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(Original Air Date: 04/28/08) Imagine being forced to dwell in a space that is so cluttered with junk, food and trash, you can barely walk. Nancy and her boyfriend, Bob, live this nightmare every day. In their two homes, flies and plastic containers fill the kitchen, moldy food is stuffed in four refrigerators, and boxes and plastic bags litter the house. The two youngest children sleep on the same couch in the living room, because one's bedroom is cluttered, and the other child doesn't even have a bedroom! Nancy, a former nurse, admits to being an extreme hoarder, but how did she and Bob, a former corporate attorney, allow their lives to degenerate to this chaotic clutter? Their home is trashed, and they're in debt $100,000. Could other issues be contributing to the chaos in the house as well? Hear from the three children, 16, 11 and 9, who are trapped in this mess. Are Nancy and Bob finally ready to rescue their family from the rubble before the kids' lives are ruined forever? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 29, 2008, 1:41 pm PDT

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Does anyone else think that woman had a very strange affect?  She was showing her home, the filthy kitchen, the dog urine soaked towels, the rotting food and grocery bags in the floor, yet she had that odd little smile on her face.  I kept thinking, this woman is stoned, or drugged or drunk.  How could she smile in that disgusting place, knowing that the entire country would be seeing how she has forced her children and pets to live like that?  A normal person would be sobbing.  Yet, throughout the show and the films she kept a little smile on her face, as if the disgusting mess was just a little quirky, almost dear, or cute.  It was bizarre to me. 

Does anyone else think that woman was drugged? 

Yes I was wondering why this woman wore such a look of glee on her face. She must have been drunk, but she wasn't stumbling around or anything so maybe it was pain killers this time.

 

Her house had to've smelt like something died inside of it with all the rotting food and animal feces and all this woman could to was grin for the camera? Rotting food STINKS!!! One time my sister's fridge broke and there as a frozen turkey in it and by the time they got home from work the whole house was just reeking of the spoiled meat. She had to get a whole new fridge cuz that smell never went away no matter how much we scrubbed it out.

 

The freezers this lady keeps are completely ruined. Then she gets a whole new refridgerator to ruin...FOR FREE!!!!

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:00 pm PDT

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!

Dr. Dr. Phil.

I am very upset about your show on April 28, 2008 Here are two people who have been lucky enough to be highly educated, and this is what they do. I am not with out caring & compassion, but PLEASE.

I am known for giving the shirt off my back to anyone who needs it.

 

I was also hooked on perocet given to me by a doctor (I did not steal them) I was given them by a doctor who turned to be a quack and got off them myself  (after 6 years). And had surgery.

 

I bought a house for all of us,  in  the town my mother wanted ,so she could have somewhere decent to live. one house not 2.

In the mean time tim. I took care of 1 rotten sperm donor, my elderly hanndicapped mother, and a teenage daughter, and ran my own business. 

This poor lady has had so many things happen to her, or did she happen to so many things, by her own choice.(She was a nurse).

 

I was also molested for 4  years (7-11) and had nobody to turn to.

My mother past last june in a nursing home i had to put her in as a result of the sperm donor not helping out and if she fell he left her on the floor until someone came home. I went into a big depression lost customers because I was afraid to leave the house, as something else might happen.

In addition to this he would hit my daughter, chased her with a kinfe, it was terrible. She moved out.

& on top of all this to get him out of my house I had to go to court & give him 7 thousand dollars to leave.

IT WAS MY HOUSE!!! I fed him,clothed him housed him for $0

But lets get back to her boy friend the drunk, my husband is a friend of Bill W'S & for 5 years, I can tell you if he ever tried to hit me I would remember what my mother used to say "they have to sleep sometime" but thank God he's not anything like that. 

 

As a result of losing my mother, my friend ,I am in counsling, which means no money coming in from , its hard.

 

My point is everyone has their problems, but not everyone creates theirs and for you to reward them past help with counsling I think is wrong unless you want to do that for everyone.

I am so embarressed that I have racing stipes on my ceiling I don't let anyone in. I can"t afford a painter.

 

So, if Your group & ( Lowe's) feels like giving to another person that needs help, I could use a floor, cabinets, and a bathroom, and a painter.

I have never written to anyone like this before but it just hit me that the ones that try get nowhere but if your a screw up you get everything.

 

Thanks for listening

 

Stella 

 
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April 29, 2008, 2:26 pm PDT

I agree!!

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This was exactly my reaction to this situation!! Here is a person with a history of drug abuse, driving on the roads drunk, making her children live in filth, and she gets a new kitchen!!!! What's up with that! Rewarding her for her bad behavior! My husband asked me, "I wonder how long it would take to fill our house up, so we can get a new kitchen!" Unbelievable!
Her problem is much, much deeper and much more serious than what we have seen on the show. I just hope that Dr.Phil provides her with a more substantial and more extensive therapy as she is a sick woman.

Extreme hoarding, alcoholism and drug addiction are all diseases. To my opinion she fits all three descriptions.

The ones who really need the help even more are the poor children. Hopefully, somewhere along the way the children will be taken care of and without any after-effects...
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:30 pm PDT

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yeah it did, that was a bad choice of words for her wasnt it, you know what? i think the next time all of my family comes home to visit and i havent had a chance to clean up im gunna tell them im learning to hoard  lol,
I'll tell you what ~ when I saw her house it made me feel a whole lot better about not having mopped my kitchen floor lately... lol!
 
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April 29, 2008, 2:35 pm PDT

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Yes I was wondering why this woman wore such a look of glee on her face. She must have been drunk, but she wasn't stumbling around or anything so maybe it was pain killers this time.

 

Her house had to've smelt like something died inside of it with all the rotting food and animal feces and all this woman could to was grin for the camera? Rotting food STINKS!!! One time my sister's fridge broke and there as a frozen turkey in it and by the time they got home from work the whole house was just reeking of the spoiled meat. She had to get a whole new fridge cuz that smell never went away no matter how much we scrubbed it out.

 

The freezers this lady keeps are completely ruined. Then she gets a whole new refridgerator to ruin...FOR FREE!!!!

I thought there was something very weird about how she was trying to make light of everything ~ like she was trying to normalize it somehow.  The thing is, you just can't normalize rotting flesh and feces all over your house, especially with kids running around. She seemed kinda proud of the way it had occurred to her to put food in those picnic coolers outside ~ it reminded me a lot of anorexics or other kinds of addicts when they are on talk shows divulging their tricks.

 

She definitely seemed out of it on the show.  And she doesn't deserve a new fridge unless she learns how to take care of it.  The kind of damage that woman does ~ a box of baking soda just won't solve it.

 
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April 29, 2008, 3:12 pm PDT

Family history of hoarding

 I haven't heard much mention of this being passed from generationto generation but that is true in my case. I remember my mother and grandmother cleaning out my great grandparents home when I was a child. And when my grandmother died the job fell to my husband and I. But my mother is the absolute worst. Her home is not only filthy (the other two were just filled with lots of stuff) but she hoards animals as well. And I don't mean just dogs and cats, but horses and goats as well. She has also kept sheep, chickens, ducks, and turkeys but they have all died over the years. Her property is an unbelievable mess both inside the house and out. There has been no hot water in the house for two years and she cannot even take a shower. She is 78 years old and I know this will all fall on my husband and I in just a few short years. We have tried repeatedly to help her but it always backfires and gets worse. She actually seems proud of the fact that things are so bad. I know that seems unbelievable but that may be what some of you saw on yesterday's show when Nancy was smirking while she talked about her filthy mess. My mother also gets very defensive and feels it is a personal attack when I mention trying to help her. It is truly a mental disorder and extremely difficult for family members to deal with.
It has been enlightening to read so many posts about others who are dealing with a similar situation. My heart goes out to all who have to deal with this serious problem.
 
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April 29, 2008, 4:31 pm PDT

Please do not generalize about nurses!!!

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Hi, I'm working as a patient care tech and going to nursing school...and what I'm seeing is really frightening. We all work 12-hour shifts and each of us do the physical/emotional/mental tasks of several people in those 12 hours. On most shifts, I don't even have time to go to the bathroom. From what I've seen, many nurses are fried within six months of passing their boards. I've had several of them tell me to leave school and do something else while I still had my health, sanity and sense. These are good, caring people who went into nursing for the right reasons, and then had the compassion driven right out of them. Even before I saw on this program that the hoarder was a nurse, I figured she was in the profession. Several of my co-workers drive cars that are so full of fast food trash that they can't even roll down their windows. They're embarrassed about it (and no, they aren't homeless) but seem too worn out/burned out to care about anything.

 

Caregivers are notorious for not taking good care of themselves. I was a paramedic for more than a decade before going to nursing school, and the same thing happens in EMS. We finally make it home after a tough shift, flop onto our beds, and just stop giving a damn. When you have to wake up again in 12 hours and start another shift, why bother? Healthcare providers in this insurance-driven age are put through living hell. Most of the nurses I work with are taking some type of antidepressant and need Ambien to fall asleep at the end of their shift. Painkiller addictions are not unusual for healthcare providers who have access to them. Most of us have injured our backs/knees/shoulders/name-the-joint, and employee health gives out painkillers like candy to numb the pain so they can get us back to work quick (often without doing much for the injury, itself).

 

I haven't given up on nursing (and like many nurses, I've already invested too much $$$ to quit). But I'm also seeing the real-world beyond my books, and it's little wonder that people don't stay in the profession. Many people doing clinical care often work in extremes, and the lady on this show is no exception...she's got some real issues with hanging onto things. Sounds like for the longest time, all her stuff was ALL she had left to hang onto.

 

 

I am a nurse. I have been a nurse for over 30 years (O.R. 7y and E.R. 26y). I am embarrassed and appalled at what you are saying about nurses!!!!!!

"Caregivers are notorious for not taking good care of themselves:

I have NEVER, EVER, EVER heard such a statement in the medical field. On the contrary, very often healthcare professionals are over cautious and even almost "neat freaks" (of course you will find the odd ones like everywhere else).

"Painkiller addictions are not unusual for healthcare providers who have access to them."

How can you even make such a GENERALIZED statement..!!!!! You seem to imply that MOST/LOTS of people that work in the healthcare field are using painkillers. In my career I have seen, and up to this day, VERY FEW healthcare professionals that were abusing either drugs or narcotics (yes there were some) but it is NOT the majority, it is the EXCEPTION. The ones that had a problem did loose their license

As for the pills, well..... who never took a sleeping pill occasionally when it is needed or called for. Doctors and nurses that work the night shift (especially) and try to sleep during daytime and in the summer particularly, when it is noisy outside (even with the windows closed), there is nothing wrong with that (just like any other people working the night shift). BTW as you must know, now in hospitals or any healthcare facilities the medication is closely managed and accounted for.

"Most of the nurses I work with are taking some type of antidepressant and need Ambien to fall asleep at the end of their shift. "

However, for you to state that" MOST " of the nurses are taking antidepressant medication is even more appalling, false, embarrassing to us nurses and shows your lack of judgment.

If you are already complaining and whining about your job(you haven't even finished your nursing training as of yet)what will it be in the long run..... WOW!!!!!

As for your co-workers if they are "FRIED" after 6 months, MAYBE... they are not in the right place.

Yes the healthcare profession is very difficult and you don't always find the gratification that you should but it is part of the job. In order to succeed and to be happy in it you have to be VERY dedicated, strong(physically and emotionally) and to LOVE it!!!!!!!

Now to get back to the subject of the show.. this lady "Nancy" in my opinion is sick and definitely needs help. I just hope that Dr. Phil provides her with extensive therapy. These poor children need to have a healthy household as well as a healthy mom. The road will be a long one. BTW she just happened to be a nurse who is with an attorney.

You will find hoarders in every range of society.

I wish them good-luck!
 
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April 29, 2008, 4:54 pm PDT

I agree

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Does anyone else think that woman had a very strange affect?  She was showing her home, the filthy kitchen, the dog urine soaked towels, the rotting food and grocery bags in the floor, yet she had that odd little smile on her face.  I kept thinking, this woman is stoned, or drugged or drunk.  How could she smile in that disgusting place, knowing that the entire country would be seeing how she has forced her children and pets to live like that?  A normal person would be sobbing.  Yet, throughout the show and the films she kept a little smile on her face, as if the disgusting mess was just a little quirky, almost dear, or cute.  It was bizarre to me. 

Does anyone else think that woman was drugged? 
I thought she acted extremely drunk -- like booze mixed with muscle relaxers or pain killers. The goofy smile, slurred speech. Her and her "boyfriend" make quite a pair.
 
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April 29, 2008, 5:14 pm PDT

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I'll tell you what when I saw her house it made me feel a whole lot better about not having mopped my kitchen floor lately... lol!
i know what you mean  lol i been cleaning moms floors and taking care of things that broke while i was out of town working lol this show really made me look at just how fast a person cal louse control of their priorities, i been working on a friends auto shop trying to repair the roof after a tornado hit it 6 weeks ago, i hate leaving as my mom is 76 yrs old been through cancer treatment a year ago and has a heart condition, my 19 yr old son lives with us so at least she has not been alone, he looks after her house for me while I'm gone but thers only so much he can do on his own, we been poor all our lives but never in my life have any of us lived like those poor children were having to live like, god my heart goes out to them, i am apposed to family and children services getting involved as i know what kind of people in most areas are arable to take the children in and in most cases the children end up being split up, i feel that would devastate them even more had that happened, often when children are placed in foster card they think they have done something wrong and when i heard  Dr Phil ask her why she told those children she was going to give them away kidding or not i saw pure red, I'm like this sick or not you just do not tell children things like that, a beating is easer to forget than words of that magnitude that was what prompted me to say she needs her rear tore out of the frame, man those children are so precious, we never know until we louse one just how precious they really are, and as a mother she owes it to the children to keep them in a clean and safe environment no ifs ands or buts, as long as she is able to walk hold a beer in her hands drive a car after drinking she is damn well able to clean a house i feel, i my self used drugs for many years and i never let my house get any where near the mess she let 2 houses get in her house Dr Phil's staff had to enter was way beyond messy it was a hazardous waste site, they really should have had it condemned, as a former nurse she knew she was in trouble and she owed it to the children to seek help on her own instead of waiting and having a neighbor force her to get Dr Phil's help, so far she is the only one my focus hes been on, i have not yet begun to unload on bob on probation, thats a piss poor excuse to me as well, bob did the best thing by sitting there and waiting until Dr Phil had to pry a answer from his mouth, i was raised in a way that a child comes first even if it means i do not eat my child will. Dr Phil doing this show got me off my rear and got my bed made after the show  lol as for the rest of the chores i do them as fast as possible, moms trash gets taken out daily i cant stand the smell of rubbish so i do not wait to smell it, that house well i just don't know, i would not want to live in it even if its a million dollar house, i prefer moms Mobile home, its home and clean and its hers.
 
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April 29, 2008, 5:20 pm PDT

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This was exactly my reaction to this situation!! Here is a person with a history of drug abuse, driving on the roads drunk, making her children live in filth, and she gets a new kitchen!!!! What's up with that! Rewarding her for her bad behavior! My husband asked me, "I wonder how long it would take to fill our house up, so we can get a new kitchen!" Unbelievable!
 i think it would depend on how big your house is and how filthy you and your husband are, but if i were you i would not tell the people here on Dr Phil.com about it they will talk really bad about you and your husband for a long time to come.
 
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