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Dr. Phil continues to examine the controversial Eldorado, Texas raid where 416 children were removed from an extreme religious sect known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Hear from Eldorado Mayor John Nikolauk, who has presided over the town for 20 years. What are his greatest fears now? Then, Dr. Phil sits down with Franklin and Deloy, two members of the Lost Boys -- young men who leave the polygamous community when they reach the age of puberty. Franklin and Deloy say they had no education past the sixth grade and need help dealing with repressed emotions, especially in the wake of the Eldorado raid. How can they move on with their lives? And, the fate of the 416 children removed from the compound now rests in the hands of lawmakers. Dr. Phil speaks with Gib Walton, President of the Texas state bar and Harper Estes, President Elect of the Texas State Bar to discuss the outcome of the hearings and to sort out custody issues. Plus, find out what you can do to help these children ripped from the only lifestyle they have ever known. Join the discussion.

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May 7, 2008, 9:25 am CDT

04/23 The Lost Boys and the Children of the Compound

Quote From: kennyllc

LOL!!!

I am in no way angry and bitter about this,rather concerned and disgusted, and I don't think any non-Mormon on this board has taken me to be an angry person. I however, will chalk these replies up as just another diversionary tactic and a disinformation campaign of LDS members against informative people.

What is so funny about it though, is that you guys think you are actually GOOD AT IT !!!!'  LOL!!!!!!!

Sorry to hear you feel that way about my reply.  That is not how it was intended.
 
May 8, 2008, 6:06 am CDT

04/23 The Lost Boys and the Children of the Compound

Quote From: friendlygal

I agree to disagree.
WoW still at it!!!!!!! I thought that everyone came to the consensus, that facts are facts, but faith is not based on facts, but beliefs.
 
May 8, 2008, 10:02 am CDT

04/23 The Lost Boys and the Children of the Compound

Quote From: getrealtime

WoW still at it!!!!!!! I thought that everyone came to the consensus, that facts are facts, but faith is not based on facts, but beliefs.
Your exactly right, that's what I mean when I say we should agree to disagree. Both Kenny and I have our own facts that we feel are very real, and we will never agree on this particular issue. But you are very right when you say that faith is not based on facts, but beliefs (good reminder by the way, because it is so easy to get caught up in proving things with facts.) One thing that is interesting is even though Kenny and I and a few others have sort of "had at it" a few times, I will bet you anything there are so many other issues we DO agree on, and probably have a common bond in many other areas. I hold nothing against Kenny for the opinions shared, and have enjoyed the disscusions.
 
May 8, 2008, 11:22 am CDT

04/23 The Lost Boys and the Children of the Compound

Quote From: friendlygal

Your exactly right, that's what I mean when I say we should agree to disagree. Both Kenny and I have our own facts that we feel are very real, and we will never agree on this particular issue. But you are very right when you say that faith is not based on facts, but beliefs (good reminder by the way, because it is so easy to get caught up in proving things with facts.) One thing that is interesting is even though Kenny and I and a few others have sort of "had at it" a few times, I will bet you anything there are so many other issues we DO agree on, and probably have a common bond in many other areas. I hold nothing against Kenny for the opinions shared, and have enjoyed the disscusions.
It is a board to debate, and I'm glad you see it that way, we can always debate facts and kenny is sooooooo good at it, but faith is undebatable. lol haven't seen kenny on other boards yet!!!
 
May 9, 2008, 9:45 pm CDT

flds

Quote From: getrealtime

your right, about the moutain and jesus saying this is my church, they say there is another book about jesuses preaching, where it says do not build no walls for I am not there, that I am bound by no walls, and something like, if they build the walls tear them down. I was watching a show on the history channel. I think it was the Catholic hiding the books its being debated and look at , but its been over a year sence I watch it, so don't quote me.

 

you where a member of the FLDS? where.  if you want to talk about it, if not thats fine too, many other things to yak about.

my family were members of the flds in bountiful B.C.

They were one of the four main groups of families

Their children intermarried in the group and children from their

other wifes were married to cousins .

I was one of the lucky ones that was able to get away.

my cousin D. Palmer who wrote the book "Keep Sweet" and was

part of the making of the movies "In God's country" could tell you many

things. She at the age of 14 was married to Winston (now leader) father Ray.

I get so angry that people show concern for a short period of time then

forget the things that are happening around them because something

new comes along.All the wives will end up going back to the compound with their

children and life will continue on as it did before because no one is willing to step

up to the plate. All the husbands should be taken away and councellors and

people that can show the wives and children that there is a better life with better choices.

But they will need to be educated in the ability to help themselves. It will be a fruitless

case for the older women but the younger ones can still have a choice. Have the young men

join the forces that will really wake them up to a world way beyond the colony's

 
May 11, 2008, 7:42 am CDT

04/23 The Lost Boys and the Children of the Compound

Quote From: sfgallup

my family were members of the flds in bountiful B.C.

They were one of the four main groups of families

Their children intermarried in the group and children from their

other wifes were married to cousins .

I was one of the lucky ones that was able to get away.

my cousin D. Palmer who wrote the book "Keep Sweet" and was

part of the making of the movies "In God's country" could tell you many

things. She at the age of 14 was married to Winston (now leader) father Ray.

I get so angry that people show concern for a short period of time then

forget the things that are happening around them because something

new comes along.All the wives will end up going back to the compound with their

children and life will continue on as it did before because no one is willing to step

up to the plate. All the husbands should be taken away and councellors and

people that can show the wives and children that there is a better life with better choices.

But they will need to be educated in the ability to help themselves. It will be a fruitless

case for the older women but the younger ones can still have a choice. Have the young men

join the forces that will really wake them up to a world way beyond the colony's

At Times i wish we could ignore the consitution, But we can't. We enjoy what it insures us, and it can never be ignored. That being said, are goverment has to start standing up for the childrens consitutional rights, that are being stepped on, and stop thinking of them as property of their parents,

their indivual rights and freedom to be educated, is where they need to start!!!

 

We stick are noses into other country, why not do it here, lets make sure no ones rights are being stepped on. childrens rights are always the last to be heard.

 
May 30, 2008, 5:20 am CDT

Protection of Children is Paramount

Having been a Child Advocacy Specialist for over ten years, it is easy to have compassion for the mothers in this story, after all, they are vicitms themselves having been raised in this culture and growing up just like the young girls we now hear about.  With this said, it is important to recognize that it is the safety of these children that is paramount, not the rights of the mothers.  Until these women are able to understand what has occurred in their own lives, they are not able to protect their children.  To protect their children means they must live in this culture, go into a world that is frightening that they have never known, and create an entirely new life (working, having their children enrolled in education, meeting their children's emotional needs, etc.).  In a perfect world, the mothers and children may have been better served by staying on the ranch themselves, with all men excluded, and having mental health therapists, social workers, and those who represent the best interest of children, living with them and providing the necessary education and emotional support necessary.
 
May 30, 2008, 8:04 am CDT

I Heard Something on The News

Quote From: cw1214

Having been a Child Advocacy Specialist for over ten years, it is easy to have compassion for the mothers in this story, after all, they are vicitms themselves having been raised in this culture and growing up just like the young girls we now hear about.  With this said, it is important to recognize that it is the safety of these children that is paramount, not the rights of the mothers.  Until these women are able to understand what has occurred in their own lives, they are not able to protect their children.  To protect their children means they must live in this culture, go into a world that is frightening that they have never known, and create an entirely new life (working, having their children enrolled in education, meeting their children's emotional needs, etc.).  In a perfect world, the mothers and children may have been better served by staying on the ranch themselves, with all men excluded, and having mental health therapists, social workers, and those who represent the best interest of children, living with them and providing the necessary education and emotional support necessary.

This is coming from New York, so it was sandwiched between a family of three starved children, where neighbors did nothing, although they were aware, and the shooting of a police detective.  As such, my facts may not be straight.  I did hear that 40+ children were being sent back to the compound...and it will, I THINK THIS WAS SAID, apply to all the other children.  The CPS report Did say that even though there may have been abuse (sex with 12 and 13 year old children, with an adult...may be????) There was insufficent reason to remove, more resources could have been offered, and the COURTS overturned the CPS ruling.

Now, isn't it SUPPOSED to be that IF you are an adult, mindless of your religion, it is against our law to have sex with a 12 or a 13 year old girl.. marriage...the first may be a wife.  We do not recognize polygamy, so the "marriages" are merely rituals of choice, not civil unions. 

Am I crazy, but isn't the SEX OFFENDERS REGISTRY in place to keep predators away from young girls?  Is that selective as well?  God knows, with the inbreeding, the DNA evidence was clearly attainable...some girls actually gave birth while in CPS custody?!?!?!?  That, I did hear. 

Maybe my son-in-law who likes prepubescent children ought to start a religion where he can hide himself, and his victims under FREEDOM OF RELIGION...Maybe we can have Satanic cults and do evil things to the child rapists, and "sacrifice" them under religious freedom. 

Anyone who has read my posts knows of my contempt for CPS, and once again, I have seen what they are good for...nothing!  Oh, and those children in New York...finally were removed...three malnourished children, ages 10, 7 and 4...all in school...mandated reporters?  We are so good at talk, but we are crippled to walk the walk.  Tax parasites...CPS picks on parents who try because they are easy targets, and they let the rough riders slide...maybe because they know that the courts won't back them...I'm trying to be fair...but this whole Texas thing...when is abuse really abuse..and if there are loopholes, the pedophiles will find them.  I'm really hoping that I missed a piece of it...anyone hear more?

 

 
August 21, 2008, 6:16 am CDT

Ex Mormon Recovery

    My personal experiences after leaving the Mormon church have caused several serious issues and obstacles through my recovery. My most troublesome isuue is that the so-called loving LDS family I was raised by has turned their back on me and they are embarrassed to be associated with me. They view me as EVIL and only communicate with me out of obligation. Are there any Ex-Mormons out there going through these same things?
 
September 1, 2008, 3:20 pm CDT

CASA info

Thank you so much for including this information on your shows. I have wanted to do volunteer work for children in abusive environments without necessarily fostering them, and heard about CASA before but was never able to find a program in my community. I used your link and now am having my local info sent. I am so glad to be able to help others when I never had anyone to deliver me from the abuse I suffered.
 
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