believe this is what makes a user become violent, plus weed is Hydroponicly grown etc.  Ultomatly it ends in most users becoming mentaly ill.  this can often be permanent.  I know this becouse my son went through this and now has permanent scitsofeenia( I know that is not how you spell it). 

However, your genes, which you passed on to him at birth, is a probably cause! Nor does it lead to mental illness. Please stop your hysteria and read up on it.
 
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April 16, 2008, 3:15 pm PDT

I'm glad you took the time

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It was unfortunate that today's show had such inaccurate information regarding marijuana.

Here are a few truths - and please do not take my word for it - do some research to see for yourself!

  1. There is a distinction between substance abuse (recurrent use despite harmful consequences) and substance dependence. Substance dependence is not common among pot users (0.4 - 1.0% of users). The majority of marijuana users do not develop addiction: they do not experience loss of control; they use when they choose to, in the amounts they choose to, getting the resultsin generalthat they intend to get.
  2. There is no existing evidence of anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Tests performed on mice have shown that the ratio of cannabinoids necessary for overdose to the amount necessary for intoxication is 40,000:1. For comparison's sake, that ratio for alcohol is generally between 4:1 and 10:1. Alcohol overdoses claim approximately 5,000 casualties yearly, but marijuana overdoses kill no one as far as any official reports.
  3. Marijuana use has not been found to act as a gateway drug to the use of harder drugs. Studies show that when the Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 70's, heroin and cocaine use substantially declined, despite a slight increase in marijuana use.
  4. A compound found in cannabis (the scientific name for marijuana), CBD, has been shown (in the lab) to stop the human gene Id-1 from directing cancer cells to multiply and spread. This recent research is being studied further as a potential step towards a cure for breast cancer. Additionally, the largest study of its kind (UCLA College of Medicine) unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
  5. Scientists showed a synthetic version of the compound may reduce inflammation associated with Alzheimer's and thus help to prevent mental decline.
Equating marijuana usage with heroin or other "real" abused drugs is very unfortunate and has me questioning the quality of the other information on Dr. Phil's show. Tobacco, alcohol and even caffeine have all been show to be more addictive and have more negative side-effects.

Please spend 15 minutes doing some research on the information outlined above - just a quick search on Google will suffice - and you will see that every piece of information above is fully substantiated.

:-)
Thanks for doing the research and the writing. So many people are hysterical about this and need desperately to be educated. Thank you for your post.
 
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April 16, 2008, 3:16 pm PDT

YOU POSSIBLY ARE MISSING THE POINT

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That first story today sounded like I was hearing verbatim my son about two years ago. He started when he was 16, ended up using in the house, selling some, etc. He refused to quit using, wanted to come and go as he pleased, wanted to be allowed to use in the house and for us to just back off. He denied being addicted, of course. His mood became volatile, and we actually feared not just for his safety, but for our own. This from a child who up until marijuana came into his life had been a very easy going, wonderful son. We searched his room all the time. A fist fight between he and my husband over our not wanting him using in our house, or at all, wound them both up at the magistrates. We got him into counseling. Still he was sneaking. We ended up feeling at a loss and got the law involved. Tough love it was. We met our local police at our house where they searched him, his friends, his room and came up with a minute amount of weed and a pipe. That led to a court date which lead to mandatory, more intensive counseling, probation, random drug testing, etc. I felt like it was a decision that had to be made when we got the law involved. I thought he was either going to kill himself or someone else or would end up in jail. Now he is almost 19, finished high school, has a job and is getting ready to start college this summer. He has an apartment with a friend. His attitude is immeasurably better, though I cannot without a doubt say that he is not using anymore; I really don't know. His court case was discharged last month. We can pay to have his record expunged, which we will do to give him the best shot possible. What he does after that is on him. We have done all that we could do. I love him more than life itself and I pray that he will be smart enough to stay away. It's in God's hands which is the best place for it to be, and he will continue to be daily lifted up in prayer.

THE REASON HE SMOKES IS TEH BOTTOM LINE.  NOT THE DRUG.  WHAT IS HE NOT COPING WITH.  WHAT IS HE WANTING TO NUMB.  WE NEED TO START ENCOURAGING THAT LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL AND WE CAN HELP OTHERS OR STAY IN OUR OWN LITTLE WORLD

 

THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD REQUIRE SOME PAYMENT FOR THE EXPUNGING.  MAYBE FOR THE "PAIN AND SUFFERING".  THAT PAYMENT SHOULD BE TO HELP OTHERS.  AS WE REACH OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES WE SUDDENLY REQUIRE LESS NUMBING. 

 

WHEN WE ARE NOT SELF ACCEPTING - WE NEED A "FIX".  GET HIM TO HABITAT, KATRINA, HELP YOUTH GROUPS AT CHURCH, HELP STUDENTS LEARN, WHATEVER IT TAKES, GET HIM USING HIS GOD GIVEN TALENTS. 

 
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