Topic : 07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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(Original Air Date: 04/28/08) Imagine being forced to dwell in a space that is so cluttered with junk, food and trash, you can barely walk. Nancy and her boyfriend, Bob, live this nightmare every day. In their two homes, flies and plastic containers fill the kitchen, moldy food is stuffed in four refrigerators, and boxes and plastic bags litter the house. The two youngest children sleep on the same couch in the living room, because one's bedroom is cluttered, and the other child doesn't even have a bedroom! Nancy, a former nurse, admits to being an extreme hoarder, but how did she and Bob, a former corporate attorney, allow their lives to degenerate to this chaotic clutter? Their home is trashed, and they're in debt $100,000. Could other issues be contributing to the chaos in the house as well? Hear from the three children, 16, 11 and 9, who are trapped in this mess. Are Nancy and Bob finally ready to rescue their family from the rubble before the kids' lives are ruined forever? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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July 3, 2008, 9:50 pm PDT

Is There a Line?

I'm wondering if the problem is hoarding or organization.

  You know you could have a neat garage full of 'stuff' and that's fine, but if you  just throw it in that isn't.

When we needed to build a home with no money our 'hoarder' neighbor had everything we needed to do it with .  How many years had he had that stuff?  But we came along and used it. 

 

That's the problem no one recycles.

 

There are lines and you have to draw them.  But it's all so personal.

 
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July 4, 2008, 7:15 pm PDT

07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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I agree!! OCD is an anxiety disorder that has both obsessions and compulsions-some people are completly about order or are germ- a- phobes. There is something known as OCPD which involves an inflexible character and I wonder if this woman could be diagnosed with both. Actually this woman has many problems-as a therapist we dignose on a five axis scale. It could be argued that she has clinical depression, OCD, alcoholism and even ADD on one level but on a deeper level (personality) there could be other diagnosis. Hoarding is a manifestation of  OCD and it is one example of what the symptoms of this disorder can be. However, most people with OCD are NOT hoarders. 

Thank you very much for that acknowledgment! I hate the idea of everybody assuming that if you have OCD that you are automatically a hoarder or that you have no control over your life. It's offensive! I have always been very forthcoming about my issues and after this I feel like maybe I won't be quite so open anymore. I also believe that people that live in the manner of the family that was portrayed on the show have much deeper issues then just a case of OCD. You have cleared some of this up and I do appreciate it.

Sincerely, Jewels 

 
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July 5, 2008, 6:11 am PDT

Wealthy hording

I realize that hoarding is a serious thing and that it comes from depression and a mental state of mind which is caused from a trauma of life and I know that everyone can fall victim to this. 

 

My issue is this . . .

 

The family in this situration need serious help no question but they had financial means to get their "homes" into a better, cleaner environment.  These people need to have coucelling, no question there, to resolve their issue to be able to overcome their hoarding and they even need help in having the mess cleaned up.  My issue is the cost.  Dr. Phil had Lowes donate all new counter tops and new appliances to these families.  The family in this situation had TWO homes, a condo and a large family dwelling, that were under great disarray.  I don't understand why these people could not afford to redo their homes themselves.  There are families that are lucky to put food on the table and yet these families hoard things and get to have a new home.  They get things remodeled and clean and their old items replaced.  There are families who have nothing.  We live in a very small apartment and do not get the luxuries that this family had of having two homes.  And then they get them remodeled at no expence to them. 

 

I am not a hoarder and my house is far from organized and I haven't had what you would call an easy life but I am being held accountable for my actions.  Who's to say that they have their homes all taken care of and then they just make it a mess again.  They haven't put any money into their situation so its not their money going to waste.  Its like a child who finally realized the value of a dollar and starts to respect his belongings because he purchased them himself.  Who's to say these people will care what happens to this homes.  Dr. Phil will just come back and clean it up again, no biggy. 

 

I commend you for helping these people but make them accountable to their actions at some point.  And why are all the people on you show in a better then most situation financially or people with down right nothing.  Do you never help the families who are in the working poor class?  Oh yeah I forgot there is no such thing to others who have the money in the first place.  We are just swept under the rug just like in the polictical eyes as well.

 
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July 7, 2008, 4:43 pm PDT

Hoarders

I never get to come home and watch Dr. Phil because I have to work.  I happened to get home from work the day that this show aired.  I am outraged.  Not everything is a "sickness" that needs to be rewarded.  I have already written Lowe's.  These two people are drunks and pigs.  They own two homes! I am suppose to feel sorry for two people who have enough money to drink and buy junk that they can hoard. I am working 10 hour days because my husband lost his job 6 months ago and he is having a terrible time trying to find work.  I work 10 hour days, manage to clean my house, including my kitchen with cabinets that are falling apart and appliances that are on their last legs.  I even make sure my trash is out.  It has been a week and I am still talking to people about this.  I work for a construction company and told the owner about this.  Our company will not be buying supplies from Lowe's anymore.  I have spoken to several independent contractors who will not be buying from Lowe's. If Dr. Phil really wants to "help" these people, send someone in that will assist them in cleaning-up  their dirt-I mean help them not do it for them. Their children should be taken away until they get that dirty mess cleaned-up.  Helping them does not mean that Lowe's should not go in and award them for being drunken pigs.  The poor children are the only victims.
 
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July 7, 2008, 8:24 pm PDT

At my wits end.......help.

My wife's grandfather passed away about 15 years ago. We were living in Phoenix at the time. Two years later, her grandmother, realizing that she couldn't take care of their big house alone, asked us to move back to California and live with her. We agreed and so we packed up our lives and moved to Orange County. We got here to discover that every room and the garage in this house were filled to capacity with junk. Newspapers, cardboard boxes etc etc. Grandma has not thrown anything away for at least 50 years. Cupboards full of junk junk junk. Her bed is covered in junk. There are "goat trails" in her bedroom. You can't even get into the garage from the front of the house and from the inside you can only get to the clothes washer and dryer via a got trail. We had the upstairs rooms re carpeted at one point and at that time we cleaned out grandma's room. I looked in her closet and she even still had grandpa's clothes in there. It had been 10 years since he had passed away. Isn't that a little unhealthy? Her room is now back to the point before we carpeted. Piled 5 feet high! I had to start cutting 2 litre cola bottles so that she wouldn't save them to "water the plants with". I know that how she is living and making us live in it with her, is VERY unhealthy for all three of us. I try to get rid of things but grandma won't let me. Her grand daughter (my wife) has so much respect for her that she can't throw anything of hers away either! I'm afraid that my wife and I are going to get into trouble because of "senior abuse" or something and that we'll be blamed for not taking it into our (my) own hands and cleaning up the house. I don't know what to do. It has been the subject of some pretty serious fights between the three of us. I've walked out on my wife and had to seriously get my head back together to get me to drive back home and end up apologizing and getting absolutely no compromise from grandma. Someone please help.
 
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July 8, 2008, 1:43 pm PDT

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I was offended by this persons statement because it basically stated that women are the one who need to learn to keep the house clean. Men need to learn the same skills too. My husband (luckily) is capable of taking very good care of himself, laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. Since he works away so much he has to. But since many men live alone they need the skills too. Plus, the idea that the little woman is the housekeeper is extremely antiquated. Isn't this supposed to be the era of equal opportunity?
I think everyone needs to learn, and practice, basic house-keeping skills. Unless they'd rather starve to death in filthy house!
 
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July 8, 2008, 2:49 pm PDT

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Dear Dr. Phil,

 

I'm a sporatic watcher, not a consistent one.  When I heard the topic of todays' show I resolved to watch the full program.  It was hard to watch.  Am I a hoarder?  Yes, to some degree but I couldn't touch the depth of todays lady.  I do admit to considerable clutter though none of it is food.  Mostly books, magazines and unfinished projects.

 

I haven't always agreed with some of your solutions but do feel you care about your guests and a productive, successful outcome.  For nearly 20 years I was a renter in a property owned by my brother.  He stopped by one day without calling and the house was not up to muster.  His first comment was, you need to get this place cleaned up.  I did start working on it with the help of my daughter and one of my sister-in-laws but it wasn't going fast enough for him.  Approximately a week later he stopped by again and announced that the following Saturday I was to find somewhere else to be because he was recruiting my other siblings (I'm one of eight) and having a dumpster delivered and they would be clearing out the apartment.  It's amazing what was missing when I returned to my apartment.  Come to find out he had a deadline because he was putting the house up for sale.  No I was not told there was a deadline or about the sale.  I really went into a slump after that.

 

I have been a high school business teacher now for over 25 years.  Currently 58.  No excuses here just information, in 1998 I had the my second of two strokes.  I had a very poor doctor at the time and ended up retreating into a depression I was never warned about.  I was admitted to the hospital on a Monday, stayed four days, discharged Friday and returned to work on the following Monday.  I had asked when I could return to work and was told "When you feel up to it." 

 

Feeling up to working had no part in it; I was brought up with a very strong work ethic.  You have a responsibility to be at work and if not you better be on your death bed.  No other reason to miss work.

 

Needless to say, I experienced considerable difficulty upon my return to work.  Three weeks later I made an appointment to sit down with the neurologist that attended me while in the hospital.  I conveyed my difficulties:  (1) memory loss (2) physical and emotional exhaustion (3) constant and increasing anxiety and stress levels (4) considerable confusion.  I was too tired when I got home to do housework and was literally sleeping all weekend just so I could make it through the next week.  When I asked him what I could do about it his response was, "Get over it!"  I think back now and wish I still had some of my youth brass.

 

My parents, God bless them, have both passed and where children of the depression years. . . nothing was ever thrown out if there was a slight chance it would be useful later.  BUT the house was always neat and organized so how did I end up like this?

 

I believe I can attribute my clutter to my extended levels of anxiety and depresssion and health issues (as noted above plus Type II diabetic, severe sleep apnea (awake 43 times per hour average) now have a CPap to use and am on 90 mg Cymbalta daily.  What do you think?  I have no interest in becoming a show participant but would welcome a brief response if you can find the time.

 

I'm currently on summer vacation and will check periodically to see if you have any words of wisdom for me.

 

Chris

 

 

In response to Chris: About three months after radiation treatments for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma were completed, I had an extreme anxiety attack at work. I really thought that I was going to die because I had so much trouble breathing. I had no history of anxiety attacks; therefore, I did not know what was happening. Medical professionals failed to tell me that I had dealt with the physical part of the cancer, but not the emotional part of it. It's unfortunate that your doctor was uncompassionate with you. I was working in a demanding, high-profile job and felt as if I couldn't take anymore time off. In hindsite, I found out that taking a little more time off could have helped a lot, if it would have been in conjunction with counselling. After a long process, my philosophy has become that I can't change what happened before, I can only go forward from this minute on--I can only influence the future. 

 

My conclusion about my hoarding issues is that it stemmed from several decades of criticism for a whole spectrum of decisions. The criticism would typically come from those who confessed to care and/or love me--which, of course, impacted my phsyche. I would basically become immobilized to 'cleanse' my environment, in order to avoid criticism that would definitely follow.

 

There has been many  devastations in the United States. I began to think about the chance of something happening to my "things". So, I am now on a mission to de-clutter to the point of enjoying a more spacious living environment, along with the "things" that are most precious to me, such as family photos.

 

De-cluttering and putting a stop to hoarding starts with a mental process that we are capable of doing, with the help of other resources, i.e. books, Internet, friends, family.

 

Don't give up--get the emotional support you need and de-clutter your life. You will be glad that you did!

 

justmyangle.  

 
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July 8, 2008, 3:32 pm PDT

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My mother was always but it got worse after my dad passed away when I was grown.  It was so bad there were most of the rooms in her house you could not even enter.  I feel sad for those children in that situation.  I always remember cleaning when my mother was at work.  I felt responsible for my mother.  My dad and I tried through things away when she would bring things home from work.  It was horrible.  I think she must have had OCD.  I don't think any child should have to live in a situation like that.  It's better to take them out of the home until the parents is ready to receive ongoing therapy and medication. I keep pictures of my mother's house to this day, 10 years after the last time we cleaned it up to remind myself how bad it was so I won't ever get that bad. It truly is very sad.
I grew up in the same type of household. When I was nine, my grandma passed away and my mom got really depressed. The hoarding began after my brother and I left. Her house is so cluttered and I have asked her to get help so many times and she won't. There aren't many people I can talk to because she doesn't want anyne to know!! It's a terrible way to live.
 
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July 9, 2008, 10:52 am PDT

07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

Regarding the Hoarder...........with 3 victim children.......

I watched this show for the second time(re-run) and wound up madder than the first time.

Dr, Phil....are you kidding????

Enough with the  theraputic nice...... This woman is wayyyyyyyyy more than an addictive personality....she is a selfish, narcissistic, self indulgent ,spiteful ,child neglector and abusor.who is focused on an agenda that has 1 item.......HERSELF.

My heart ached for that little boy  ..... How could you put his face on TV?

Nevermind her whinning,,,,nevermind the boyfriend..... nevermind the 'long term goals'

GET THAT CHILD OUT OF THAT ENVIORNMENT>>>>>>>until you can find him a parent.....You

started on this...........follow through .

 
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July 10, 2008, 6:59 pm PDT

Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

    When it comes to hoarding. Obviously the junk just doesn't pile up by itself. Someones gotta clean it up.........
 

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